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Old June 12, 2013, 08:49 AM
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Default Best Slow-Left-Arm Bowler?

Who is the best SLA around at the moment, could be based on stats, importance etc. I have alway's admired Daniel Vettori as an excellent slow left arm bowler, and I would like say his stats and contribution to NZ is pretty important, a player with an economy rate of less than 4.50 and knowing most of Dan Vettori's game's are played at home (Newzeland) is brillaint.

Daniel Vettori: (Economy: 4.11) (ST:45.9)
Jadeja?
Shakib?
Herath?
Robin Petersen?
Abdur Rehman?
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Old June 12, 2013, 12:13 PM
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Do we have to pick from the list given? i thought you are asking for the best at the moment. How come abdur rehman and robin petersen comes in the ranks of shakib, herath, you missed ojha monty and razzak too.
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For tests I'd go with Monty and Ojha and Herath.

Jadeja, Shakib, Vettori for ODIs.
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Old June 12, 2013, 04:14 PM
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Title is misleading, at first I thought of just SLA but know as a bowling unit, who would you have?
Remember minimum of two pacers: Wasim, Mcgrath, Warne, Murali, Ajmal.. whose yours?
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vettori use to be good, recently he hasn't been. in the last 3 years vettori has averaged 39 with a strike rate of 104.

jadeja, it's to soon to really know. he had a great start to his test career as a bowler and his FC bowling stats are great, time will tell.

shakib is pretty good but not currently the best, average of 32, strike rate of 68, needs a bit of improvement on those to be the best.

rehman, averaging 28, strike rate 66. an above average average, not the greatest strike rate. what's impressive is his wickets per match which is about 4.7. pakistan don't have the greatest bowling unit currently but ajmal and junaid khan are pretty good so rehman has done well to manage 4.7 wickets per test with them around him.

herath is probably the current best. in the last 3 years he's got 5 wickets per test match, averaged 25.66 and struck at 58.9. he's even better over the last 2 years getting 5.5 wickets a match at 24.29 striking at 56.8. in the last year he's got 6.1 wickets per test, averaged 23.65 and struck at 54.5.

so you're either looking at jadeja or herath. herath has a been getting better and better each year, jadeja is just starting out but has begun extremely well. i think herath's stats over the last year put him at least on par or perhaps above jadeja and add that he's been pretty good in the last 3 years overall then it seals it for me.

but we should bring this thread back up in a year and see where they are at.
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Old June 13, 2013, 12:11 AM
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Herath statistically better than Vettori. (test)

