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Old January 7, 2015, 08:43 AM
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I don't see any reason to pick Jubair over Sunny.

Arafat Sunny has had excellent figures so far in his short international career so far. Plus playing a lot of cricket does help. Jubair is a good prospect but still far too inexperienced to be used in the world cup.
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Old January 7, 2015, 09:05 AM
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I don't see any releg spipick Jubair over Sunny.

Arafat Sunny has had excellent figures so far in his short international career so far. Plus playing a lot of cricket does help. Jubair is a good prospect but still far too inexperienced to be used in the world cup.
Sunny is not tested in foriegn soil. A leg spinner is a huge bonus in Australia. Don't need three SLA.
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Old January 7, 2015, 09:40 AM
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Relatively inexperience? Have a look at Yasir Saha's profile. Yh haven't played much int cricket but his got tons of domestic cricket experience to back up on his selection. Plus he had a dream series against NZ last month. Now compare that with Jubair.
By saying relatively inexperienced, I meant international experience.
Jubair also had a dream start against Zimbabwe in last series.

Anyway, I am not arguing with the selection here.

Jubair's inclusion would probably add variations in the attack as oppose to three SLA. Plus historically leg spinners are very effective in Australian conditions.

That's what Pakistan did in 1992 when selecting squad and again did the same in this world cup.
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Old January 7, 2015, 09:46 AM
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What Haturi had to say on Jubair's inclusion:

জুবায়েরের প্রয়োজনীয়তার বিষয়টি সাংবাদিকদের আজ ব্যাখা দিলেন হাথুরুসিংহে। কোচ বললেন, ‘দলে জুবায়ের থাকলে খুশি হতাম। কারণ, অস্ট্রেলিয়ায় লেগস্পিনার খুবই কার্যকর। অস্ট্রেলিয়ায় গত চার বছরের অভিজ্ঞতায় দেখেছি, সেখানকার প্রতিটি প্রাদেশিক দলই একজন লেগস্পিনার রাখার চেষ্টা করে। কারণ, তারা উইকেট শিকারি। এটা সত্য, আমি ওকে (জুবায়ের) দলে রাখতে অনুরোধ করেছিলাম। আক্রমণাত্মক মুহূর্তে উইকেট তুলে নিতে তাকে আমাদের পরিকল্পনায় রেখেছিলাম। কিন্তু সে দলে সুযোগ পেল না। আমরা চেষ্টা করব যারা দলে আছে তাদের নিয়েই ভালো করার।’


Source: http://www.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/417667/
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Old January 7, 2015, 10:47 AM
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Read, what Pakistan Chief Selector Moin Khan had to say about inclusion of Yasir Shah, a relatively inexperienced Leg Spinner.

Pakistan are without a specialist off spinner, though the selectors have named a leg spinner in Yasir Shah, along with Afridi. Moin defended the selection as a pure cricketing decision.

"We had also carried two leg spinners [Mushtaq Ahmed and Iqbal Sikander] in the 1992 World Cup, so that isn't something exceptional," Moin said. "With leg spinners, the probability of taking field wickets increases.

We have as many as 12 matches including the World Cup games, and given the age factor of Afridi, naturally we have to keep a back-up as well.

Wish Faruq and Co. would think in the same line.
I would take the underlined comment with a bit of salt. Where is stats to back that? Shane Warne stats? How many Shane Warne has been produced in the WORLD CRICKET HISTORY?

Plus what does the probability of getting hammered in non-spin friendly pitch? Knowing our think tank we would have field settings in a negative manner to begin with. 4/5 overs and 40/50 runs would negate any wicket he would take.

Also, we know ICC would prepare the pitches. If I was a betting man, I would bet my house that they would create pancakes suited for batting. A leg spinner like Jubair would have a career ending outing there. These are not BD pitches where the ball remains low.

This boy has potential. I 100% agree. He needs more matches under his belt to know how to fox INTERNATIONAL level batsmen and not local star types.
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Old January 7, 2015, 10:49 AM
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By saying relatively inexperienced, I meant international experience.
Jubair also had a dream start against Zimbabwe in last series.

Anyway, I am not arguing with the selection here.

Jubair's inclusion would probably add variations in the attack as oppose to three SLA. Plus historically leg spinners are very effective in Australian conditions.

