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Old October 8, 2017, 06:51 PM
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So after this very tragic test series, my question is now what? The team returns and joins bpl the great league and starts playing on flat surfaces again and takes their money and go home and act as of the south africa series never happened. I mean we’ve seen this before where our weaknesses in fast conditions were shown but nothing was done about it. Is it going to be the same this time again? Is the board going to forget about this tragedy or are they going to do something about it?
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Old October 8, 2017, 06:54 PM
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Question is why would we expect something different from anyone this time when in previous times, the team travelled abroad and got their weaknesss shown to them but not one step was taken to counter that. Im afraid its going to the same old this time. We keep playing on our srufaces and be the real home track bullies that we are.
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Old October 8, 2017, 07:12 PM
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Question is why would we expect something different from anyone this time when in previous times, the team travelled abroad and got their weaknesss shown to them but not one step was taken to counter that. Im afraid its going to the same old this time. We keep playing on our srufaces and be the real home track bullies that we are.
BCB needs to organize more away tours - --

How many away tests we have played in the last few years? How many?
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বিষয়টা কেমন হইতাছে কন দেহি ?

এই গত নভেম্বরে যে দক্ষিন আফ্রিকা দলটা অস্ট্রেলিয়াতে গিয়া টেস্ট খেল্লো
সেই হানে তো অস্ট্রেলিয়া -
প্রথম খেলাতে হারছিলো ১৭৭ রানে
দ্বিতীয় খেলাতে হারছিলো ইনিংস ও ৮০ রানে

অস্ট্রেলিয়া নিজের দেশের মাটিতে ৮৫ রানে অলআউট হইলো,
তো সেইটাতে কি কেউ মারমার কাটাকাট
দুই দলের মানে অনেক তফাত ইত্যাদি ইত্যাদি বিশেষজ্ঞ মতামত কইয়া বেরাইছে?

আমগো দল দক্ষিন আফ্রিকাতে গিয়া টেস্টে এই ফলাফল করাতে যারা এক্কেবারেই চোখকান বন্ধ কইরা আজাইরা
- মুশফিকের পিছে,
- খেলোয়াড়গো পিছে
আর
- কর্মকর্তাদের পিছে
ঝাপাইয়া পরতাছে
তারা কি এইগুলা জাইন্নাও বড় ক্রিকেট দেশের অখাদ্য আতেলগো গলায় মালা পরাইতেই থাকবে?

দক্ষিন আফ্রিকা যে আমগো এইখানে আসছিলো বৃষ্টি না হইলে তারা কি পার পাইতো টেস্টে হাইরা যাওয়া থেইক্কা ?
চট্টগ্রামে আমরা কি ৭৮ রানের লিড লই নাই?

যার যার দেশে সে বাঘ হইতে পারতেছে কি-না এইটা অনেক বড়,
আমরা অহন টেস্টেও তা হইতে পারতেছি,
ঠিক বুদ্ধি কইরা টার্নিং উইকেট বানায়ে তিন দিনে সব দলকে নাস্তানাবুদ করতে পারতে ক্ষমতা লাগে,
আমগো সেইটা হইছে।

আজাইরা চারদিক খেয়ালে না নিয়া
খালি দলটার মনোবোল,
খেলোয়াড়গো মনোবল,
কর্মকর্তাগো মনোবল
নষ্ট করে যারা
তাগো কান্ডজ্ঞানের অনেক অনেক উন্নতির দরকার ।


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কারো যোগারে থাকলে দয়াকইরা আমগো "এ" দলের ২০১৭ এবং ২০১৮ এর চাইর দিনের খেলার কি সফরসূচী সেইটা দিলে বুঝতে সুবিধা হইতো আমগো টেস্টে বাইরে গিয়াও ভালা করার পরিকল্পনা কোন দিকে যাইতেছে।
টেস্ট যোগার করতে বড় দলরে অনেক তেল দিতে হয়, কিন্তু "এ" দলের সফর যোগার করতে সঠিক পরিকল্পনা আর ভালা সম্পর্কের দরকার।
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Old October 9, 2017, 07:55 AM
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BCB needs to organize more away tours - --

How many away tests we have played in the last few years? How many?
Ding, ding ding!

There's a big part of the answer. If not full tours, BD should make some serious investments in prioritizing 'A' tours for their players. And the top players should participate in them, instead of hesitating due to prestige issues.

