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Old February 16, 2013, 12:40 AM
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^he didn't say anything bad about Marshall Ayub...
I didn't say that he did either
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Old February 16, 2013, 05:24 PM
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^Why would you say that? Have you seen a lot of him before?
I've watched him a few times. He looks like a player that's a slow starter which should rule him out for the T20 format. Also from what I've seen, he's shaky against pace. There's a reason why he's been overlooked all these years. I thought Shabbir is a much better prospect for the national team than Ayub. That's what I meant that he's not a big time talent. Of course we can't ignore the fact that he's scored big runs in FC cricket and should be on the radar.
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Old February 24, 2013, 11:08 AM
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He should have been born left handed then Akram and Co. wont be able to give an excuse to leave him out of the team
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Old February 24, 2013, 11:40 AM
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Yes Marshall, you bat with the wrong hand, shame on you!
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Old February 24, 2013, 01:14 PM
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He should have been born left handed then Akram and Co. wont be able to give an excuse to leave him out of the team
That is an amateur excuse from Akram. Usually works well in my amateur club when I pick the best 11 for my team.

But then again I understand; if in Akram's eyes Mominul shows more potential than Marshall, then one cannot blame him. Sometimes you just have to go with the player with better technique and the potential to deliver instead of stats from the BD division.

I have not seen Marshall Ayub bat so cannot say how good he is technically but whatever little I saw of Mominul (the lefty Bulbul) I liked; so he gets my vote. But yes, you must feel sorry for Marshall, he did what anyone can possibly do; his best with the opportunity given. I hope he works even harder and shows his mettle. Good luck to him.
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Old February 24, 2013, 01:54 PM
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Yes Marshall, you bat with the wrong hand, shame on you!
Also plays for the wrong city !

Oh, I've got a better conspiracy theory :

With all these uprising at Shahbag against Pakistani dalal's, Akram chachchu was scared of selecting a player named Marshall Ayub, in case he might get the wrath of The Hasina and the Chagus (ChatroLeague Gundas).

If that isnt the case, I really can't figure out how the chart topper in both NCL and BCL this season gets overlooked for Jahurul Islam, who scored half of what Marshall has done in both the tournaments. !!
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Old February 24, 2013, 02:05 PM
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If that isnt the case, I really can't figure out how the chart topper in both NCL and BCL this season gets overlooked for Jahurul Islam, who scored half of what Marshall has done in both the tournaments. !!
The contest was not between Jahurul and Marshall though. Jahurul is taken as a backup top order batsman, where we don't have many options to consider.

The contest was between Momin and Marshal for a middle order position, and the captain and the coach prefered the left hander. It prolly worked in favor of Momin that he played along Mushfiq in BPL.
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Old February 24, 2013, 02:28 PM
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^^ Then why not pick Marshall as the back up ? Atleast he gets to be in the national fold as a reward for his performance. He could have been a back up for any place between 3-7. That right/left combo is a pretty lame excuse. Don't think the Lankans are losing sleep over the issue of a right/left batting combo of Bangladesh team !!

I have no issues over the selection of Mominul. He is a tough kid and deserves to be in the XV, if not in the XI. But I just can't get over the fact that Jahurul, who has had such an average season, preferred over the league's top scorer.
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Old February 24, 2013, 02:32 PM
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Old February 24, 2013, 02:42 PM
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^^ Then why not pick Marshall as the back up ? Atleast he gets to be in the national fold as a reward for his performance. He could have been a back up for any place between 3-7. That right/left combo is a pretty lame excuse. Don't think the Lankans are losing sleep over the issue of a right/left batting combo of Bangladesh team !!

I have no issues over the selection of Mominul. He is a tough kid and deserves to be in the XV, if not in the XI. But I just can't get over the fact that Jahurul, who has had such an average season, preferred over the league's top scorer.
Jahurul did not have an average season. He averaged a 50 in both the NCL and BCL. Also he's been doing well on a consistent batsman for years now in our domestic system. Can Marshall say the same? As far as I know, he's been an average performer until this year. Jahurul offers more than Marshal also. He can bat in the top and middle order and keeps. I have doubts that Marshall can bat in the top order. I see he bats mostly in 5-7. So I don't see this being a bad decision to be honest
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Old February 24, 2013, 03:55 PM
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Momin will most likely be a standby for a middle order position during the Test series, but may play in ODIs and T20I (in place of Naeem, I guess). I guess he will spend his time in nets with Corey Richards during the Test series.

In Marshall vs Momin contest, Marshall's lack of form in shorter versions (or not even be able to force his way into CK XI) prolly played a major part. Plus Momin bowls more often than Marshall does, which also is a crucial factor to consider in absence of Shakib.

