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Old December 4, 2013, 01:50 AM
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Default BCCI, a friend or a long term threat to Bangladesh Cricket?

Nobody can deny the help BCCI has provided to Bangladesh cricket in getting the ICC granting us Test status and full ICC membership. They have been the side also to come here and play us in our inaugural test match. Back in those days (early 2000s) we have enjoyed great relationships with BCCI and other South Asian boards in general. The administrators at the time for all boards seemed to have a different philosophy compared to what it is today.

Ever since the invention of T-20 and primarily the IPL we have started seeing a different breed of Administrators more focused on bottom lines and revenue streams rather than cricket development.

We have come to see BCCI pursue it's self interest ruthlessly by poaching top cricketers from around the world for IPL but refusing to let Indian players participate anywhere else. We have seen more or less all cricket boards suffering because of IPL with their own players wanting to play the lucrative tournament over national team duties. Sri Lanka had problems with Malinga Sangakara and co. West Indies with Gayle and co. England with Pietersen etc etc. Even though IPL made a lot of money through the participation of foreign stars the revenue was not really shared with other boards.
We have seen BCCI hammering the point home that India is the biggest financial contributor to ICC and world cricket and hence had the right to dictate terms in terms of DRS, who should be board president of other countries etc etc.

Now in the latest news we hear that BCCI is asking to scrap the equal revenue sharing policy by ICC and determine this through the percentage of contribution.

In light of all this what do you guys think BCB's stance should be? Do we keep bending over backwards to please BCCI and try to be in its favorable side? Do we try to forge stronger partnerships with other boards? Do you guys think BCCI's actions will ultimately be beneficial to the game of cricket itself?

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Old December 4, 2013, 02:16 AM
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At this moment all i can say...... Not a good cricketing relation shown by bcci... They r the only country putting us shame front of others for not inviting in their soil... So i will say... Yes they help from the begaining...... But its too much push back now.... Which not a good sign for us to salam them everytime whenever we seeing them... Its time for us to speak up & say yes or no to them for our own image..... Instead of being doll.
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Even their tv rights is cheating with us with millions of $$$$$$$..... So what is it? What kind of help we r getting from them accept tamasha????? Atleast we would play better than westindies or newzeland in thier soil......
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Old December 4, 2013, 03:19 AM
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Neither a friend, neither a threat. But relation between both boards has to do a lot with "IPL". WI players being popular with Indian fans means that the WI get to have more series against India and even other sides. Our players on the other hand are given zero value in IPL. I am not drawing a correlation between IPL and FTP, but what really explains BD being deprived of international tours despite being successful in the last few years. Whereas we struggled in 04/05/08/09 yet we got plenty of tours in the upcoming years. Makes no sense really.

Coincidence or not, ever since IPL began, Bangladesh improved but yet we got fewer tours. One thing for sure, IPL has cut down on the window between april and may which is a prime time for a series in Bangladesh or if necessary a series overseas against some other team.
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Old December 4, 2013, 05:30 AM
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BCCI can get away with whatever they like that's because there is no fix set of law. When you can make your own law do you need to care?

Only way to deal with it is to get all other board work together.
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Neither. BCCI acts in its own interest. At times these interests benefit Bangladesh (needing votes in the ICC and hence Test status support) and times it hurts (revenue loss leading to no India tour for Bangladesh).

However, looking at the bigger picture, everything the BCCI does to further its own interest hurts the global game which in turn hurts Bangladesh and every other country except for India. The global game may soon start to look more like American Football or Baseball and not like Soccer/Football. Cricket as a global competition will disappear - there will be rare (if any) inter-country tours and competitions and a few inra-country leagues but there will be just one dominant league - the IPL.

This will be an Indian World Series just like Baseball has its World Series with mercenary refugee players from other nations will find cash and coverage but that pool too might die out.

Baseball today would be like the first version of the evolution of cricket. Yes, Baseball is till played around the world and there are strong leagues such as in Japan, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Korea, Panama etc. With the exception of in Japan, most players from other nations want to end up in the MLB.