DL Vettori (ICC/NZ) 1997-2012 112 185 28670 12392 360 7/87 12/149 34.42 2.59 79.6 20 3
DL Underwood (Eng) 1966-1982 86 151 21862 7674 297 8/51 13/71 25.83 2.10 73.6 17 6
BS Bedi (India) 1966-1979 67 118 21364 7637 266 7/98 10/194 28.71 2.14 80.3 14 1
HMRKB Herath (SL) 1999-2013 47 83 12780 5904 200 7/89 12/157 29.52 2.77 63.9 16 3
GAR Lock (Eng) 1952-1968 49 88 13147 4451 174 7/35 11/48 25.58 2.03 75.5 9 3
Iqbal Qasim (Pak) 1976-1988 50 86 13019 4807 171 7/49 11/118 28.11 2.21 76.1 8 2
MS Panesar (Eng) 2006-2013 48 81 12050 5540 164 6/37 11/210 33.78 2.75 73.4 12 2
MH Mankad (India) 1946-1959 44 70 14686 5236 162 8/52 13/131 32.32 2.13 90.6 8 2
RJ Shastri (India) 1981-1992 80 125 15751 6185 151 5/75 8/179 40.96 2.35 104.3 2 0
H Verity (Eng) 1931-1939 40 73 11173 3510 144 8/43 15/104 24.37 1.88 77.5 5 2
AF Giles (Eng) 1998-2006 54 88 12180 5806 143 5/57 9/122 40.60 2.86 85.1 5 0
AL Valentine (WI) 1950-1962 36 63 12953 4215 139 8/104 11/204 30.32 1.95 93.1 8 2
PR Adams (SA) 1995-2004 45 76 8850 4405 134 7/128 10/106 32.87 2.98 66.0 4 1
W Rhodes (Eng) 1899-1930 58 90 8225 3425 127 8/68 15/124 26.96 2.49 64.7 6 1
PH Edmonds (Eng) 1975-1987 51 84 12028 4273 125 7/66 7/66 34.18 2.13 96.2 2 0
PCR Tufnell (Eng) 1990-2001 42 70 11288 4560 121 7/47 11/93 37.68 2.42 93.2 5 2
J Briggs (Eng) 1884-1899 33 49 5332 2095 118 8/11 15/28 17.75 2.35 45.1 9 4
DR Doshi (India) 1979-1983 33 55 9322 3502 114 6/102 8/103 30.71 2.25 81.7 6 0
Shakib Al Hasan (Ban) 2007-2013 30 50 7242 3476 106 7/36 9/115 32.79 2.87 68.3 9 0
PL Harris (SA) 2007-2011 37 63 8809 3901 103 6/127 9/161 37.87 2.65 85.5 3 0
PP Ojha (India) 2009-2013 22 44 7235 3242 102 6/47 9/165 31.78 2.68 70.9 5 0
JH Wardle (Eng) 1948-1957 28 52 6597 2080 102 7/36 12/89 20.39 1.89 64.6 5 1
R Peel (Eng) 1884-1896 20 35 5216 1715 101 7/31 11/68 16.98 1.97 51.6 5 1
C Blythe (Eng) 1901-1910 19 37 4546 1863 100 8/59 15/99 18.63 2.45 45.4 9 4
N Boje (SA) 2000-2006 43 72 8620 4265 100 5/62 8/134 42.65 2.96 86.2 3 0
Mohammad Rafique (Ban) 2000-2008 33 48 8744 4076 100 6/77 9/160 40.76 2.79 87.4 7 0
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Old June 13, 2013, 12:16 AM
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Herath has no prayers cause he got 31 wickets in 38 innings. (ODIs)

ST Jayasuriya (Asia/SL) 1989-2011 445 368 14874 11871 323 6/29 36.75 4.78 46.0 8 4
DL Vettori (ICC/NZ) 1997-2013 274 257 12999 8919 283 5/7 31.51 4.11 45.9 7 2
Abdur Razzak (Ban) 2004-2013 144 143 7491 5591 201 5/29 27.81 4.47 37.2 5 4
Shakib Al Hasan (Ban) 2006-2013 129 128 6578 4729 161 4/16 29.37 4.31 40.8 4 0
GB Hogg (Aus) 1996-2008 123 113 5564 4188 156 5/32 26.84 4.51 35.6 3 2
RJ Shastri (India) 1981-1992 150 136 6613 4650 129 5/15 36.04 4.21 51.2 2 1
Mohammad Rafique (Asia/Ban) 1995-2007 125 124 6414 4739 125 5/47 37.91 4.43 51.3 3 1
Yuvraj Singh (Asia/India) 2000-2013 282 154 4904 4137 109 5/31 37.95 5.06 44.9 2 1
GW Flower (Zim) 1992-2010 221 156 5462 4225 104 4/32 40.62 4.64 52.5 2 0
RW Price (Zim) 2002-2012 102 99 5374 3575 100 4/22 35.75 3.99 53.7 1 0
N Boje (Afr/SA) 1995-2005 115 108 4541 3415 96 5/21 35.57 4.51 47.3 2 1
Aamer Sohail (Pak) 1990-2000 156 125 4836 3703 85 4/22 43.56 4.59 56.8 1 0
RA Jadeja (India) 2009-2013 67 64 3114 2459 77 5/36 31.93 4.73 40.4 2 1
AR Border (Aus) 1979-1994 273 87 2661 2071 73 3/20 28.36 4.66 36.4 0 0
SB Joshi (India) 1996-2001 69 67 3386 2509 69 5/6 36.36 4.44 49.0 1 1
RJ Peterson (SA) 2002-2013 70 65 2902 2338 67 4/12 34.89 4.83 43.3 2 0
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T20 very surprising:

Abdur Razzak (Ban) 2006-2013 27 27 104.0 3 720 38 4/16 18.94 6.92 16.4 1 0
DL Vettori (NZ) 2007-2012 33 33 128.1 1 720 37 4/20 19.45 5.61 20.7 1 0
Shakib Al Hasan (Ban) 2006-2013 26 26 97.0 1 654 33 4/21 19.81 6.74 17.6 2 0
GH Dockrell (Ire) 2010-2012 19 18 64.4 1 372 27 4/20 13.77 5.75 14.3 1 0
Yuvraj Singh (India) 2007-2012 33 21 52.4 0 373 23 3/17 16.21 7.08 13.7 0 0
RJ Peterson (SA) 2006-2013 20 18 55.5 1 423 21 3/30 20.14 7.57 15.9 0 0
ST Jayasuriya (SL) 2006-2011 31 24 61.5 0 456 19 3/21 24.00 7.37 19.5 0 0
PM Seelaar (Neth) 2008-2013 17 16 57.0 2 358 19 4/19 18.84 6.28 18.0 1 0
SJ Benn (WI) 2008-2010 17 17 59.0 3 414 15 4/6 27.60 7.01 23.6 1 0
SO Ngoche (Kenya) 2010-2013 12 12 36.3 0 251 15 4/14 16.73 6.87 14.6 2 0
RE van der Merwe (SA) 2009-2010 13 13 44.0 0 305 14 2/14 21.78 6.93 18.8 0 0
RW Price (Zim) 2008-2012 16 16 61.3 4 378 13 2/6 29.07 6.14 28.3 0 0
HA Varaiya (Kenya) 2007-2013 18 17 57.2 1 336 12 2/19 28.00 5.86 28.6 0 0
Abdur Rehman (Pak) 2007-2011 7 7 25.0 0 174 11 2/7 15.81 6.96 13.6 0 0
MH Yardy (Eng) 2006-2011 14 13 46.0 0 299 11 2/19 27.18 6.50 25.0 0 0
PP Ojha (India) 2009-2010 6 6 21.0 0 132 10 4/21 13.20 6.28 12.6 1 0
XJ Doherty (Aus) 2012-2013 10 10 35.0 0 276 9 3/20 30.66 7.88 23.3 0 0
Elias Sunny (Ban) 2012-2012 7 7 23.0 1 146 9 5/13 16.22 6.34 15.3 0 1
NO Miller (WI) 2009-2010 7 7 25.4 0 174 9 2/20 19.33 6.77 17.1 0 0
Fawad Alam (Pak) 2007-2010 24 6 15.0 0 95 8 3/7 11.87 6.33 11.2 0 0
RA Jadeja (India) 2009-2012 14 14 45.4 2 331 7 2/26 47.28 7.24 39.1 0 0
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Old June 13, 2013, 03:25 AM
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Surely you guy's should look at the fact that most of the game's herath played is in sub continent where the wicket help's alot, no? My point was Vettori to have that kind of stats being a New Zeland player is pretty impressive.
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It has to be Herath. Herath bowled well when SL toured Australia. Shakib has lost his shine with the ball of recent times in tests.
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Surely you guy's should look at the fact that most of the game's herath played is in sub continent where the wicket help's alot, no? My point was Vettori to have that kind of stats being a New Zeland player is pretty impressive.
tbh herath hasn't really played enough outside of sri lanka to really know what he's capable in other conditions, so i think you do have grounds to somewhat question him. he's played 27 tests in sri lanka, the most he's played anywhere else is 3. he played 2 in pakistan and did pretty good (average 29, strike rate 58), but in his 3 test matches in india he didn't do well. did ok in his 3 matches in south africa averaging 27 but striking at 69. his 3 matches in australia he averaged 33, striking at 67. he's only played one match in NZ and averaged 40 striking at 82 so you can't really compare but if you did vettori having played 57 of his matches in NZ averages 37 striking at 84. that's a b it of a difference, we don't know whether herath would out perform vettori in NZ but i reckon he would in the long run but obviously it can't be proved.
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i think when you get right down to it, in tests herath has been the best over the last 3 years, and possibly the best in the last 12 months with jadeja being the only one that can contend with him over the last 12 months.