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Jahurul did not have an average season. He averaged a 50 in both the NCL and BCL. Also he's been doing well on a consistent batsman for years now in our domestic system. Can Marshall say the same? As far as I know, he's been an average performer until this year. Jahurul offers more than Marshal also. He can bat in the top and middle order and keeps. I have doubts that Marshall can bat in the top order. I see he bats mostly in 5-7. So I don't see this being a bad decision to be honest

BCL : (Up untill final)
Marshall : 465 runs @ 77.50 with 2 centuries in 4 innings, Highest 289. #1st.
Jahurul : 200 runs @ 50.00, with 1 half century, Highest 79. #15th.

NCL :
Marshall : 604 runs @ 67.11, with 2 centuries, 2 half centuries, Highest 206, #1st
Jahurul : 353 runs @ 50.42, with 1 century, 2 half centuries, Highest 118, #16th

Decent season being 15th and 16th in the list of run scorer and gets picked, while ignoring the top scorer of both FC tournament this year ?

If Jahurul has done well in the past few season, he got rewarded for that. Spot in the national team along with a central contract. That doesn't mean you have to rewarded once again despite someone else rightly deserving the chance to prove their worth in the national side after performing better than anyone else in the domestic circuit.

And back up keeper ? We have Anamul as the 2nd back up, didn't think we needed a 3rd one as well !
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Old February 24, 2013, 04:47 PM
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Rabz, for a middle order position, Marshall would have been a more deserving choice ahead of Jahurul. But he rarely batted 1-3 positions in his career (only in few age group and academy matches). So, I don't understand why you keep comparing him with Jahurul here.
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BCL : (Up untill final)
Marshall : 465 runs @ 77.50 with 2 centuries in 4 innings, Highest 289. #1st.
Jahurul : 200 runs @ 50.00, with 1 half century, Highest 79. #15th.

NCL :
Marshall : 604 runs @ 67.11, with 2 centuries, 2 half centuries, Highest 206, #1st
Jahurul : 353 runs @ 50.42, with 1 century, 2 half centuries, Highest 118, #16th

Decent season being 15th and 16th in the list of run scorer and gets picked, while ignoring the top scorer of both FC tournament this year ?

If Jahurul has done well in the past few season, he got rewarded for that. Spot in the national team along with a central contract. That doesn't mean you have to rewarded once again despite someone else rightly deserving the chance to prove their worth in the national side after performing better than anyone else in the domestic circuit.

And back up keeper ? We have Anamul as the 2nd back up, didn't think we needed a 3rd one as well !
Ya agreed Marshall did do better this year but my point was that Jahurul has always been a top 10-15 batsman in domestics. Jahurul also hasn't gotten enough chances to prove himself yet despite doing reasonably well in his chances. We can't just discard him just yet. Give him a bit of time before just getting rid of him.

I want Marshall to be tried in the A team first before he's in the national team. The standard of our domestic system is far different than the international level.

Finally since I don't live there, so haven't seen much of him. Since you live there, did you watch him bat up close? Have you judged whether his technique is international standard? Or are you judging by pure statistics? Can't make that mistake again bro. We saw what happened with Nazim and Tushar. If you saw him up close and think he's a special player than it's a whole different story.
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Rabz, for a middle order position, Marshall would have been a more deserving choice ahead of Jahurul. But he rarely batted 1-3 positions in his career (only in few age group and academy matches). So, I don't understand why you keep comparing him with Jahurul here.
That's another good point. They're both battling for different spots. Marshall's main competition was against Mominul and he lost out. These are totally different spots. Top order batsmen require different set of skills. They need to be sufficient in handling the new ball whereas middle order batsmen have to bat against the old ball and spin. Marshall as far as a I know is a batsman that usually bats at 5-7. Asking him to bat as an opener or #3 and all of a sudden he's doing something he never did before
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marshall should have got selected imo. but i understand where the selectors are coming from, marshall and mominul are both middle order batsman mostly so if they wanted a back-up top order batsman jahurul going by domestic results isn't a bad choice. we have no idea the stance the selectors have on a number of positions. are they considering anamul as a pure opener? or as both an opener or #3? is jahurul being considered as an opener? or as both an opener and a #3? is SN being considered an opener, a #3 or a middle order batsman?

personally i think marshall did more than enough to get selected ahead of one of jahurul or SN. what the selectors should have done is they should have decided on their top 3, and then that would have free'd up a spot for marshall. imo SN has no business in the squad regardless of where they are placing him, there is no way he should get into the middle order and he's had too many chances at the top, better to give jahurul a few more chances than SN.

also they really should be considering marshall and mominul for the #3 spot, unless that's where they want anamul.

imo anamul's spot should be sealed for the next 3 series in t20s, ODIs and tests. he did ok in the BPL, he got a century in his first ODI series, and he's been one of the best FC batsmen in BD for the last 2-3 years. the question is play him at #3 or as opener? if he is opener then guys like mominul and marshall come into the picture, if he's the #3 then they're fighting for shakib's spot.
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BCL : (Up untill final)
Marshall : 465 runs @ 77.50 with 2 centuries in 4 innings, Highest 289. #1st.
Jahurul : 200 runs @ 50.00, with 1 half century, Highest 79. #15th.

