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Old March 24, 2013, 03:21 AM
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he may end up a better bowler, specially at sub continent pitches but, batting at7/8 for india wont give him enough chance with the bat, either he wont get enough time to bat, or when he gets it wont be enough time
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Old March 24, 2013, 04:42 AM
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Shakib is a fighter. This injury really slowed him down. His other enemy is he himself. He needs to put in a lot more effort in the nets to add more dimensions to his bowling, keep improving his batting. If things go well and he plays for another 7-8 years, there is every chance he ll score 8000-10000 runs and get 350 plus wickets. With that record he will not only finish as a Bangladeshi legend, but one of the best limited over all rounders of all time.

Regarding Jadeja, yeah probably he wont get much opportunity but he is showing signs of developing into a world class all rounder.
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Old March 24, 2013, 06:16 AM
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Yes Robindro can take away Sakib's crown as long as he bowls against Aussie
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Old March 24, 2013, 05:33 PM
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Jadeja will be a good bowler, on turners, but as a batsman he is completely worthless, so there is minimal chance of him overtaking Shakib as a leading all-rounder.
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Old March 27, 2013, 05:49 AM
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I think Jadeja has 3 Tripple hundreds in domestic cricket
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Old March 27, 2013, 07:22 AM
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OK, jadeja can be competitive with shakib because he is backed by indian team and surrounded by good match-winners around, but this can be his downfall in a peculiar way to attain the top rank all rounder in icc list, because as seen with hafeez, in spite of playing so much cricket but due to his poor form he moved down to shakib, so as india gets to play so much cricket round the year, there is a possibility that his poor form in a series or two can always pull him back behind shakib in the icc list..
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Old March 27, 2013, 08:57 AM
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Yep. And he wont get so many opportunities to prove himself like Shakib does. India already has so many match winners
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Old March 27, 2013, 09:13 AM
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Shakib is a fighter. This injury really slowed him down. His other enemy is he himself. He needs to put in a lot more effort in the nets to add more dimensions to his bowling, keep improving his batting. If things go well and he plays for another 7-8 years, there is every chance he ll score 8000-10000 runs and get 350 plus wickets. With that record he will not only finish as a Bangladeshi legend, but one of the best limited over all rounders of all time.

Regarding Jadeja, yeah probably he wont get much opportunity but he is showing signs of developing into a world class all rounder.
Couldn't agree more. But with ODI's status in question, will it last that long or will enough matches be played for Shakib to reach those figures?

That being said, I think Jadeja will be very instrumental in the way he is shaping up. Probably more so in ODI's and Tests. Let's not forget that Ashwin is a solid tail ender and has shown he can bat for sessions, so a Jadeja-Ashwin combo down the order will be very helpful and comforting for the Indians.
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Old June 11, 2013, 12:19 AM
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Not trying to prove anything, but this guys rise in cricket is impressive. The way he gives the ball a rip, the way he bats, the way he fields, he could soon elevate himself to the top when it comes to all rounders. Sometimes i find him a more dangerous bowler than Ashwin.
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Old June 11, 2013, 01:46 AM
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Not trying to prove anything, but this guys rise in cricket is impressive. The way he gives the ball a rip, the way he bats, the way he fields, he could soon elevate himself to the top when it comes to all rounders. Sometimes i find him a more dangerous bowler than Ashwin.
yeah his improvement is impressive, if he can replicate his FC stats or get close to them and continue with his quality fielding then he will be at the top of the greatest ever, wouldn't be many players in test history who have managed to average 45+ with the bat, 25- with the ball and field great.

but that picture on cricinfo has to go!
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He wouldn't get much opportunities to bat long in ODIs, given his no. 7 position. However he looks to be a permanent in tests at least for the next few matches and should seize this opportunity to show his real batting talent. I've seen one of his domestic triple hundreds, and if he can replicate half of that in tests, he'd be among the very best.

