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Old August 17, 2014, 04:47 AM
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What do you expect from the new coach of our cricket team? Do you think he will do better?
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Old August 17, 2014, 12:09 PM
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He will trust me.

Hathu has balls which you need to deal with a team of underachieving nd yet egoistic bunch of cats.

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Old August 17, 2014, 12:59 PM
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Looks like he is slowly stamping his authority. He already got the coaching staff he wanted from BCB, well almost. Things are looking lot more under control so far which is a good sign.
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Old August 18, 2014, 02:13 PM
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Looks like he is slowly stamping his authority. He already got the coaching staff he wanted from BCB, well almost. Things are looking lot more under control so far which is a good sign.
Right,so far it looks undercontrol of him. He have a good coaching stuff with him specially Hith Streak. His starting is not bad.
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Old August 19, 2014, 09:23 AM
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Tamim back in form (Although warm up match), so thats a good sign as well.
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Old August 19, 2014, 08:55 PM
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http://newagebd.net/41298/experience....22goNKZR.dpbs

In Sri Lanka its not unusual for 30 year olds getting call ups and peaking at a late age. This is unheard of in Bangladesh. Interesting to see if Hathurusingha can change this.
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Old August 19, 2014, 09:23 PM
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Great to see coach H having the likes of Junaid, SN, Rock and Shahadat work on their games. Good point also in the article about how there is a lack of planning for the players once their discarded. It's a big reason why we see our players disappearing once they get dropped. Other countries have players make comebacks even when their older a la Misbah, Tharanga, Hayden etc.

I know these players weren't the greatest when they played, but it's still really important that they aren't forgotten and still challenge the younger players because they have one advantage that other players don't have and that's international experience. If they can really improve their games, it can only help us. Competition can only help the team.
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Old August 20, 2014, 08:41 AM
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I hope the coach works on Junaid Siddique for the T20 format. Probably the biggest hitter we have and definitely the most powerfully built batsman. Zia is all slog, but Junaid is more clean in his hitting.
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Old August 22, 2014, 01:48 PM
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Extremely disappointed with the new coach. Or maybe I am just too frustrated now.

Horrible team selection
Ignoring Mominul and playing both Kayes/Shamsur
Still too many dot balls
Everyone knew WI will bowl bouncers and batsmen are easily falling for it
Still playing Gazi
What is the role of Riyad
No plan for Narine

These are simple enough things to fix. All the hype and supposedly feel good articles in paper about his vision and tough attitude proved to be worthless. He will last till WC and then we will get another clown.
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Old August 22, 2014, 03:29 PM
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Old August 22, 2014, 03:35 PM
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People should realize it was never the coaches.
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Old August 22, 2014, 03:40 PM
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^^ If it was never the coaches then why spend $50K per month on group coaches who cant make any impact?

We saw clear positive impact on coaches in the team performance: Siddons, Whatmore, Pont, Law, Saqlain etc.

I am afraid, the new head coach is not good enough at this level.
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Old August 22, 2014, 03:47 PM
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Cause half the team is woefully out of form, and still being persisted with because of our genius selectors and board. No world class coach can turn this team into winners, when half batsmen in our team is as useless as our number 11 with the bat.
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Old August 22, 2014, 04:03 PM
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^ Form does not matter, because it is coaches job to select the team based on players form, opposition strength/weakness etc. It is his job to revive players form through proper planning and proper guidance. If the coach knew some players were out of form he could have asked the selectors to give him some other set players. Selectors gave him as many as 25 players to chose form.

For example, he could have taken other spinners ahead of Gazi. I am sorry but I did not see any sign of smart coaching in gameplan. It is all same old. As if Mushfiq owns this team and do whatever he wants to do in the field, starting from team selection.

I am afraid this coach is nowhere near Whatmore, Law, Pont in terms of coaching capability.
Morning shows the day and he is simply not good enough to lead a Test team.
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Old August 22, 2014, 05:44 PM
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Only 2 games and you already started blaming the coaches.

