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Old October 25, 2018, 09:54 PM
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Post Bangladesh Selection Fiasco

Selection has always been a major debate in Bangladesh Cricket. For some reason, almost 100% of the time the think tank, the media, the fans and the actual selection committee cannot agree on a certain squad. I know I have been a big critique of our selection committee over the past. I have always thought our selectors are simply incompetent in differentiating different formats and operate from a special place in la la land when it comes to balancing prospect and experience. However, the recent selection fiasco starting from the West Indies series has given me the impression that our selectors are not incompetent but blatantly corrupt and dangerously arrogant.


As I mentioned, it started to get worse from the West Indies series with a few questionable moves. Not much could’ve said at that time since the test series was such a disaster and those minor changes may have not impacted the result. However, fast forwarding to the Asia Cup, it just got worse where they for whatever reason picked Mominul Haque who has struggled in the shorter format for as long as memory serves and picked an uncapped Nazmul Hossain Shanto for a condition even our seniors are not used to playing in. We know what happened after that. The entire tour was a top order disaster only to be rescued by Mushy, Imrul and Liton in separate games. They also picked Ariful and despite our batting failures throughout the tournament he did not get a chance to play a single game. Towards the end of the Asia cup they flew in Imrul Kayes and Soumya Sarkar straight from NCL which surprisingly our skipper had no knowledge about. Why bother consulting the skipper anyways right?


Following a successful Asia Cup, most people obviously forgot about how terribly our top order was exposed thanks to the selectors stupidity more than anything. With multiple injuries, it was expected that the selectors would be forced to make some proper changes to the lineup against Zimbabwe which is essentially a trial and error series at this point. Even though they made the changes but once again, it was ridiculous. They picked an uncapped Fazle Rabbi who despite having a decent A tour, has a track record of being a very average player. The selectors made a complete mockery by calling a “complete package” just because he was capable of rolling his arm for a few overs in domestic games. From the given lineup, once again Ariful and Abu Hider was ignored for second series in a row. Shanto who had a miserable tournament at no fault of his, was benched for the first two ODIs where really should’ve played every game in the tour. Imrul who was brought in as a middle order batsman in Asia Cup despite the top order struggle is now slotted back to open the innings. If I were Imrul, I would wake up every day to wonder what my batting position will be in the next game. What was even more surprising was the drop of Soumya Sarker who got picked in the middle of Asia Cup and again discarded for the ODI series. But wait! Soumya having scored a 100 in an academy ground and a few 50s in NCL which is a different format all together, got picked AGAIN in the middle of the series for the last ODI. Unsurprisingly enough, our skipper was once again unaware of this out of nowhere inclusion. This must be an added migraine to Mashrafe who is having trouble giving chances to the guys already in the team and all of them deserving game time.


Finally, the recent selections for the practice game and the test series is just beyond anyone’s understanding. Picking Ariful, Mithun, Shafiul, Khaled, Nazmul which is essentially 33% of the squad undeserving of the opportunity when there are players like Tushar Imran, Al Amin Hossain, Nurul Hasan that are far better candidates based on their past performance in the team or form in the domestics. The test team which has been struggling for last 18 years was begging for experience and there is simply no one better then Tushar Imran who has been scoring runs for fun for the past 2 years consistently. But he was ignored because apparently our domestic statistics doesn’t mean jack s**t in internationals. But again someone like Khaled Ahmed was picked because of the same jack s**t league performance. Contradictory much? What’s even more pathetic is that almost none of the players from the practice match squad that the selectors announced just a day before are not in the actual squad. You would think they would wait till the end of that practice to see how some of those fringe players doing. But picking squad is just a game for these guys at this point.


I have been calling all of these mistakes pure incompetence but I don’t think so anymore. Every time a reporter asks our chief selector Minhazul Abedin Nannu about a certain questionable selection, he has a templated response ready and it sounds like this: “We are going through a process” and then when asked about discarding seniors, he has another template, “Look, if someone performs in domestic it does not necessarily mean they will perform in internationals” Well Mr. Genius, if you knew so well how come after all these years you have failed to have some kind of permanence into any of our squads? If your beer pong strategy of picking players worked, we wouldn’t need to debut a new player every single series.


Our selectors are destroying out young talents and wasting our experienced veterans and one would think it’s an honest mistake but at this point it has gotten to a point of arrogance. Our selectors are not held accountable for any of the failures and as a result, they have been having a free reign on who they pick and choose. They pick uncapped guys from their own affiliated cricket clubs (Mohor Sheikh), they rotate around players without any consideration to their specialty, suitable format and then come up with some bulls**t excuse in the end. These selectors wouldn’t last one series for any other cricket board but in BCB, I guess money is the only thing that really talks.


