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Old March 18, 2013, 09:22 AM
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You do realize because we have such "attacking" bowlers we have to often bring in spinners inside the first ten overs with the new ball. In tests and also in ODI's
Yes I do. But do you think Nazmul (instead of any of those three) would change that? Mushfiq would still go for spinner in that particular case.


All three are still young and unproven, give them time, some of them will come out with enough success and eventually trust from Rahim over time.

In ODI, its a different case : even PAk with three quality FBs sometimes they start with spinner. Its a new strategy for some sort of wickets.
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Old March 18, 2013, 09:38 AM
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And I am so glad that team is not selected based on fan's popularity contest.
Yes what do the BC fans know anyways. Ian Pont was also probably trying to win the popularity contest. Good for you that you can think like a BD selector
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Old March 18, 2013, 09:46 AM
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Good strong bowling line up but then its not balanced when batting is taking into consideration --

Tamim
2nd useless opener
Ash/Marshall
Shakib
Mominul
Mushy
Nasir
Riyad
Gazi
Enamul
Taskin
Nazmul


That's a 12 men team. Don' know who can we drop from the team. Otherwise the tail would be too long (gazi,enam,nazmul,taskin). I think we can get 2 pacers and shakib + gazi.
I believe batting depth till number 7 is good enough for a good test side. The number 8 spot which we are giving to Ryad should be given to a bowling all rounder or a specialist bowler. If you look at other teams, every one is using four specialist bowlers. Just because we have Shakib doesn't mean we need to make him carry the fourth bowlers workload. His knee has broken down precisely because of the heavy workload. The main problem is we are unable to take 20 wkts with are current combinations so going with a bowling heavy side and giving more responsibility to the top six batters might be the right move.
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Old March 18, 2013, 09:54 AM
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Yes what do the BC fans know anyways. Ian Pont was also probably trying to win the popularity contest. Good for you that your thought process matches that of BD selectors
About Ian, yes I know that. I took that into the consideration also. I value his comment and I respect him as a coach, but I also [am entitled to my own POV as a fan]

I also trust on JS. [] If JS sees more into players like Abul/Rubel/Robiul than Nazmul, its ok with me.

About BCB, I really like their change of policy about bringing new faces and creating new challenges... that part I support. Actually I am liking their selections more than ever. That's why you don't see too many complains from me to the selectors/BCB from me now a days....I like their moves.

What can I say... I cannot just complain out of habit.... I need to disgree with them... they are making changes that I may not be expecting.... but they are backing up with some positive results....how can I complain?

All the new players are showing some kind of improvements over time (limited time) so far.
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Old March 18, 2013, 10:08 AM
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I am not really sure what induces the Selectors to pick Abul and Shahadat in the national team. Do they have a first class record that shows proven ability to take wickets? Even Rubel's record is bad in FC cricket. So what is it that the selectors go with when they select Shahadat and Abul in particular. Is it a gut feeling from Akram Khan? Is it because they can send half trackers down faster then others? What really is their magic?
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Old March 18, 2013, 11:00 AM
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On spin friendly pitches, Shakib, Enam and Gazi would be lethal. From the pacers I'd go with Rubel and Nazmul.
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Old March 18, 2013, 12:36 PM
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I am not really sure what induces the Selectors to pick Abul and Shahadat in the national team. Do they have a first class record that shows proven ability to take wickets? Even Rubel's record is bad in FC cricket. So what is it that the selectors go with when they select Shahadat and Abul in particular. Is it a gut feeling from Akram Khan? Is it because they can send half trackers down faster then others? What really is their magic?
Has to be gut feel because Abul has nothing to show in first class cricket, nor has he been exposed to A team cricket. His spells in BPL 1 did the trick where he was bowling between 135-140 kph.