American football represents the other extreme. Virtually dominant in one country and with its own players (yes, we have a few Samoans and assorted Canadians). That may be Cricket''s future as the BCCI wields it powers.
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Old December 4, 2013, 06:21 AM
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What worries me is the ruthless nature of business adopted by BCCI. Look at the way they ostracized ICL and then Sri Lankan Premier league by refusing to send players at the last moment. They have pretty much dictated terms to South African board regarding its own hiring and curtailed a pre-agreed tour to milk more money out of the Tendulkar retirement series at home. None of the actions of BCCI show any sign of an approach where by all boards can attain collective prosperity. It all seems to be about India and only Indian cricket development. One might argue it is not their job to care about others and that is a fair point as long as their actions are not detrimental to the overall game. I believe it is harming the overall game and pushing other boards to adopt a similar approach (failed attempt by ECB with Stamford), Big Bash ahead of longer version cricket in Australia.
Test cricket has largely been sidelined and crowded schedules has led to viewer fatigue.
The FTP has never been this biased against smaller teams... and I am really afraid about what will come next or if a situation arises where BCB finds itself in a position of conflict with BCCI
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I think BCCI is killing the game. All they care about is revenue.

The bilateral series has to go. They have no significance if one looks at bigger picture. NZ-WI series, back to back PAK-SA series holds no meaning. Even the die hard fans don't know much about rankings and points.

Cricket needs to be played on a calendar basis. Build a 2 year calendar for tests in a league format with home/away games. 10 teams can sustain a league for 2 years and it will give meaning to each games (even BAN-ZIM) ones. Then a test championship with top 4 teams. I think ICC has something like this in planning but I am not sure BCCI will approve it. This will mean playing more with the likes of NZ/BAN/ZIM and reduction in revenue. They will rather have more IPL matches or play with SL.
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BCCI, a friend or a long term threat to Bangladesh Cricket?
Both. As Zunaid bhai said, at times, BCCI's action might go to our favour and vice versa.
But I think in regards to Bangladesh cricket...it is BCB who is our biggest threat...

BCB > from head to tail corrupt officials who are holding the positions just for money and power.
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We need to be on their good side.
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Neither. BCCI acts in its own interest. At times these interests benefit Bangladesh (needing votes in the ICC and hence Test status support) and times it hurts (revenue loss leading to no India tour for Bangladesh).

However, looking at the bigger picture, everything the BCCI does to further its own.....snipped.
not bad. good foresight, agree 100 percent with your post. like the way u think.....now next question, which stock for next 5 years? :p
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not bad. Good foresight, agree 100 percent with your post. Like the way u think.....now next question, which stock for next 5 years? :p
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not bad. good foresight, agree 100 percent with your post. like the way u think.....now next question, which stock for next 5 years? :p
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Both. As Zunaid bhai said, at times, BCCI's action might go to our favour and vice versa.
But I think in regards to Bangladesh cricket...it is BCB who is our biggest threat...

BCB > from head to tail corrupt officials who are holding the positions just for money and power.
Well said!

BCB is our biggest threat without a doubt. Irish board offered us a full tour at their own turf, and our beloved BCB rejected the offer. Now imagine how important the tour us! We have not played a full tour outside the Sub Continent or Zimbabwe for some time(3 years) not to mention, we had the oppurtunity to show the world that there is a considerable difference between Ireland and Bangladesh.

And BCB's poor management of BPL has destroyed our image to an extent. In the future, foreign players will be harder to comeby. And not putting the entire blame on our president - Papon. Papon deserve's a lion share of the blame but he is not alone. The same way we cannot only blame Khaleda zia for his troubles because she does not operate alone
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The BCCI clique of nations will gladly take a funding cut.
1 Indian rights withdrawn.
2 indian money for resue efforts.
They have windies,bangladesh,zimbabwe,pakistan and srilanka over a barrel,either toe the line or get cut.
These nations would cut their throat to keep bcci onside.
Laxman sivaramakrishnan voted in by the icc,not contacted FICA in 6 months,and he is the now the bcci player rep.
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Few things to understand:

1. India is not helping us: well, we have not been enough diplomatic to earn a tour, our relationship has worsened with them over the years because we had no one in BCB who can keep the relationship nice, no one is responsible for the Indian account. But I do agree that Indian administration is very selfish and ony think about their cash and don't give a damn care to other countries. Just look at Harron Lorgat's case. They played a dirty role here. Very nasty indeed.

