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Old November 30, 2014, 12:13 PM
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Lets compare apple to apple.....

This year we lost to Afganistan and HongKong purely due to captaincy. There was a point in the game when we were in control in the game, then opponent start attacking and the bowlers panicked and the captain failed to lead and take control of the situation (by bowler rotation, field placement, etc)

Now see the 4th ODI against Zim. The game was in our control. And then Taylor and Mire start attacking and the bowlers panicked. The difference is: Mashrafee showed leadership and took control of the situation (by bowler rotation, field placement, etc).

The quality of leadership was obvious to me.
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Old November 30, 2014, 12:30 PM
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No we didn't lose to Afg and HK because of bad captaincy. That's just silly. The whole team played terrible. We won many matches under Mushy and this wasn't only due to good captaincy, either.

And, no, Mash isn't a superman. There is hardly any difference between him and Mushy. In fact, in this ODIs Mushy was clearly setting the field and Mash was consulting Shakib, Mushy and Tamim considerably which isn't a bad thing in itself.
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Old November 30, 2014, 12:36 PM
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No we didn't lose to Afg and HK because of bad captaincy. That's just silly. The whole team played terrible. We won many matches under Mushy and this wasn't only due to good captaincy, either.

And, no, Mash isn't a superman. There is hardly any difference between him and Mushy. In fact, in this ODIs Mushy was clearly setting the field and Mash was consulting Shakib, Mushy and Tamim considerably which isn't a bad thing in itself.
Well We both watched the game and We seem to disagree in this issue.

Under pressure Rahim, the captain also panicked with the team and showed no leadership skill in the team. A captain is not only there to lead under rosy time and hide under the hood when things goes wrong with the excuse players played bad.. specially when we are playing against much inferior teams.
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Old November 30, 2014, 12:49 PM
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Its just wrong to expect a Imran Khan or Steve Waugh type captain from Bangladesh so soon. We just have to wait a few more years. In the meantime, we have to make merry with HaBa, Mushy or Mash kinds. No point moaning and whining 24/7. It won't create a better captain.
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Old November 30, 2014, 01:07 PM
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Its not that we comparing mushi with Imran Khan and therefore doing unfair comparison. I am comparing him with mashrafee. Mashrafee so far have shown promise and hope as a captain where Rahim (as captain) showed frustration and no-hope over time.

When you have better alternative available (Mashrafee and Sakibh for example), to me its perfectly ok to moan and whine as a fan until the change is made.

And I am so glad the current management made that change.
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Old November 30, 2014, 02:11 PM
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Yet, Mushy is the most successful captain to date? Okay, I concede ChockMock Sen is better than Mushy as a captain. Hope you feel better now.
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Old November 30, 2014, 02:16 PM
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Yet, Mushy is the most successful captain to date? Okay, I concede ChockMock Sen is better than Mushy as a captain. Hope you feel better now.
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Did you again start smoking (you know what) ?
When you are sober, please re-read what your shagred is trying to tell.
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Old November 30, 2014, 02:38 PM
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Did you again start smoking (you know what) ?
When you are sober, please re-read what your shagred is trying to tell.
Your posts are increasingly getting thoughtless, tasteless and classless. In turn, the trash-o-metre is shooting rocket high. I will treat your "contributions" as such in the future.
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Old November 30, 2014, 04:23 PM
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Mushys captaincy lost us the ODI series against Sri Lanka which started the confidence drop down. His captaincy is also responsible for losing us the game against Pakistan. Its always a failure of the captain when you cant defend 320+ runs against a team that cannot chase anything over 270 at any conditions. Bowlers were poor sure. But he didnt rotate them properly either. I wont say Mash as a captain could have won us those matches but a better captain would sure have made the difference
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Mushys captaincy lost us the ODI series against Sri Lanka which started the confidence drop down. His captaincy is also responsible for losing us the game against Pakistan. Its always a failure of the captain when you cant defend 320+ runs against a team that cannot chase anything over 270 at any conditions. Bowlers were poor sure. But he didnt rotate them properly either. I wont say Mash as a captain could have won us those matches but a better captain would sure have made the difference
agree 100% I love Mortaza, he is such a Tiger in all departments of the game by the grace of the Almighty. Mortaza is such a boss. I love how he rotates bowlers per situation, I also loved how he is so proactive, thinking captain(good example of how he backed up Jubair Hossain even after he got a spanking and eventually Jubair got a crucial breakthrough in the 4th ODI against Zimbabwe recently). I wish him all the best for future and hopefully he can stay fit as captain for a very long time.

Zimbabwe definitely put some pressure on us in a few games, arguably whether Zimbabwe collapsed or Smart captaincy from Mash, we can argue and debate these points all day, but the reality is it is a little bit of both.
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Lets compare apple to apple.....

This year we lost to Afganistan and HongKong purely due to captaincy. There was a point in the game when we were in control in the game, then opponent start attacking and the bowlers panicked and the captain failed to lead and take control of the situation (by bowler rotation, field placement, etc)

Now see the 4th ODI against Zim. The game was in our control. And then Taylor and Mire start attacking and the bowlers panicked. The difference is: Mashrafee showed leadership and took control of the situation (by bowler rotation, field placement, etc).

The quality of leadership was obvious to me.
Agree. If we were in that Mushfiq-Shane Jurgensen era, who knows we might have thrown the game.

Its not just the on the field captaincy/decision making that was hurting us. Remember even off the field, some players had too much power, the heart-soul, commitment wasnt there. Mushfiq also often complained about lack of support of seniors, meaning such guys often werent giving their best for him.

Mashrafee on the other hand is different story. You may let Mushfiq down, but as a player you will not want to let Mashrafee down. A person who has come back so many times from so many severe operations has to have spirit and guts, and this will rub on to the others. Even if Mashrafee is no better than Mushfiq as a tactician, you can certainly expect them to be braver, more committed.
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positive with mash is the confidence he gives to the pace bowlers. He had only two specialist spinners yet managed them exceptionally well. Mushfiq is simply into bringing on a spinner when things look bad.

Mash kept some overs for shakib for the death overs and gave overs to jubair and rubel despite going for runs. Mushfiq would rather have continued with momin and sabbir and helping us lose the match.

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Old December 1, 2014, 09:01 AM
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Your posts are increasingly getting thoughtless, tasteless and classless. In turn, the trash-o-metre is shooting rocket high. I will treat your "contributions" as such in the future.
look who is talking about loss of sense of humor (in other thread) and thoughtless comments (in this thread and the main topic discussion).
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