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Old August 25, 2014, 11:07 AM
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Default How to create chances

I know the problem is batting. But we can do so much better if the captain understands the field placement. There are thousands of instances where proactive captains put pressure on the batting side and MANUFACTURES wickets where there is none. Without chances the only way you can get a wicket is if the batsmen make mistakes. Most likely the elite players do not make mistakes too often.

Following is a great video to watch. The captain is Pollard himself. This is a CPL match in the WI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I2fonsKr1s

By the way, the bowler is a Bangladeshi and has a figure of 4-1-6-6. A reminder of what we are missing (captaincy). He wouldn't have those numbers if Mushi was the captain. And he or other can't/doesn't have those numbers since he/they play under Mushi.
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Old August 25, 2014, 11:12 AM
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This putuputu captaincy has been going on since Habibul Bashar. The next generation got hathe khori of being complacent. Era ki video dekhe Allah'i janen.
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Old August 25, 2014, 11:51 AM
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Not happening while Mushy is there.

On another note, that video seems to have been uploaded by our MoC (has the Shipon logo). Looks like its been stolen by mr. ashiq1007. Not only that he put his own license, with 300K view I am guessing he got return on that!
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Old August 25, 2014, 11:53 AM
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Mushfiq's stubborn attitude combined with utter dumbness+fear (to miss a spot in the team? as he said to Prothom-alo) costing us match after match after...
while equally inept coach (in such case 2 in a row) is sitting idle in the dressing room thinking about his next vacation...
hope Mushfiq goes for a long honeymoon while coach goes for a long break to spend time with his kids
..then Shakib is back as a captain and and we win some matches...

As many has said coach don't make any difference, so let the coach go and we also save some money and buy orange juice with it for players and die hard fans...
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Old August 25, 2014, 12:39 PM
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Not happening while Mushy is there.
The thing is I am not asking Mushi be replaced. I am asking why can't he be trained to be a good captain?

A team takes captain's persona. That has been going on since the game was created. A quick training with simulations can improve Mushi's outlook. This level of utter "ujbukness" (35/5 and goes on to lose within 40 overs) mind boggling.
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Old August 25, 2014, 12:47 PM
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Place fielders in the right (Catching) positions.

Bowlers bowling according to field that has been set.

Sooner or later wickets will fall and opponent will not be able to declare.
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Old August 25, 2014, 10:26 PM
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^wont work with razzak bowling in tests and as recently as our last series he was the first choice spinner. Mark my word we will razzak in tests again!
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Old August 25, 2014, 11:00 PM
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Jei lau shei kodu.

All captains are same in bd. Shakib wasnt any better than mushy. We used to lose the game during the middle overs when ash and shakib was captain and same with mushy.
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Old August 26, 2014, 01:27 AM
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Batting order needs to be fixed...
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Old August 26, 2014, 01:37 AM
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Coaches don't run field setting or bowler rotation from the dugout in cricket. This isn't soccer. They also have very little say about the starting XI. The buck stops with the captain, period. Mrs. Bogura (rtd.) has been at it for a while. He will not change. He cannot be trained. Wake up. Don't forget his horrible man-management either. Nepotism in team selection is there. Whining like a biatch and calling out junior players in front of the press whilst giving his buddies a break is also there.

Shakib's captaincy when we Banglawashed a depleted West Indian side in their own backyard was aggressive and outstanding. He never failed to create and sustain pressure on the opposition batsmen whenever he sensed their discomfort. The way he rotated bowlers was also brilliant. He tried to do the same in every single match he captained. His bowlers failed to put the opposition under pressure in many of those matches, but whenever they did, he had fielders surrounding them. Heck, even that traitor AshraFix did that. People have a short memory.

Shakib has issues and even some of those issues have issues. But he's a winner at the end of the day. He has brass cojones and absolutely HATES to lose. A guy like him doesn't hesitate to bench his buddies or whip them into shape if they cost his team. He's not pleasant. He's not a hand-holder who will wipe your @$$ for you. He won't smile and kiss your baby like a sniveling little politician. He won't warm your little emo heart with a lullaby. But he will win. That my friends, is the difference between Shakib Al Hassan Faisal and all the others.
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Old August 26, 2014, 03:04 AM
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how to create chances? make shakib al hasan the captain! we have generally much better pacers now than when shakib captained before and riyad is a better bowler than he was to, plus we have some good batsmen in anamul, mominul and shamsur coming through to add to shakib himself and tamim and mushy. if the team is captained properly it will do much better, the players still have mental issues on field and attitude issues on and of field but at least if there is proper captaincy when things do go right the result will be a win or at least a competitive match.

i reckon the negativity and hopelessness of mushy's captaincy has to of had an affect on the players and it's surely a negative one leading to even poorer results than would have come had the captaincy not been as it has been.
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Old August 26, 2014, 03:38 AM
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Bangladesh does not possess high strike rate bowlers, and is far away from producing ones.

Best bet thus would be to improve fielding significantly, and have more discipline in bowling. Dont ball wides or no balls. Always bowl in the corridor, make it difficult for batsmen to rotate the strike. Place fielders to prevent easy singles (Not Mushfiq likes to spread the field allowing batsmen to nudge and run). Considering we have many spinners, overs will also keep ticking by, run rate will dip. Eventually batsman will take chances and throw away wicket. This is exactly the approach that was used by Rafique, Razzak and Shakib. It was very effective! Sri Lanka also utilized this in the late 90's. They used to target overs 15-40. Those 25 overs they would do their best to suffocate the opposition with accurate spin bowling by Jayasuriya, Muralitharan, Chandana etc.