That's what Pakistan did in 1992 when selecting squad and again did the same in this world cup.
1 fifer in 6 innings against Zim in test cricket is a dream start? wow! perhaps, my defination of dream start is bit different than yours

This boy have potential no doubt, but picking him based on 1 fifer for a big occasion is way to risky for my liking.
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Old January 7, 2015, 11:04 AM
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I thought we hired Chandika because he has the inside knowledge of the Australian condition. So good on the selectors to totally ignore his advice by not picking jubair. I agree he leaked runs more than I wanted him to but he did bring us wickets at crucial times against Zimbabwe. I wish he can atleast go to Australia as a standby.
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Old January 7, 2015, 02:00 PM
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Blame the BCB for consistently neglecting our other promising leggie Noor Hossain. Check his stats and his experience. Jubair is obviously far too inexperienced but Noor doesn't have that problem and could've easily been taken. Not to mention, he's a decent lower order batsman as well unlike Jubair

Had we not neglected Noor maybe we wouldn't have to get in to this situation but since we have, we had to choose from Arafat and Jubair which really was not hard because again Jubair was a big risk. Noor wouldn't have been as big of a risk
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Old January 7, 2015, 02:21 PM
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1 fifer in 6 innings against Zim in test cricket is a dream start? wow! perhaps, my defination of dream start is bit different than yours

This boy have potential no doubt, but picking him based on 1 fifer for a big occasion is way to risky for my liking.
Why is it that you think just because he played decent against Zimbabwe, not so well that he can not perform at the world cup? what sort of logic is this. Fair enough he is young, but if you don't give him a chance, than how can you know if he could have been that Player of the Match V Australia, India, Pakistan whatever team we are playing against. Sometime's with exciting prospect, which the Coach believes in as they see them on the field, at trainning etc, it is worth taking the risk. Having Zubair at No.11 would not have made a huge difference... ofcourse if he had some bad overs, other alternatives are there to be used. Here my XI:

1) Tamim Iqbal
2) Anamul Haque
3) Soumya Sorkar
4) Mahmdullah/Nasir
5) Shakib Al Hasan
6) Mushfiqur Rahim
7) Shabbir Rahman
8) Mashrafe Bin Mortaza
9) Rubel Hossain
10) Taskin Ahmed
11) Zubair

We have decent back up incase Mash, Rubel, Taskin or Zubair has an off-day, use Sorkar, Mahmudullah. But anyways... lets see how Shabbir performs, as i believe he bowls some leg spin, hope he does well
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Old January 7, 2015, 02:37 PM
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. lets see how Shabbir performs, as i believe he bowls some leg spin, hope he does well
That should give leg spin option to captain, if really need leg spin.
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Old January 7, 2015, 02:42 PM
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Blame the BCB for consistently neglecting our other promising leggie Noor Hossain. Check his stats and his experience. Jubair is obviously far too inexperienced but Noor doesn't have that problem and could've easily been taken. Not to mention, he's a decent lower order batsman as well unlike Jubair

Had we not neglected Noor maybe we wouldn't have to get in to this situation but since we have, we had to choose from Arafat and Jubair which really was not hard because again Jubair was a big risk. Noor wouldn't have been as big of a risk
Couldn't agree more, our perennial habit of over reliance on SLA also has a role to play. Even after Jubair's performance in international cricket he was continuously ignored in DPL. In the last match where everything was lost for Abahani, they still benched him despite a relatively good performance in the previous match. The same thing happened with Noor as well, he never got a good run anywhere and was dropped after a slightly poor performance which is quite normal for leggies. The problem with our culture is we want immediate result and never bother to invest on something to achieve greater results!
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Old January 7, 2015, 03:02 PM
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Couldn't agree more, our perennial habit of over reliance on SLA also has a role to play. Even after Jubair's performance in international cricket he was continuously ignored in DPL. In the last match where everything was lost for Abahani, they still benched him despite a relatively good performance in the previous match. The same thing happened with Noor as well, he never got a good run anywhere and was dropped after a slightly poor performance which is quite normal for leggies. The problem with our culture is we want immediate result and never bother to invest on something to achieve greater results!
Well said. Isam wrote an article about this. We barely have variety in our spin department. Forget about having world class pacers because that will take time but at least we should have more variety in domestics. What's even worse is our SLAs bowl more like an ODI than in Tests which is why Taijul coming in has been very relieving since he's not your typical BD SLA
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Old January 7, 2015, 03:24 PM
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^Totally agree with both of you. Noor was a victim of poor management. And I'm pretty sure Jubair will follow him soon. There is no value for Leggies in BD, But I hope Noor (23), and Jubair (19) still young and can be very good by our standard if get enough support by their domestic teams...
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^Totally agree with both of you. Noor was a victim of poor management. And I'm pretty sure Jubair will follow him soon. There is no value for Leggies in BD, But I hope Noor (23), and Jubair (19) still young and can be very good by our standard if get enough support by their domestic teams...
Part of the Reason why Noor Hossain does not regularly feature in the club XI as much is because there are so many successful SLA's spinners running havoc in the league that the club team consistently ignore him. As a result, he is consistently ignored and due to lack of significant performance, it is not likely that he will get picked for the A team tours or Academy tours and this further dampens his chances or hopes for a national selection.