NCL :
Marshall : 604 runs @ 67.11, with 2 centuries, 2 half centuries, Highest 206, #1st
Jahurul : 353 runs @ 50.42, with 1 century, 2 half centuries, Highest 118, #16th

Decent season being 15th and 16th in the list of run scorer and gets picked, while ignoring the top scorer of both FC tournament this year ?

If Jahurul has done well in the past few season, he got rewarded for that. Spot in the national team along with a central contract. That doesn't mean you have to rewarded once again despite someone else rightly deserving the chance to prove their worth in the national side after performing better than anyone else in the domestic circuit.

And back up keeper ? We have Anamul as the 2nd back up, didn't think we needed a 3rd one as well !
i don't think anamul or jahurul should be selected on the basis of back-up keeper. it's good to have them there, but they should be selected on their batting imo.

i guess with jahurul they're rewarding him for consistent performance over a good number of years. yes marshall had an incredible season, but jahurul has been consistent for 5+ years and that is kind of rare in BD. think about it like this, do teams like australia, south africa and india pick their batsman based off one great season? usually they have to wait a good number of seasons and have to have performed consistently over those seasons to get selected. that's one positive jahurul has and that marshall doesn't. but for me it's a moot point because marshall could have easily taken SN's place in the squad and jahurul could still be in there so there's no reason to be saying why was jahurul selected over marshall, if anything it's why was SN selected over marshall (especially since SN has been used as a middle order batsman in internationals which is where marshall bats, jahurul is really a top 3 batsman almost exclusively).
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IMO, our current Test middle order is set with Naeem-Mushfiq-Riyad-Nasir (one of them may have to make way for Shak, if he does not want to bowl as much as before, ie requiring second specialist spinner to stay in the XI).

Akram made clear in press conference that SN is will bat in top 3 and Jahurul is his back up.

Momin is currently only a reserve middle order option in Test, and possible replacement for Naeem in shorter versions. If Marshall was selected, he would in the same situation as Momin. So, again, I don't see how JI or SN is coming in discussion.
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As for Anam, I think his ideal position is #3. Team management should let him settle there, and experiment with SN, JI, or SR (if he gets selected in future) as #2.
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Actually, let me correct what I said - Naeem/Riyad are not so settled in the Test team. Riyad was previously highly valued as a utility player. In ODI, he should be still valued as the 5th bowler, but in Test he is redundant now that we have Gazi. So, if they don't perform consistently with bat in Tests, both positions should be up for grabs. But at same time, selectors should not rush them out after one single failure, as they often do.
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SN shouldn't have even been selected, he's a proven fail at test level and didn't do much in the domestic FC matches this season. mominul is mainly a #4 batsman but has batted at #3 at times, even in the A team i think, so he is an option at #3. with anamul, SN, jahurul and mominul we have 4 options at #3 and with tamim we have 4 options for the openers. they should have picked tamim, anamul and jahurul for the possible opening combination and had anamul, jahurul and mominul as the possible #3. no need for SN.
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^^Gowza, does Momin have any successful innings as #3 in longer version matches? Or are you talking about his performances at #3 in shorter versions?
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Going through Momin's stats, I don't find much other than 150 he scored against Windies A, to analyze him as an FC cricketer. He has not yet played that many longer version matches to begin with.

Taking him, ignoring a relatively more experienced FC cricketer in a superb form, is a step backward in the selection process, whichever way you want to slice it.
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Going through Momin's stats, I don't find much other than 150 he scored against Windies A, to analyze him as an FC cricketer. He has not yet played that many longer version matches to begin with.

Taking him, ignoring a relatively more experienced FC cricketer in a superb form, is a step backward in the selection process, whichever way you want to slice it.
well the discussion of mominul versus marshall is debatable i'll admit. i think both are worthy of selection at current. don't forget the selectors picked mominul during the WI series, he's more of an FC cricketer so i'm happy with them backing him (yes i know that was ODIs). i think SN's place in the squad is a bigger question to mominul's though.

now for mominul at #3, from what i can see batting at #3 in FC cricket his notable scores are: 52, 56, 54. he's also got a 42. ok no centuries at #3 but it shows he can bat there, he doesn't actually bat at #3 that often so the fact that when he bats there he does a pretty good job should say he has the ability to bat there.

anyway the best FC #3 in BD is anamul haque so no point of getting into a debate about the #3 spot. i'm simply saying if anamul bats as opener, mominul is an option.
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