While this all sounds nice in theory, how easy is it to implement? For Bangladesh very. Mushfiq first all doesnt think like this, at least his field placements, choice of bowlers doesnt reflect. Then you have guys like Razzak who will bowl 3 good deliveries and then a wide one or down the leg side which will be hit for 4. The boundary eases the pressure and the dots from previous deliveries count for nothing! Likewise Rubel or Shafiul or even Al Amin will come and give a 15 run over spoiling the entire tempo.

Bangladesh sadly is still far away from having bowlers who can pick wickets with genuine skill and put the opposition on the backfoot. Likes of Al Amin and Taskin have shown glimpse, but how often they can repeat is the real test. Best bet would be learn from the Sri Lanka of the late 90's. Whether this idea will work in the T20 era is another question. But not that we have much choice.

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Old August 26, 2014, 03:49 AM
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Al amin's strike rate is 26, rubel's is 34, mash' is about 40, sohag's is 41 and shakib's is 40. These are not bad strike rates at all, al amin's is outstanding, rubel's is the same as Glenn mcgrath's and plenty of really good ODI bowlers strike at around 40.

BD bowlers in ODIs actually aren't that bad but they need to be used properly and given support and the best chance to take wickets.

Very different story in tests though.
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Old August 26, 2014, 03:57 AM
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Why was Shakib removed as Captain , someone remind me
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He was 'beyadob' plus the shambolic WC in 2011 and then losing a one off test to Zim after they came out of exile after 6 years and the subsequent ODI series.
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Old August 26, 2014, 05:09 AM
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Al amin's strike rate is 26, rubel's is 34, mash' is about 40, sohag's is 41 and shakib's is 40. These are not bad strike rates at all, al amin's is outstanding, rubel's is the same as Glenn mcgrath's and plenty of really good ODI bowlers strike at around 40.

BD bowlers in ODIs actually aren't that bad but they need to be used properly and given support and the best chance to take wickets.

Very different story in tests though.
Shami has a strike rate of 29, but i bet you wouldnt pick Al Amin over him. Strike rate of our guys will slowly change as they face more opposition in tougher conditions. The only bowler i would genuinely count on for picking a wicket in crucial circumstances is Shakib.

But even Shakib had recently accepted his limitation. He had mention he might be good enough to stall an opposition, but he doesnt have what it takes to destroy an opposition batting lineup like say a Herath or Ajmal or Narine or Ashwin can do.

That was my point-we dont have genuine wicket taking bowlers. They take wickets from like they call unforced errors in tennis. Since we dont have such bowlers, better for us to accept our limitations and try to make best use of it.
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Old August 26, 2014, 05:23 AM
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Shami has a strike rate of 29, but i bet you wouldnt pick Al Amin over him. Strike rate of our guys will slowly change as they face more opposition in tougher conditions. The only bowler i would genuinely count on for picking a wicket in crucial circumstances is Shakib.

But even Shakib had recently accepted his limitation. He had mention he might be good enough to stall an opposition, but he doesnt have what it takes to destroy an opposition batting lineup like say a Herath or Ajmal or Narine or Ashwin can do.

That was my point-we dont have genuine wicket taking bowlers. They take wickets from like they call unforced errors in tennis. Since we dont have such bowlers, better for us to accept our limitations and try to make best use of it.
mash and shakib have played over 100 ODIs for their strike rates and rubel has played near 50 (49) ODIs. what i'm saying is they're decent strike rates, haven't checked the stats against G8s so maybe it dramatically rises against the better teams, the other thing is i reckon other teams prominent bowlers probably get the 4fers and 5fers more often than BD bowlers which makes a big difference to winning matches.
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Having checked stats against great 8s well al Amin stays the same as he's only played against great 8s, rubel's is still in the 34s from 36 matches, shakib's jumps to 43 and mash's is basically 47.

We'll see how al Amin and rubel's fair over the long haul but good signs so far, I'd expect rubel's to maintain, al amin's will probably rise but still be very good I'd expect, shakib's should maintain or improve, mash is on the way out but taskin his likely replacement I expect will have a very good strike rate.
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A good point you made-Shakib's best haul is 4/16. Surprising someone who has 171 wickets doesnt have a 5 fer. But his economy rate, strike rate fairly decent. Goes to show we have bowlers capable of keeping it tight, but not taking a batting lineup apart.
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Shakib is not an ODI wicket taker. Narine and Ajmal are. Ajmal is probably one of the best spinners in ODI history based purely on stats.

Al Amin and Taskin seem to have a knack of taking wickets. No doubt those SRs will rise but so far so good.

Problem is Mushfiqs captaincy still have to watch the replay of us immediately after 34-5 - for a final word. Bigger issue is mushfiq fluffing chance after chance behind the stumps. Bring Anamul as a keeper in ODIs and Nurul in Tests. Mushfiq should be our long term specialist #3 in tests. How long he will rob the team of his best batting and a decent WK is beyond me. I've been screaming about this since 2010.
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