The SLA spinners not only take wickets but also restrain the flow of runs, so this is the likely reason why Noor Hossain and Jubair Hossain are overlooked for DPL.
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There is still hope for Noor Hossain, just pick him for first class matches where the pitch is absolutely flat. pick him for a consistent period of time and see if he still has it in him, He was pretty good performance wise in his U-19 days. maybe Coach Haturasinghe can take a look at him and see if there is still any potential left.
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1 fifer in 6 innings against Zim in test cricket is a dream start? wow! perhaps, my defination of dream start is bit different than yours

This boy have potential no doubt, but picking him based on 1 fifer for a big occasion is way to risky for my liking.
Whether you like it or not, Jubair picked up wickets with quality deliveries against quality Batsmen(Masakadza, Taylor numerous times) in times when Bangladesh were desperately searching for wickets. I am pretty sure all of us can recall a pleathora of international matches where even Shakib, Razzak, Mortaza failed to take a wicket in the game, given the situation.
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Looks like leg spin have no value in our pitches. I think we should just move on what's done is done. Now if Shabbir can do leg spin he should just do some hard work before the world cup. Opportunity is there for him.
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Old January 7, 2015, 10:23 PM
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I don't think we needed Sunny either. Should have taken another pacer. Pacers will get injured. Would have liked to have seen Abul Hossain in there.

Likhon was just too flat for Australia. He needs to get a better handle of flight me thinks. At the WC, batters won't be deceived by obvious googlies.
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I don't think we will see 2 front line spinners in this WC regardless of the opposition. Likhon would have never edged ahead of Sunny or Taijul for that lone spot. Its just too much risk picking an inexperienced leggie in non friendly conditions as your key spinner. Yes it does look like a one dimentional attack but one is there as a backup for the other. Likhon is a big prospect and if anything he will be selected for our home games which will require 2 main spinners in the XI
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My theory has always been the following syllogism:

1. Jubair likes Warne (possibly)
2. Warne played in Australia

Ergo, Jubair would love to play in Australia.

Now we have just managed to shatter the bloke's dreams.
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Old January 8, 2015, 12:23 AM
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Looks like leg spin have no value in our pitches. I think we should just move on what's done is done. Now if Shabbir can do leg spin he should just do some hard work before the world cup. Opportunity is there for him.
Often wonder why?

Perhaps leg spinners are more threatening and menacing when there is more bounce and turn. Normally Dhaka, Chittagong have lowish bounce. And the amount of turn seems significantly less that what spinners get in India.

But still maybe we ve screwed up with Jubair. The energy that BCB was putting on selectors for picking Jubair should have been first put on his DPL team. Quite ridiculous how a high potential national team bowler gets snubbed right before a world cup, as if there was some agenda behind it.
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Old January 8, 2015, 04:39 AM
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Often wonder why?

Perhaps leg spinners are more threatening and menacing when there is more bounce and turn. Normally Dhaka, Chittagong have lowish bounce. And the amount of turn seems significantly less that what spinners get in India.

But still maybe we ve screwed up with Jubair. The energy that BCB was putting on selectors for picking Jubair should have been first put on his DPL team. Quite ridiculous how a high potential national team bowler gets snubbed right before a world cup, as if there was some agenda behind it.
I think Haturi da was highly interested to take Likhon in the world cup squad to use him against lower teams like Afghanistan and Scotland. These teams don't get to play quality leg spin regularly. So he can be a lethal bowler against them. The selectors missed the point and messed it up!
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Old January 8, 2015, 08:48 PM
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You know WarWolf - I hadn't thought about this point! You are right! I change my position. Sunny wasn't going to get a serious game anyway unless something went horribly wrong. We should have him pull a hammy so Jubair gets in
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I still feel he will make it to the WC.
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In place of Rubel?
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