Rubels selection is understandable, Robiul has done well in domestic cricket. Shahadats selection is a little queer because there is nothing that he offers, and he seems to have unlearned the good things as he got more experience.
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Old March 18, 2013, 05:42 PM
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Has to be gut feel because Abul has nothing to show in first class cricket, nor has he been exposed to A team cricket. His spells in BPL 1 did the trick where he was bowling between 135-140 kph.

Rubels selection is understandable, Robiul has done well in domestic cricket. Shahadats selection is a little queer because there is nothing that he offers, and he seems to have unlearned the good things as he got more experience.
i assume shahadat is selected based on his overall test record, his test record isn't great but it's better than the others plus he's got 5fers and 4fers, though if they noticed properly they'd realise he has been just as bad as the others over the last few years.

nazmul should be picked, it's really a no brainer, he's got a decent chunk of international experience even if it is in ODIs, but the the thing about nazmul is his test record is really good (by BD standards) and he's the most likely to bowl a good line and length consistently and that's what the pace attack needs atm.

as far as abul bowling 135-140 in BPL 1, if they're just going for pace why not pick kamrul, more experienced, better record.

how fast does sajidul bowl? swings it both ways, left armer, had a good domestic FC season, a good overall FC record and as far as i though he also bowled 135-140. shafiul also bowls in that range, taskin to.
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Old March 18, 2013, 06:02 PM
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I don't want to make excuses for the selectors but maybe because of fitness issues, Shafiul and Nazmul are not considered for Tests? They do have issues with injuries which is probably 1 reason they are not considered. Also another reason Nazmul is not considered is because they rate him more as a backup pacer. Once Mash and Shafiul are fit, knowing how our selectors operate, we might see Nazmul getting dropped.

Guys like Abul, Robiul and Shahadat are more well built with stronger arms, chest, and shoulders which is why they can bowl longer spells compared to the likes of Nazmul and Shafiul who are on thin side.
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Old March 18, 2013, 11:23 PM
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Old March 19, 2013, 01:13 AM
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yeah..let the 19 years old kid play test and make another carbon copy of mash. Disgusting. This kid didnot even played ODI cricket yet and people want him to play test.
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Old March 19, 2013, 01:18 AM
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I am not really sure what induces the Selectors to pick Abul and Shahadat in the national team. Do they have a first class record that shows proven ability to take wickets? Even Rubel's record is bad in FC cricket. So what is it that the selectors go with when they select Shahadat and Abul in particular. Is it a gut feeling from Akram Khan? Is it because they can send half trackers down faster then others? What really is their magic?
What options really we have? Mash,Shafi both injured. Nazmul also need operation to be fully fit. Whom do you want to select? Atleast these players are playing international cricket for a while.
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Old March 19, 2013, 01:26 AM
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What options really we have? Mash,Shafi both injured. Nazmul also need operation to be fully fit. Whom do you want to select? Atleast these players are playing international cricket for a while.
There are some domestic performers like sajidul, dolar, kamrul's, babu, Abu zayed, al Amin who haven't been given many if any chances.
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Old March 19, 2013, 01:29 AM
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Old March 19, 2013, 01:34 AM
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There are some domestic performers like sajidul, dolar, kamrul's, babu, Abu zayed, al Amin who haven't been given many if any chances.
Dont mention his name. This guy is totally crap.
btw,i dont think its a good idea to play a test with a bunch of debutantes who didnot played international cricket at all. At first let them play ODI or T20, if they perform there then pick them for Test.
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Old March 19, 2013, 02:27 AM
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Dont mention his name. This guy is totally crap.
btw,i dont think its a good idea to play a test with a bunch of debutantes who didnot played international cricket at all. At first let them play ODI or T20, if they perform there then pick them for Test.
The requirements of TEST cricket and limited overs cricket are quite different. Case in point is Abdur Razzak who is a very good limited overs bowler but hasn't had success in Tests. On the same token Enamul Hq Jr. might go for runs in ODIs but proves to be very effective in FC cricket.