Fans need to be patient with their team. Test cricket is difficult. Especially in unfavorable conditions. I keep seeing the pattern with "passionate" BD fans who get over-excited after a couple of good performances, and then get overly negative and hostile, after a couple of bad ones.

Reality is the team is still growing, and learning. It was never as good as you started thinking it was, and neither is it as bad as you are inclined to think at the moment.

Above all, Keep calm and support your team.




I know I'm still going to get attacked by a certain section on this forum, who don't like any unsolicited "advice", especially from Indians. I can understand their "big brother" complex and all that. But as a cricket fan, just wanted to share my 2 cents.
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বিষয়টা কেমন হইতাছে কন দেহি ?

এই গত নভেম্বরে যে দক্ষিন আফ্রিকা দলটা অস্ট্রেলিয়াতে গিয়া টেস্ট খেল্লো
সেই হানে তো অস্ট্রেলিয়া -
প্রথম খেলাতে হারছিলো ১৭৭ রানে
দ্বিতীয় খেলাতে হারছিলো ইনিংস ও ৮০ রানে

অস্ট্রেলিয়া নিজের দেশের মাটিতে ৮৫ রানে অলআউট হইলো,
তো সেইটাতে কি কেউ মারমার কাটাকাট
দুই দলের মানে অনেক তফাত ইত্যাদি ইত্যাদি বিশেষজ্ঞ মতামত কইয়া বেরাইছে?

আমগো দল দক্ষিন আফ্রিকাতে গিয়া টেস্টে এই ফলাফল করাতে যারা এক্কেবারেই চোখকান বন্ধ কইরা আজাইরা
- মুশফিকের পিছে,
- খেলোয়াড়গো পিছে
আর
- কর্মকর্তাদের পিছে
ঝাপাইয়া পরতাছে
তারা কি এইগুলা জাইন্নাও বড় ক্রিকেট দেশের অখাদ্য আতেলগো গলায় মালা পরাইতেই থাকবে?

দক্ষিন আফ্রিকা যে আমগো এইখানে আসছিলো বৃষ্টি না হইলে তারা কি পার পাইতো টেস্টে হাইরা যাওয়া থেইক্কা ?
চট্টগ্রামে আমরা কি ৭৮ রানের লিড লই নাই?

যার যার দেশে সে বাঘ হইতে পারতেছে কি-না এইটা অনেক বড়,
আমরা অহন টেস্টেও তা হইতে পারতেছি,
ঠিক বুদ্ধি কইরা টার্নিং উইকেট বানায়ে তিন দিনে সব দলকে নাস্তানাবুদ করতে পারতে ক্ষমতা লাগে,
আমগো সেইটা হইছে।

আজাইরা চারদিক খেয়ালে না নিয়া
খালি দলটার মনোবোল,
খেলোয়াড়গো মনোবল,
কর্মকর্তাগো মনোবল
নষ্ট করে যারা
তাগো কান্ডজ্ঞানের অনেক অনেক উন্নতির দরকার ।


একটা আবদার:
কারো যোগারে থাকলে দয়াকইরা আমগো "এ" দলের ২০১৭ এবং ২০১৮ এর চাইর দিনের খেলার কি সফরসূচী সেইটা দিলে বুঝতে সুবিধা হইতো আমগো টেস্টে বাইরে গিয়াও ভালা করার পরিকল্পনা কোন দিকে যাইতেছে।
টেস্ট যোগার করতে বড় দলরে অনেক তেল দিতে হয়, কিন্তু "এ" দলের সফর যোগার করতে সঠিক পরিকল্পনা আর ভালা সম্পর্কের দরকার।
Anyone want to translate, for the non reading Bengali's

Or at least post a TLDR
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Anyone want to translate, for the non reading Bengali's

Or at least post a TLDR
With the help of google translate. Enjoy

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বিষয়টা কেমন হইতাছে কন দেহি ?