Blame the selectors for selecting 4 openers. Blame them for selecting gazi, razzak, and riyad.
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Old August 22, 2014, 06:17 PM
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It was never about the coach & it will never be about the coach, the best a coach can do is prepare every player to perform well but nothing guarantees that the player will perform well.
To improve a team u need consistent players like Mushy, Bijoy, Sakib, AlAmin .
Unfortunately we have a bunch of inconsistent or out of form players in the team, to make it worse we don't have good enough players to replace them.
In 2012-2013 we didn't win those matches because of the coach but it was all about these same players being in good form.
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Old August 22, 2014, 08:13 PM
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Exactly, 'You can lead the horse to the water, but you can't make it drink it'
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Old August 22, 2014, 09:23 PM
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doesn't matter who was selected, 70 all out is atrocious either way and should have been better regardless of the players picked.

this is where as fans it's tough to judge because we don't have all the facts. the coach may have had poor game plans or given bad advice or he might have given much different game plans and advice to what was actually implemented.

how do we know the coach didn't say look for singles, keep the strike rotating and put away the boundary balls?

the other thing is how experienced are mushy, tamim, riyad, razzak, mash? they've all played 100+ ODIs, i think riyad's played 104, tamim 129, mash 138, mushy 134 and razzak 152 that's 657 matches combined and they played most of those matches together so they've got plenty of individual and group experience to blame it on the coach imo is being naive.

even imrul has played 51 ODIs, nasir has played 40. the team has plenty of experience, we're acting like this was a rookie team that needs every bit of help it can get from the coach when in fact this is an experienced line-up that really should be able to take care of things themselves.

when you've got 3 batsmen who have played 100+ ODIs each plus a youngster who's inform and scored 3 tons from 18 innings and another batsman who averages 35 (nasir) from a decent number of matches (40) then the batting should be pretty much sorted every innings. it just shows the lack willingness from the players imo. they just want it to all be easy without having to put to much effort into it and when it goes wrong well they just give themselves some excuse so they don't have to take the responsibility.

with this much experience and talent, if the players really committed properly like professionals then the team would be much more competitive and these very below average performances would be rare rather than regular.

we've been saying it was the coaches fault since whatmore left, really? that was 7 years ago now and since then we've had a number of coaches (siddons, law, SJ, pybus, and now another), so i guess it makes sense that it's all these coaches fault rather than the players, alot who have been there since whatmore, and a domestic system that has never produced test standard cricketers.
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Old August 22, 2014, 10:01 PM
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I think it is too early to say that the new coaches are no good solely based on the team performance in a couple of matches.

But what's bugging me is that our short term gains and the inner politics of BCB are costing us long term development. despite the team having better players, the team is struggling. The fall is regular, apart from one off performances here and there, since 2012. the policy and strategy makers must have something to do with it.
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Old August 22, 2014, 10:01 PM
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Yes you are right...
its about time, we get a new coach!!!
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Old August 22, 2014, 10:35 PM
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It was always going to be difficult against West Indies, but never imagined we would capitulate like this. Same thing happened against India. Even Zimbabwe showed better character last year when they toured.

West Indies were also in a similar situation in first ODI, but Ramdin and Pollard batted with guts and character. We showed none.

Not going to write off the coach yet. But i hope to see couple of changes in the next game and fixing of the batting order. Bring in Mominul at 3, play Mushfiq at 4, Mithun Ali at 5, Nasir at 6, Mahmudullah at 7.