Shame on these corrupt, arrogant individuals that were actually representing our country at one point. Singlehandedly destroying our talent and relying on our core players to bail them out every time.
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Old October 25, 2018, 10:48 PM
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A timely write up - honest and accurate reflection.

Fazle Mahmud has average in the the 30s both for List A and First Class matches. If someone is in the 30s in domestic, how can they get picked? I understand that our domestic is sub par in terms of quality, but still it should mean something. Otherwise, what is the point? Stat should be given some importance, and the players should not be picked randomly. Otherwise, this no transparent selection process will only demotivate the existing players on NCL - because it is a message that their performance means nothing.

Also, it is simply outrageous to not select Nurul in the squad. Also it is equally outrageous to overlook Al Amin while keeping Shafiul in the squad!

And who does call up players from the middle of a match? Soumya has been called from the middle of a domestic match for the third ODI. Imrul was also called up in the same manner - from the middle of a match - for Asia cup. And Imrul has proved that ignoring him - despite his recent average being in the 40s - was a BIG mistake.

As much as we dislike Papon Khalu, he has at times showed better selection acumen than the current group of imbeciles, namely Habibul and Nannu.
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Old October 25, 2018, 11:32 PM
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The selection panel and the medical team both need to be fired.
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Old October 25, 2018, 11:34 PM
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Yeah at least Faruk was better than the current selection team
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Old October 25, 2018, 11:47 PM
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There will always be questionable selections but some of the selections I have been seeing this year are completely outrageous. They make no sense and there is no consistency in terms of who is getting selected.

Mosaddek is a good example. When he was doing okay in ODIs, he was shoehorned into T20Is which is not his format but since he was okay in ODIs, he must be okay in T20Is too. He failed miserably. All while everyone on this forum knew that his talent would be best utilized in the longer format. But guess what? His form dipped in ODIs and now he is not part of the test squad anymore because of his form in ODIs.

Same way Soumya and Sabbir were shoehorned into the test format because of their form in ODIs and T20Is. Oh and the outrageous reasoning for Sabbir's inclusion was so that he can get some practice in tests since he is banned in the domestics. Yup you read that right.

There is a sense of scare amongst the newer players and all this constant chopping and cutting does more harm to newer players than getting a good long run and getting cut. You will never get the best out of any player if they are always in the state of nervousness.
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Old October 26, 2018, 11:35 AM
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Overnight, Soumya's selection ki khub kharap theke khub bhalo hoye galo?
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Old October 26, 2018, 11:43 AM
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Overnight, Soumya's selection ki khub kharap theke khub bhalo hoye galo?
Should have been picked from the get go.
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Wait till Mr president comes out and tells us how he made a last call on selecting sharkar. This guy is all about taking credit even when no one asked
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Wait till Mr president comes out and tells us how he made a last call on selecting sharkar. This guy is all about taking credit even when no one asked
Lol I can imagine him giving his fatherly anecodotes
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Old October 26, 2018, 11:53 AM
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Should have been picked from the get go.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Even when a player is off form and comes back in form.

Guess general consensus is now shanto on Shanto.
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People who try to point out Fazle's List A average go and check his List A average in the past year. Poor early performances were the reason for lowering his average. However I was against his selection because when the selectors chose him, their intention was to use him as an allrounder and that's why he got selected.
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People who try to point out Fazle's List A average go and check his List A average in the past year. Poor early performances were the reason for lowering his average. However I was against his selection because when the selectors chose him, their intention was to use him as an allrounder and that's why he got selected.
We needed a few overs from the #3. Shakib's bowling was replaced by a bowling AR (Saif) and a batting AR (#3). That's standard.

But yeah, they picked the best option from domestics based on current form and ability. The outcry about Fazle's selection and Shanto's exclusion made/makes no sense.
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We needed a few overs from the #3. Shakib's bowling was replaced by a bowling AR (Saif) and a batting AR (#3). That's standard.