এই গত নভেম্বরে যে দক্ষিন আফ্রিকা দলটা অস্ট্রেলিয়াতে গিয়া টেস্ট খেল্লো
সেই হানে তো অস্ট্রেলিয়া -
প্রথম খেলাতে হারছিলো ১৭৭ রানে
দ্বিতীয় খেলাতে হারছিলো ইনিংস ও ৮০ রানে

অস্ট্রেলিয়া নিজের দেশের মাটিতে ৮৫ রানে অলআউট হইলো,
তো সেইটাতে কি কেউ মারমার কাটাকাট
দুই দলের মানে অনেক তফাত ইত্যাদি ইত্যাদি বিশেষজ্ঞ মতামত কইয়া বেরাইছে?
What is the matter, how are you? This is the South African team that went to Australia in November last year Australia in the Han The first game was lost to 177 runs In the second match was lost in innings and 80 runs Australia got all out for 85 runs in their home country, So there is no maternal casualties Expert opinion of the two parties means many differences, etc.?

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আমগো দল দক্ষিন আফ্রিকাতে গিয়া টেস্টে এই ফলাফল করাতে যারা এক্কেবারেই চোখকান বন্ধ কইরা আজাইরা
- মুশফিকের পিছে,
- খেলোয়াড়গো পিছে
আর
- কর্মকর্তাদের পিছে
ঝাপাইয়া পরতাছে
তারা কি এইগুলা জাইন্নাও বড় ক্রিকেট দেশের অখাদ্য আতেলগো গলায় মালা পরাইতেই থাকবে?

দক্ষিন আফ্রিকা যে আমগো এইখানে আসছিলো বৃষ্টি না হইলে তারা কি পার পাইতো টেস্টে হাইরা যাওয়া থেইক্কা ?
চট্টগ্রামে আমরা কি ৭৮ রানের লিড লই নাই?

The Amgo team went to South Africa to make this result in the Test match - behind Mushfiq, - Back to the game More - Behind officials Twitching Would they be wearing the necklace in the big cricket country, the eighth house of Eggla Jinnah? South Africa, which was coming here, if they did not get the rain, then what could they do to get away from the Teesta? We did not take 78 runs in Chittagong?


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যার যার দেশে সে বাঘ হইতে পারতেছে কি-না এইটা অনেক বড়,
আমরা অহন টেস্টেও তা হইতে পারতেছি,
ঠিক বুদ্ধি কইরা টার্নিং উইকেট বানায়ে তিন দিনে সব দলকে নাস্তানাবুদ করতে পারতে ক্ষমতা লাগে,
আমগো সেইটা হইছে।

আজাইরা চারদিক খেয়ালে না নিয়া
খালি দলটার মনোবোল,
খেলোয়াড়গো মনোবল,
কর্মকর্তাগো মনোবল
নষ্ট করে যারা
তাগো কান্ডজ্ঞানের অনেক অনেক উন্নতির দরকার ।
In his country, whether he is getting a tiger or not, it is too big, We can also do it in the test, It takes the ability to do all the tricks in three days to make a turning point, That's it. Ajaaiyara do not take part in the game Empty group's monologue, Players' morale, Officials morale Those who destroy There is a lot of improvement in Kandjana.

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কারো যোগারে থাকলে দয়াকইরা আমগো "এ" দলের ২০১৭ এবং ২০১৮ এর চাইর দিনের খেলার কি সফরসূচী সেইটা দিলে বুঝতে সুবিধা হইতো আমগো টেস্টে বাইরে গিয়াও ভালা করার পরিকল্পনা কোন দিকে যাইতেছে।
টেস্ট যোগার করতে বড় দলরে অনেক তেল দিতে হয়, কিন্তু "এ" দলের সফর যোগার করতে সঠিক পরিকল্পনা আর ভালা সম্পর্কের দরকার।
An objection: If someone were to join, then we would understand that if the AAA team's 2017 and 2018 match-day tournaments were to be played, then we could go out of the test and go to the right direction. There is a lot of oil in the big party to get the test, but proper planning and good relation are required to get a tour of the "A" team.
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Ding, ding ding!

There's a big part of the answer. If not full tours, BD should make some serious investments in prioritizing 'A' tours for their players. And the top players should participate in them, instead of hesitating due to prestige issues.

Fans need to be patient with their team. Test cricket is difficult. Especially in unfavorable conditions. I keep seeing the pattern with "passionate" BD fans who get over-excited after a couple of good performances, and then get overly negative and hostile, after a couple of bad ones.

Reality is the team is still growing, and learning. It was never as good as you started thinking it was, and neither is it as bad as you are inclined to think at the moment.