as far as ODIs, razzak is currently the best, and though we don't think about it he's quite possibly the best ever left arm spinner in ODIs. let's just take the top 15 wicket takers in ODIs (who bowl left arm spin). there are only 3 players who average less than 30. hogg averages 26, razzak averages 27 and shakib averages 29. razzak is the #2 wicket taker on the list, that's better than both hogg and shakib (shakib is actually #3 for wickets). both hogg and razzak average better and strike better than shakib. hogg averages and strikes better than razzak, his econ rate is just slightly more than razzak's. so i guess statistically hogg is the greatest left arm spinner ever for ODIs (though that can be argued as razzak has more wickets), however he bowled chinaman, that's a different style to razzak.

that makes razzak the current best left arm slow bowler in ODIs.

so for ODIs top 3 are hogg, razzak and shakib. hogg was the best left arm chinaman bowler, razzak is the best left arm orthodox with shakib being the clear #3 (both in terms of how far ahead he is of #4 and how far behind is from both razzak and hogg).
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It felt good to hear that Razzak is possibly the best ever SLA in ODIs. He never got the credit that he deserves.
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It felt good to hear that Razzak is possibly the best ever SLA in ODIs. He never got the credit that he deserves.
Deserves to get more recognition, I think because he sucked so bad in the tests he played that its kind of tainted his reputation to the cricketing world. But credit where credit is due, there's no doubt he's one of the best SLAs to play ODIs.
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That 37 SR is great for any SLA. His 200 ODI wickets is first for any BD player. I am sure Shakib will get there as well but getting there first has its own perks. Mo Rafique first 100.
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Jadeja seem's to have more Variation than Shakib.
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Majority of Razzak's best innings wickets are against Zimbabwe, Scotland and Canada. only has a 5 wicket against Sri Lanka from the top 8 teams.
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Currently(or current form):

In shorter formats, Abdur Razzak.
In Longer formats, Rangana Herath.



All time: Daniel Vettori
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In shorter formats, Abdur Razzak.
In Longer formats, Rangana Herath.



All time: Daniel Vettori
how vettori? just because you have the most wickets doesn't mean you are the best.
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If we're talking about all time, the 2 names that comes to my mind are Derek Underwood (if you can call him a SLA) and Bishen Bedi. Vettori, although a great bowler himself, does not yet belong to the same category as the other 2 gentlemen.
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If we're talking about all time, the 2 names that comes to my mind are Derek Underwood (if you can call him a SLA) and Bishen Bedi. Vettori, although a great bowler himself, does not yet belong to the same category as the other 2 gentlemen.
the issue with these 2 is that they played a fair amount on uncovered wickets giving them better conditions to bowl in than modern left arm spinners, yet they still had very high strike rates. let's give herath his credit here, he average 29 (bedi averages 28 - only slightly better) and his strike rate is just 63.9 which is head and shoulders above underwood, bedi or vettori who all strike at over 70 and in fact bedi strikes at 80.3 with vettori striking at 79.6.

i don't see how bedi or vettori come close to herath. underwood has a case due to his average being in the 25s, otherwise you have to start looking at guys from much earlier to contend with but again they had the advantage of uncovered wickets as did undewood and bedi.
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the issue with these 2 is that they played a fair amount on uncovered wickets giving them better conditions to bowl in than modern left arm spinners, yet they still had very high strike rates. let's give herath his credit here, he average 29 (bedi averages 28 - only slightly better) and his strike rate is just 63.9 which is head and shoulders above underwood, bedi or vettori who all strike at over 70 and in fact bedi strikes at 80.3 with vettori striking at 79.6.

i don't see how bedi or vettori come close to herath. underwood has a case due to his average being in the 25s, otherwise you have to start looking at guys from much earlier to contend with but again they had the advantage of uncovered wickets as did undewood and bedi.
I agree Vettori for some reason has not performed well against India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, where as Herath has done better than him, In terms of ODI I think Vettori is an out-right winner. Maybe we will have a better understanding when Herath reach's 100 ODI's.
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