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Old June 24, 2015, 10:51 AM
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Default Reluctance from the specialist batsman to bat out 50 overs

1st ODI- we were 120-1 after 15 overs from which 350 looked good then we were 140-4. Even after a good recovery we scored 245-5 after 40 overs but eventually we don't get more than 307. Infact we don't bat out the 50 overs.

Even today as well, look how our batsman looked unwilling to stay in the wicket till the 50th over. The pitch is playing so well and once you get in its hard to get out. Its about specialist batsman trying to remain in the wicket AS LONG as possible. We tend to bat too aggressively and eventually falling short. Look at how India paced their innings. They didn't play many aggressive shots in the middle over for which they had the licence to go big in the end

Today's match showed, no matter how sloth paced Anamul(still not happy with his SR during PP and approaching 100) and Riad, both of them did play a good role in the side. All of Tamim, Soumya, Shakib, Sabbir and Mushfiq are aggressor. The reason for our success in the WC was mainly because of Riad. He didn't get quick runs but his sheer presence allowed the others to play around him.
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Old June 24, 2015, 11:12 AM
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Playing big innings should be our next step of development. We play with only 7 batsmen, so with one batter short it is imperative for us to make big innings from the top. Riyad is coming which is a good news as he is capable of playing big innings: Tamim can also play big innings, but he is inconsistent. Soumya should learn to score 80+score more regularly. Shakib, Nasir and Sabbir won't play much big innings. That's why Mushy should start scoring big innings more often.He is the nucleaus of the batting lineup and his inability to extend his innings is hurting us as we expect more from him. He has the talent and determination and he is fully capable.
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Old June 24, 2015, 11:13 AM
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been saying this....
Riyad is the kind of player that would hold one end and switch gears steadily while allowing the other players to bat freely around him. But some people just thinks thats useless and "sissy" like.... meh

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Old June 24, 2015, 11:16 AM
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That's why we need players like Anamul to hold one end up.

Great series again nevertheless.
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Old June 24, 2015, 11:26 AM
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I think fans have had a humble pie for critizing the likes of batsman who try to bat for an extended period of time. We need a good mix of aggression and defence.

All of the players in our team is in aggressive mode
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Old June 24, 2015, 11:43 AM
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The value of wickets are more than value of risky quick runs

Soumya was batting so well then he gave it away

Shakib was playing risky all along.

We really missed riad or bijoy today.

Also in the tail sunny is no rafiq, not even rajjak with bat. Shanto, tapas basha, shafiul, abul are decent batters. Gazi too was a decent batsman.

Our tail these days are so poor.

We did well to win the series but there are lot of things to rectify to get to the next level
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Old June 24, 2015, 12:06 PM
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120/4 is a score that's far too consistent.
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Old June 24, 2015, 02:19 PM
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We dont need Anamul
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Old June 24, 2015, 02:48 PM
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I do not think they were reluctant. The batsmen were a tad more aggressive. That could be due to what the team has achieved in last two matches. I reckon the failure of Tamim (who us unlucky), Mushfiq and Sakib to score a 50 in this match cost us the match.

Tamim was unlucky to be given out. His out also forced Soumya to be tad more aggressive than need to be. He is young and left in the crease without anyone helping him to think through. LKD was struggling at the other end. He looks like someone who needs a lot of work. Talented but not there yet.

Mushfiq seemed out of sort, and low in confidence. I believe he should keep in ODI's. There is no question about it. It could be because of injury, could be because he is not playing his part. He looked really down today after getting out.

Sakib got out a crucial junction of the game. If Sakib clicked and scored a 40 ball 60 the game would have become very easy for the rest of the players. I think that might have been his goal when he tried that big shot. It did not happen and he looked bad. I think batting wise Sakib is still not at his prime. He seems to be still stuck at 2011-12 season. I want him to become one of the all time best alrounders which I believe he has the capacity to do. It could be that he is playing too much games which leave almost no time for him to work on the minor details. So I am very happy that he is working on his bowling, something I though he should have worked on last year before the Zimbabwe series.
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Old June 24, 2015, 03:19 PM
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This temperament issue doesn't only hamper the ODI outcomes, but also kills any possibility to do well in Test cricket. In the two days against India, I saw the same thing.
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Old June 24, 2015, 07:07 PM
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lol op reminds me of the member poorfan

edit: yes you got them...lol that must be it... they'd rather be playing frisbee than be shoehorned into this ish
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Old June 24, 2015, 08:44 PM
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If you lose 3 wickets under 100 you are under pressure
If you lose 4 wickets under 150 you are under pressure
If you lose 5 wickets under 200 you have basically lost the game.

These statistics need to be infront of the batsmen. No matter how long your batting lineup is. Partnership is crucial all the way through. Do not lose wickets knowing you will be under pressure. Keep it simple.
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Old June 24, 2015, 09:06 PM
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Two reasons..1) Tami m's inability to play long inning in this series. We have a very good chance if one of the top three plays long innings. Gang Ho approach is not always fruitful specially when you chase 300
2) poor form of Mushi
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Old June 24, 2015, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rinathq
been saying this....
Riyad is the kind of player that would hold one end and switch gears steadily while allowing the other players to bat freely around him. But some people just thinks thats useless and "sissy" like.... meh
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Old June 25, 2015, 12:04 AM
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If you lose 3 wickets under 100 you are under pressure
If you lose 4 wickets under 150 you are under pressure
If you lose 5 wickets under 200 you have basically lost the game.

These statistics need to be infront of the batsmen. No matter how long your batting lineup is. Partnership is crucial all the way through. Do not lose wickets knowing you will be under pressure. Keep it simple.
if u lose 5 before 200 means you have the last recognized pair to all the rest of the job and no more risk can be taken.

so it is important to always keep wickets. may be u are scoring 20 runs less now but you can get 50 more in the end.

but if you don't keep ur wickets, u may end up scoring 80 less in the end
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Old June 25, 2015, 02:03 AM
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Disappointing. We batted 50 overs we could have gone close to the total, or even chased it down.

Litton and Shabbirs dismissals were technique related issues which need fixing. But Mushfiq, Shakib and Soumya threw away their wickets.
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Old June 26, 2015, 12:59 PM
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In 61 attempts we've only chased down a total of more than 250 against the full strength big teams 3 times.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...m;view=innings

That's a very poor record. It's no secret that you need big scores from your top order to chase down big totals and we just haven't had them.

Interesting to note, Anamul averages 14 from 12 innings whilst chasing, compared to 52 from 15 innings when batting first. Lack of strike rotation and bulging rrr forces him to play a rash shot and gift his wicket away.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
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Old June 26, 2015, 01:15 PM
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^ look deeper, it's twice. The third time it was a wain curtailed match and target was reduced.
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^ look deeper, it's twice. The third time it was a wain curtailed match and target was reduced.
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