Above all, Keep calm and support your team.

I know I'm still going to get attacked by a certain section on this forum, who don't like any unsolicited "advice", especially from Indians. I can understand their "big brother" complex and all that. But as a cricket fan, just wanted to share my 2 cents.
@IndYeah, sensible post. Agree with it 100%.

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@dinrat and fazal,

Just read the first passage. Google translation is not bad. It makes some sense actually.
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বিষয়টা কেমন হইতাছে কন দেহি ?

এই গত নভেম্বরে যে দক্ষিন আফ্রিকা দলটা অস্ট্রেলিয়াতে গিয়া টেস্ট খেল্লো
সেই হানে তো অস্ট্রেলিয়া -
প্রথম খেলাতে হারছিলো ১৭৭ রানে
দ্বিতীয় খেলাতে হারছিলো ইনিংস ও ৮০ রানে

অস্ট্রেলিয়া নিজের দেশের মাটিতে ৮৫ রানে অলআউট হইলো,
তো সেইটাতে কি কেউ মারমার কাটাকাট
দুই দলের মানে অনেক তফাত ইত্যাদি ইত্যাদি বিশেষজ্ঞ মতামত কইয়া বেরাইছে?
জ্বি অয়, মারমার কাটকাট তো লাগছিলো ভালো কইরাই। প্রথম দুই টেস্ট থেইকা ৫ জন খেলোয়াড় তৃতীয় টেস্টে বাদ পড়ছিলো। কারো কারো ক্যারিয়ার চিরতরে শেষ হইয়া গেছে। দলে তরুণ খেলোয়াড় জায়গা পাইছে, যেমন- ম্যাথিউ রেনশ আর পিটার হ্যান্ডসকম্ব। প্রথম দুই টেস্টে ১৭৭ রান আর ইনিংস ও ৮০ রানে হাইরাও তাই অস্ট্রেলিয়া তৃতীয় টেস্ট ৭ উইকেটে জিতছিলো। সেই ধাক্কার পর অস্ট্রেলিয়া দেশে বিদেশে মিলাইয়া টানা ৬ টেস্ট জিতছিলো। এই হইলো আমাগো দেশ আর অস্ট্রেলিয়ার মত দেশেগো মধ্যে পার্থক্য।
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Old October 9, 2017, 05:26 PM
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As Tamim pointed out after the Aus series, it was actually very difficult for our own batsmen to play on rank turners during Aus and Eng series, as balls don't turn as much in domestics. IMO, BCB should have both turning and bouncy pitches in domestics so that our players can develop skills in both conditions.

One step in the right direction is to organize U/19 and A-team matches on a fast bouncy Sylhet track.

On the other hand, there is no point trying to create bouncy pitches on Chittagong or Khulna. They should made more so to suit our spinners, pitches that will start to break from day one.
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Old October 9, 2017, 06:09 PM
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we all can blab all we want and all day long but will BCB ever take our points to consider? Hell NO! we've faced this type of situation before but failed to learn from our mistakes from the past. I'm just hoping at least this time, they do something. Even something little helps. Maybe in BPL, we can start by having fast and bouncy tracks.
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Old October 9, 2017, 07:50 PM
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Trying to recreate pitches like SA or NZ in Bangladesh is not realistic, just like it was not realistic for Aus to prepare for our spinners on a drop-in pitch in Darwin. Our Test team players just will have to find other ways prepare for higher bounce such as practice on granite slabs, practice against bowling machine with tennis balls, like they had done in past.

There is no logic in using a T20 tournament to prepare for Test matches either. IMO, BCB should stick there with their plan to prepare high scoring flat even bounce pitches. It's also important that we groom some talents for T20I format.

I think the issue is more with not picking separate teams for Test and LOIs , and asking players, especially juniors, to focus excelling on their particular format.
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Old October 9, 2017, 08:14 PM
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Trying to recreate pitches like SA or NZ in Bangladesh is not realistic, just like it was not realistic for Aus to prepare for our spinners on a drop-in pitch in Darwin. Our Test team players just will have to find other ways prepare for higher bounce such as practice on granite slabs, practice against bowling machine with tennis balls, like they had done in past.

There is no logic in using a T20 tournament to prepare for Test matches either. IMO, BCB should stick there with their plan to prepare high scoring flat even bounce pitches. It's also important that we groom some talents for T20I format.