But yeah, they picked the best option from domestics based on current form and ability. The outcry about Fazle's selection and Shanto's exclusion made/makes no sense.
Ok so since he is the best available domestic player... i guess we shouldnt have dropped him from the squad and he should be playing every game until Shakib returns right?
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Overnight, Soumya's selection ki khub kharap theke khub bhalo hoye galo?
His whole drop and pick process has been wrong. He shouldnt have been picked in the middle of Asia Cup and then dropped again and then made skipper for a practice game based on performance for a different format and then drop him AGAIN and then pick him AGAIN. See my sentence doesnt even make sense and thats because this whole process doesnt either
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But yeah, they picked the best option from domestics based on current form and ability. The outcry about Fazle's selection and Shanto's exclusion made/makes no sense.
It has to be something else that resulted in his selection not domestic performance. If you are comparing Fazle with Shanto.

In Dhaka premier Divsion:

Shanto: Runs-749, Avg-57, SR-97, Centuries-4, Half Centuries-2

Fazle: Runs-708, Avg-47, SR-73, Centuries-2, Half centuries-3

May be the selectors saw something else in him.
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Instead of calling in the 30 year old complete package they could have kept Soumya in the squad and even given Shanto a few games, they need to be consistent about this giving chances thing. After Rabby fails two times our captain is saying he needs more chances but yet shanto gets dropped after two matches and gets overtaken by Rabby in the next series in the pecking order
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Ok so since he is the best available domestic player... i guess we shouldnt have dropped him from the squad and he should be playing every game until Shakib returns right?
I wanted Fazle to start today's game. So, yes, right as far as this series is concerned.

Making quick changes in Asia Cup were fine because it was a bigger competition, against tougher opponents, and they were games we needed to win. And the necessary changes did bear fruit. But we could've been more patient against Zimbabwe.

But having said that, this one change in the last game isn't that huge of a deal. He did fail in three games including practice match and scored two ducks.

As far as Soumya is concerned, he needed to keep playing - whether in domestic league or for NT - while still hot and build on current form and confidence and not sit on the bench.

tl;dr ODI selections have hardly been a big issue. Put your pitchforks away.
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It has to be something else that resulted in his selection not domestic performance. If you are comparing Fazle with Shanto.

In Dhaka premier Divsion:

Shanto: Runs-749, Avg-57, SR-97, Centuries-4, Half Centuries-2

Fazle: Runs-708, Avg-47, SR-73, Centuries-2, Half centuries-3

May be the selectors saw something else in him.
Once again, Fazle can bowl a bit, Shanto can't.

A key bowler got replaced by a bowling AR and a batting AR.

Cricket 101.

It was Fazle or Soumya. Shanto was in the squad purely as a backup bat.
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I wanted Fazle to start today's game. So, yes, right as far as this series is concerned.

Making quick changes in Asia Cup were fine because it was a bigger competition, against tougher opponents, and they were games we needed to win. And the necessary changes did bear fruit. But we could've been more patient against Zimbabwe.

But having said that, this one change in the last game isn't that huge of a deal. He did fail in three games including practice match and scored two ducks.

As far as Soumya is concerned, he needed to keep playing - whether in domestic league or for NT - while still hot and build on current form and confidence and not sit on the bench.

tl;dr ODI selections have hardly been a big issue. Put your pitchforks away.
I cant believe you think ODI selection hasnt been an issue after watching an entire tournament of top order failures. I respect your opinion but I stick to mine
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I cant believe you think ODI selection hasnt been an issue after watching an entire tournament of top order failures. I respect your opinion but I stick to mine
Only big issue was playing an injured Shakib. One of the most ridiculous things I've heard of lately.

And Imrul being ignored time and again is an ongoing theme. But the same fans who have their pitchforks out have also been anti-Imrul.
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Once again, Fazle can bowl a bit, Shanto can't.

A key bowler got replaced by a bowling AR and a batting AR.

Cricket 101.

It was Fazle or Soumya. Shanto was in the squad purely as a backup bat.
Fazle can bowl a bit? seriously? 27 wickets in 86 games.. and thats how he replaced Shakib as an AR?
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Naeem islam was a better option than fazle, last DPL Naeem scored more runs in less innings than fazle at a higher strike rate, with a higher average (55) and he’s probably a better bowler it’s 112 wickets in 190 list A matches at an average of 30.
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Once again, Fazle can bowl a bit, Shanto can't.

A key bowler got replaced by a bowling AR and a batting AR.

Cricket 101.

It was Fazle or Soumya. Shanto was in the squad purely as a backup bat.
How many overs Fazle bowled in the ODI matches which he played?
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^Fazle bowls pies.. worse than Mominul. We need to be looking for a genuine batsmen at 3 rather than a bits and pieces all rounder.
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