Why can't we do a standard process:
-where we select from the top performers of the Domestic four day tournaments?
-never select anyone who doesn't have a solid FC record
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The requirements of TEST cricket and limited overs cricket are quite different. Case in point is Abdur Razzak who is a very good limited overs bowler but hasn't had success in Tests. On the same token Enamul Hq Jr. might go for runs in ODIs but proves to be very effective in FC cricket.

Why can't we do a standard process:
-where we select from the top performers of the Domestic four day tournaments?
-never select anyone who doesn't have a solid FC record
shakib's FC record wasn't that good..i think we should combine potential and FC record for picking players
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Yes what do the BC fans know anyways. Ian Pont was also probably trying to win the popularity contest. Good for you that you can think like a BD selector
Interesting comment. I don't care about being popular, bhai, or I would be desperate to work with England.

You know very little about me, my passions, beliefs, intentions or what I care about. Most comments here are made based on ignorance and guesswork, not knowledge. But please don't assume you know me when you have no idea what you are talking about
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Dont mention his name. This guy is totally crap.
btw,i dont think its a good idea to play a test with a bunch of debutantes who didnot played international cricket at all. At first let them play ODI or T20, if they perform there then pick them for Test.
might be crap but has a better record than the ones playing. anyway as far as playing debutantes, i'm not suggesting to introduce them all at once but if they had trialled one or more of these guys instead of constantly going back to shahadat then we'd have a few more experienced pacers right now.
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Old March 19, 2013, 03:24 AM
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Interesting comment. I don't care about being popular, bhai, or I would be desperate to work with England.

You know very little about me, my passions, beliefs, intentions or what I care about. Most comments here are made based on ignorance and guesswork, not knowledge. But please don't assume you know me when you have no idea what you are talking about
Ian I was being sarcastic. Read the conversation before with Fazal and you will get the whole picture of what i was trying to say. I tried to defend Nazmul. I brought in your name to defend him as i believe you have faith in his ability too.
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Old March 19, 2013, 03:31 AM
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Ian I was being sarcastic. Read the conversation before with Fazal and you will get the whole picture of what i was trying to say. I tried to defend Nazmul. I brought in your name to defend him as i believe you have faith in his ability too.
Didn't get that.
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shakib's FC record wasn't that good..i think we should combine potential and FC record for picking players
Absolutely, both need to be considered. But first class shouldnt be disregarded. Any player coming into the test team must have at least 3-4 years of first class experience and at least a few A Team tours.
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I'd go with 2 specialist spinners (Sohag and Enam) alongside Shakib for spin friendly pitches. I have faith in Raju and will give him the new ball with Rubel running in from the other end.

For faster pitches, I'd drop Enam and add Taskin.

We can get 20 wickets with that wicket hungry bowling attack without waiting for too many unforced batting errors, provided our fielding is top notch and aggressive when required.
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Old March 19, 2013, 04:39 AM
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I'd go with 2 specialist spinners (Sohag and Enam) alongside Shakib for spin friendly pitches. I have faith in Raju and will give him the new ball with Rubel running in from the other end.

For faster pitches, I'd drop Enam and add Taskin.

We can get 20 wickets with that wicket hungry bowling attack without waiting for too many unforced batting errors, provided our fielding is top notch and aggressive when required.
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Old March 19, 2013, 05:05 AM
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I'd go with 2 specialist spinners (Sohag and Enam) alongside Shakib for spin friendly pitches. I have faith in Raju and will give him the new ball with Rubel running in from the other end.

For faster pitches, I'd drop Enam and add Taskin.

We can get 20 wickets with that wicket hungry bowling attack without waiting for too many unforced batting errors, provided our fielding is top notch and aggressive when required.
Three pacers is a no-no. I don't still trust Abul with the new ball, and the fact that Robiul outbowled him doesn't inspire any confidence either.
Go with one or max two pacers - preferably Rubel and Shafi/Nazmul and hopefully Taskin in the future. Regardless of the pitch, always play two specialist spinners with Shakib - that's your strength and don't think opting for more mediocre fast bowling is going to help.
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