I think the issue is more with not picking separate teams for Test and LOIs , and asking players, especially juniors, to focus excelling on their particular format.
Very good point!

If the answer was that simple then why don't the Big 3 do it and dominate away tours as well?
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Old October 9, 2017, 08:17 PM
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If you guys want to feel better, just know that beating SA in SA is very difficult. They have world class players who are absolutely dominant at home.

Yes, our performance was pathetic, and there are many areas where we can improve on, but take solace in knowing that we lost to a damn good team.
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Old October 9, 2017, 08:19 PM
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The Amgo team went to South Africa to make this result in the Test match - behind Mushfiq, - Back to the game More - Behind officials Twitching Would they be wearing the necklace in the big cricket country, the eighth house of Eggla Jinnah? South Africa, which was coming here, if they did not get the rain, then what could they do to get away from the Teesta? We did not take 78 runs in Chittagong?



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An objection: If someone were to join, then we would understand that if the AAA team's 2017 and 2018 match-day tournaments were to be played, then we could go out of the test and go to the right direction. There is a lot of oil in the big party to get the test, but proper planning and good relation are required to get a tour of the "A" team.
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Old October 9, 2017, 08:30 PM
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If you guys want to feel better, just know that beating SA in SA is very difficult. They have world class players who are absolutely dominant at home.

Yes, our performance was pathetic, and there are many areas where we can improve on, but take solace in knowing that we lost to a damn good team.
I would still say it was a shame how miserably our batsmen failed in the last three Test innings. Besides Rabada, SA had no world class bowler.

Bowlers, I understand, did not expect them to mount much of a challenge to seasoned guys like Elgar-Amla-Faf on their home tracks.
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I would still say it was a shame how miserably our batsmen failed in the last three Test innings. Besides Rabada, SA had no world class bowler.

Bowlers, I understand, did not expect them to mount much of a challenge to seasoned guys like Elgar-Amla-Faf on their home tracks.
You are seriously under rating Maharaj
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^^ Yeah, maybe. Was not expecting an SLA to be that much of a threat, since our batsmen face them at domestics so often.
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Old October 9, 2017, 09:48 PM
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Yeah maharaj might be the worlds premier spinner in a couple of years, though Kuldeep might have something to say about that.

Don't worry I underestimated maharaj before this series but from seeing him bowl a bit more now, if he keeps up what he's doing then he will be one of the worlds best bowlers, he is a quality spinner, he has a lot of control and really good accuracy, turns it enough to cause issues and seems to be a thinking bowler.
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BCB needs to organize more away tours - --

How many away tests we have played in the last few years? How many?
Or...

We need to take a cue from our neighbors-particularly in recent times. Focus on home tours, and select lesser teams for away tours.

I know our Indian buddies here will vehemently deny that, but its working nicely for them.

Obviously it sounds great-sending team to likes of South Africa, Australia. We always say it ll be a good learning experience. But is there any? If anything our players are desperate to run back home at the earliest flight, and never come back again.

We go to Australia or England right now, we ll suffer the same consequences.
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Send the A teams and academy/emerging teams abroad, that is very important. It's not just about tours for the national team, players need experience in those conditions before they become part of the national team.

Sending the HP team to Australia and England was a start but the quality of opposition was so so and these tours need to happen more fequently.
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I was saying the same too. Need more away tours for A team and even age level teams against quality opposition, not teams like Northern Territory XI and 2nd XI of county sides. But BCB seem to more focused on organising matches only for the national side due to financial gains.
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Or...

We need to take a cue from our neighbors-particularly in recent times. Focus on home tours, and select lesser teams for away tours.

I know our Indian buddies here will vehemently deny that, but its working nicely for them.
We toured away continously for nearly two years before this home session. This is how we roll, long away tour followed by a equally lengthy home session, we will be touring SA, Aus and Eng again next year.
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Knew you would post

Think last major "Away" tour were Australia in 2014, England, NZ and South Africa. Before that in 2012. Those didnt go too well did they? For a team that plays so much cricket, India has smartly chosen its matches last 3 years-mostly at home, and Sri Lanka and West Indies away. And we all know how these two sides are.

Next years tours will be a real test of how well India has progressed as a side.
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