The good thing is the patience shown by the team management on the young players. Although it's yet to work out in certain cases (Ishant, Rohit, Dinda etc), it really payed off for most players (Kohli, Jadeja etc).
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Took 3 wickets today. Sigh. But even if he does take Shakib's place, he can't sustain it for long.

Shakib's range: 380-450
Hafeez's range: 350-410
Jadeja's range (Future): 320-400
Watson's range: 350-420

There's a reason Shakib has been leading the pack. Note that Shakib missed 8 ODIs in a row due to injury. Because of that he lost close to 40 points. True story.
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Sir Jadeja Takes 5 Wkt
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Old June 11, 2013, 07:55 AM
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calm down it's just the West Indies. No need to reach such drastic conclusions.
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Old June 11, 2013, 08:16 AM
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This will boost Jadeja's rating points. But he will have to score with the bat too in the upcoming games to surpass the likes of Shakib, Hafeez and Watson.
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Ajke Ashraful team e thakle oke duita taka dhoray dilei dekhten kibhabe Jadejar career shesh kore dito. 6 6 6 6 6 6.
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This will boost Jadeja's rating points. But he will have to score with the bat too in the upcoming games to surpass the likes of Shakib, Hafeez and Watson.
Jadeja will play many odi this year(minimum till march 14)

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The more the ODIs, the more consistent he needs to be. He is still more of a bowling all-rounder. (Although he does have 2 triples in FC)
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IMHO you can't really compare a regular middle order batsman to someone who most of the times comes in the 45th over and has to slog it out. The former gets ample time to get his eye in and build an innings, the later doesn't have that luxury (and Jadeja is not a natural slogger).

Since this is a comparison thread, allow me to post a few stats about their domestic careers so far, which might (or might not) give a fair idea about the topic in hand.

Shakib (Batting, FC career)

Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50

65 120 9 3886 144 35 5 23


Jadeja (Batting, FC career)

Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50

48 70 6 3263 331 50.98 7 12


Both the players have different roles to play in their team. One has been doing it brilliantly for a few years now, and the other has started doing in recently. Both Shakib (for sure) and Jadeja (I hope) has a long career ahead of them, so lets just leave it to that. And regarding ICC rankings, wasn't at one point Ireland was ranked higher than Australia in T20s?
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The ICC rankings for ODIs and Tests have been pretty much accurate. Jadeja has done well to get into the top 5. But as you have said, his limited batting exposure won't let him get past Shakib.

To add to that, although improving, Jadeja's Intl. batting stats are ordinary.
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To add to that, although improving, Jadeja's Intl. batting stats are ordinary.
In some way its understandable. He's no Pollard, who would come in the 45th over and blast his way to a half century. He used to be a middle order batsman in the domestic arena.

Secondly you tend to perform better if you're a regular in your team (some might argue its the opposite), Jadeja has been a regular only recently, so we might see improved batting performances from him. What has been really disappointing so far is his batting in tests, this is one area he needs to work on.

Off topic: Just checked the ICC ranking for allrounders in tests, Shakib is facing competition from Ashwin.
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The more the ODIs, the more consistent he needs to be. He is still more of a bowling all-rounder. (Although he does have 2 triples in FC)
would say in the shorter formats he's more of a bowling all rounder but he's averaging 50+ in FC cricket as well as averaging around 25 with the ball, that has to make him a genuine all rounder, if not results wise then potential wise. test cricket is still the ultimate imo, that's where he's done best domestically hopefully he translates it to tests.
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Jadeja moves to 4th position in odi allrounder ranking as well as bowling ranking

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Old June 19, 2013, 11:31 PM
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His bowling has improved significantly. Now India doesnt need to pick a second spinner as Jadeja can comfortably do the job. And he is no part time spinner. His bowling plan is simple. 90+% will be in the good length, around off stump. Lots of lbw's, lots of bowled out. And because he can turn the ball sharp the batsman is always in two minds when it comes to improvising.
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