It was always going to be difficult chasing 240-250. But if the batting order was sorted, and if some of our guys should a bit more bravery we could have got to a respectable total. Still at the end of the day seems like 60-70% of our miseries are due to low confidence, fear factor.
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doesn't matter who was selected, 70 all out is atrocious either way and should have been better regardless of the players picked.

this is where as fans it's tough to judge because we don't have all the facts. the coach may have had poor game plans or given bad advice or he might have given much different game plans and advice to what was actually implemented.

how do we know the coach didn't say look for singles, keep the strike rotating and put away the boundary balls?

the other thing is how experienced are mushy, tamim, riyad, razzak, mash? they've all played 100+ ODIs, i think riyad's played 104, tamim 129, mash 138, mushy 134 and razzak 152 that's 657 matches combined and they played most of those matches together so they've got plenty of individual and group experience to blame it on the coach imo is being naive.

even imrul has played 51 ODIs, nasir has played 40. the team has plenty of experience, we're acting like this was a rookie team that needs every bit of help it can get from the coach when in fact this is an experienced line-up that really should be able to take care of things themselves.

when you've got 3 batsmen who have played 100+ ODIs each plus a youngster who's inform and scored 3 tons from 18 innings and another batsman who averages 35 (nasir) from a decent number of matches (40) then the batting should be pretty much sorted every innings. it just shows the lack willingness from the players imo. they just want it to all be easy without having to put to much effort into it and when it goes wrong well they just give themselves some excuse so they don't have to take the responsibility.

with this much experience and talent, if the players really committed properly like professionals then the team would be much more competitive and these very below average performances would be rare rather than regular.

we've been saying it was the coaches fault since whatmore left, really? that was 7 years ago now and since then we've had a number of coaches (siddons, law, SJ, pybus, and now another), so i guess it makes sense that it's all these coaches fault rather than the players, alot who have been there since whatmore, and a domestic system that has never produced test standard cricketers.
Excellent post. This sums up our cricket in the end unfortunately. It's not the experience or talent, it's the lack of professionalism and the lack of mental strength that fails our players. Can't really blame it all on the system. They should've learned to deal with international teams by now. Can't blame it all on the coaches because despite whoever coaching BD we're still a 9/10 team.

This is the same team that barely lost the Asia Cup final, beat WI in the ODI series, tied SL in SL and whitewashed NZ. What happened now, why have they all of sudden become winless? They had enough talent and experience to win before. Again I feel it's the attitude, once things don't go our way, our players fold like a deck of cards.
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Old August 22, 2014, 11:23 PM
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Our players lose their edge as they mature. International cricketers start performing consistently at 30 but our cricketers begin their decline at that age. That is why we are forever stuck with a young group with no senior players like Sanga and Mahela.

-I think Tamim is done. He will fade like Gambhir.
-Nasir's form is due to lack of effort/stardom. He needs to be sent back to domestic and asked to score thousands of runs. His decline hurts me the most because he did play some awesome cricket in his early days.
-Razzak was over the hill two years ago. Gazi is done as well.
- Kayes can reinvent himself 100 times but he will always be a below average international batsman.
-Mushy is a desciplined crickter and he should still perform with the bat
-Anamul has potential until he reaches 27-30 when the decline will hit him as well
-Mominul will shine in the test series
-Ryad... waste of time
Al Amin, Mash, Taskin looking good under Heath Streak
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Old August 22, 2014, 11:26 PM
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There is not one player in this side who has the backbone to step up when everything is collapsing. They ll just capsize under pressure, like a deck of cards. Fear is all over their face, they panic and just yield.

We ve seen on countless occasions how Khaled Mashud would weather the storm from number 7. He would take body blows, get beaten, be sledged, yet show enough character to take the team to a respectable position. So those days you would never see scores like 58 and 70 sth. At a minimum they would fight like Tigers and get to 140-150-160, or sometimes even more. Now its all about collapses less than 100.

Coaches have responsibility to change this, like Jamie Siddons developed a negative mindset to get to a respectable total than chase down scares. Maybe it wasnt the greatest or the most noble approach, but we wouldnt get humiliated. But coaches can also do so much. We ve worked with two psychologists in the last few months. Nothing seems to be changing.
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Old August 23, 2014, 12:43 AM
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How many defeats now? 11-12?
We are not making any changes to the players. Tamim, Ryad, Nasir, Gazi, Razzak these guys should be back home working hard to get back to the national side.
Try Naeem, Taijul, Arafat Sunny, Mominul, Mithun Ali, Hom, Mosaddek, Shabbir, Noor etc. They couldnt have done any worse
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