2. Is it India who doesn't invite us or it's us who thinks getting India in our country generates more money? Do we really care about sending our team in India and get more exposure? Or we want more money, more tours and more profit? Not to mention that money generated in the 'background' as a result of an Indian tour to this country. Once a BCCI president was asked why they don't invite us then the president hinted to the then BCB president who was standing right beside him and said ask him!

3. India probably won't want us to get bigger than them, it's natural. But we have to earn the respect and I believe we are on our way to do so. An Indian tour is around the corner for sure. A good show in Asia cup and WT20 will ensure it hopefully.

Hoping to write more on this later.
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Jadukar,
tumi politics'er kisui bujho na? membership ki emney disey? Amra member hoiley tader ki labh?
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Oder hishaab nikash jai thakuk amader toh laav hoise. Sheita acknowledge kortey khoti ki?
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BCCI is a selfish and brutish board. CSA-BCCI beef proved that. Its something we have to accept. PCB is no better as they tried to blackmail our team to send our players on a tour of that drone-infested and God-forsaken land. We have to accept the realities on the ground.

Fortunately BCCI has sent their team to tour more than any of the other top nations, at considerable financial benefit to our board. We must maintain that. BCB is probably as unwilling to give up that cash as the BCCI is of hosting us. I hardly see how WI/NZ tours could be more profitable than one featuring us, but then again both those teams have several players in IPL each and that is probably the decider. BCCI is prejudiced against our players joining the IPL, and if that changes, then BD will automatically be a more attractive team to host.

We must attempt to maintain amicable if not good relations with both BCCI and PCB, while knowing that both boards could at anytime stab us in the back as PCB has already done and BCCI has done with CSA.

We must also get good leadership within the BCB too bring in more tours against the other teams. I just opened a new thread and there are ample gaps in the FTP to gain at least a few more matches.

In the end the king-makers are BCCI, CA, ECB and we just have to accept that.
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Now it seems they are not only a threat to bd cricket but to the overall sport itself. ICC needs to be run by cricketers... these current business people will spell the end of cricket
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Lets see what the full details and fine print of this new proposal is. If the minor countries can get legally binding 'bilateral' agreements for charity tours, status quo will be maintained.
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Neither. BCCI acts in its own interest. At times these interests benefit Bangladesh (needing votes in the ICC and hence Test status support) and times it hurts (revenue loss leading to no India tour for Bangladesh).

However, looking at the bigger picture, everything the BCCI does to further its own interest hurts the global game which in turn hurts Bangladesh and every other country except for India. The global game may soon start to look more like American Football or Baseball and not like Soccer/Football. Cricket as a global competition will disappear - there will be rare (if any) inter-country tours and competitions and a few inra-country leagues but there will be just one dominant league - the IPL.

This will be an Indian World Series just like Baseball has its World Series with mercenary refugee players from other nations will find cash and coverage but that pool too might die out.

Baseball today would be like the first version of the evolution of cricket. Yes, Baseball is till played around the world and there are strong leagues such as in Japan, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Korea, Panama etc. With the exception of in Japan, most players from other nations want to end up in the MLB.

American football represents the other extreme. Virtually dominant in one country and with its own players (yes, we have a few Samoans and assorted Canadians). That may be Cricket''s future as the BCCI wields it powers.
The last para foretold the current initiative - except that BCCI is joined by the ECB and CA.
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The last para foretold the current initiative - except that BCCI is joined by the ECB and CA.
Hope it won't come true, although we fear.

They can't get it approved IF other 7 countries oppose the proposal. If the rest of the 7 threat and constitute a separate governing body and boycott the current ICC then it mght be a different story. Let the big 3 play with each other, how long they will sustain? They will be bored within a short time.

Cricket and Baseball is not same, they have diffrerent story. I guess the big 3 won't want to break the ICC too, they just want more money without breaking the ICC.
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Hope it won't come true, although we fear.

They can't get it approved IF other 7 countries oppose the proposal. If the rest of the 7 threat and constitute a separate governing body and boycott the current ICC then it mght be a different story. Let the big 3 play with each other, how long they will sustain? They will be bored within a short time.

Cricket and Baseball is not same, they have diffrerent story. I guess the big 3 won't want to break the ICC too, they just want more money without breaking the ICC.

Let's stand up ...
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