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Old October 16, 2013, 10:24 AM
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Default Ken Williamson Action

Did anyone else suspect his action? It seemed he was pushing the ball a little too much towards the end of his deliveries.
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Old October 16, 2013, 10:42 AM
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With Razzak and Shohag playing for us, I wouldn't be querying opposition bowlers's actions too much mon ami Both of ours have, to quot the Kiwi newspapers, "snappy" actions.
But yes, Williamson too has a bit of a snap on his quicker/straighter ones.
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Old October 16, 2013, 11:11 AM
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its not a fact of whether he chucks or not. Its about the degree of chucking. even kiwis themselves claim Williamson chucks. Its not blatant chucking like that of Samuel's
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Old October 17, 2013, 02:55 AM
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Don't think we are in a good position to question others about suspect bowling actions.

If it were 10 years ago, I am pretty sure Gazi and Razzak would have been asked to correct their actions although I do believe Razzak was once called to rectify his action by the ICC. Since then the rules have changed with reduced limitations on the 'degree of chucking'.

Guess that is why bowlers like Ajmal only came to prominence later in his career...wearing a full sleeve playing shirt helps too.
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Old October 17, 2013, 09:22 AM
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Surely you mean Kane Williamson, old chap?
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Old October 17, 2013, 09:31 AM
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Let the boy chuck as much as he wants. Chucker or not, if we can't play Kane W, the door to Jahirul's team in Clemon Indoor Cricket is always open.
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Old October 17, 2013, 03:04 PM
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Surely you mean Kane Williamson, old chap?
yeah - slip of pen -- must be hanging out with too many Kenneths and not enough Kanes.
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Old October 17, 2013, 03:08 PM
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btw, I didn't notice anything funny with Sohwag's action. I saw the replays of his wickets over and over and the action seem normal to me. Will be interested to see why people have that perception?
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Old October 17, 2013, 03:42 PM
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Old October 17, 2013, 04:52 PM
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btw, I didn't notice anything funny with Sohwag's action. I saw the replays of his wickets over and over and the action seem normal to me. Will be interested to see why people have that perception?
Ever seen Gazi bowl in short sleeves? Likewise with Ken ...


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Old October 17, 2013, 07:22 PM
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Ever seen Gazi bowl in short sleeves? Likewise with Ken ...
Still photographs don't really count. You have to see the whole action to understand it.

Kane is pushing it very fast towards the end of the delivery - a kind of a jerk -- this is what we called chucking when we played . Whereas Gazi's delivery is totally fluent - no jerk of push.

Not sure if you've ever played a real match yourself. I'm talking from the fellow players perspective where this 'chuck' is very noticeable and you don't need to depend of ICC definition of 15 degree or such.

watch these videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl2CUWbw9rQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Csr3T3PVeA
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Old October 17, 2013, 08:34 PM
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Moneymoney, I play regularly and as a finger spinner who has himself been accused of not having the cleanest of actions, am acutely aware of any kind of snap in a bowler's action. In his pause delivery and doosra, Gazi definitely has a snap. It isn't pronounced and I suspect it falls under the 15 degree flexion most of the times but there are the off deliveries where it is more pronounced. No more than Kane's though.

Agreed about still photography offering only partial evidence.
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Old October 17, 2013, 11:09 PM
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its not a fact of whether he chucks or not. Its about the degree of chucking. even kiwis themselves claim Williamson chucks. Its not blatant chucking like that of Samuel's
Oh come on!!!..Marlon has been cleared by the ICC thank you very much!! .
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Old October 17, 2013, 11:13 PM
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WindieFan - simmer down man!
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Old October 17, 2013, 11:28 PM
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LOL it was just a lighthearted comment RazaB!!..nothing serious.
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Old October 17, 2013, 11:35 PM
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I can never tell if a spinner is chucking, never pay close attention.
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Old October 18, 2013, 01:54 AM
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I reckon Marlon hasn't been cleared by Warne yet
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Old October 18, 2013, 05:17 AM
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Don't see anything wrong with Sohag's action at all. Why the witch hunt, RazabQ?
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Don't see anything wrong with Sohag's action at all. Why the witch hunt, RazabQ?
I don't think there is anything 'wrong' with his action personally as he meets the 15degree criteria set by the ICC. He would however may have been asked to rectify his action before such rule was mandated.

Its a long winded debate about what is acceptable and what is not but with the likes of Ajmal taking the world by storm, I think the ruling is here to stay so Gazi shouldn't have any problems unless he develops a new delivery that pushes these angles.
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15 degrees is too much. Might as well throw the ball. They should go back to the old rule.
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15 degrees is too much. Might as well throw the ball. They should go back to the old rule.
in the world created for murali everybody is clean
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Old October 18, 2013, 03:53 PM
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Moneymoney, I play regularly and as a finger spinner who has himself been accused of not having the cleanest of actions, am acutely aware of any kind of snap in a bowler's action. In his pause delivery and doosra, Gazi definitely has a snap. It isn't pronounced and I suspect it falls under the 15 degree flexion most of the times but there are the off deliveries where it is more pronounced. No more than Kane's though.

Agreed about still photography offering only partial evidence.
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Old October 18, 2013, 05:30 PM
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No witch hunt. I'm saying let's not start an argument where our own case _could_ be attacked.
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Old October 19, 2013, 07:49 AM
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15 degrees is too much. Might as well throw the ball. They should go back to the old rule.
R U kidding me? Under the old rule even the great fast bowlers (I am not going to mention names, cause someone among us would be edgy but they come from islands) would have over 15+ degrees let alone spinners.
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Old October 21, 2013, 11:44 AM
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That was under lab testing though, they quoted that mcgrath would even go over the 15 degree limit, but we all know the 15 degree limit was created for murali
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