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Old March 6, 2015, 10:59 AM
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Default Where is our charismatic captain?

Every successful team that leaped out of mediocrity had a charismatic captain behind them. Be it Ranatunga or Imran Khan, even Ganguly who had a 'relatively successful but no way great' Indian side and whipped out the best from their players. Their uncanny leadership, attacking captaincy and sheer awesomeness of their character built the foundation upon which their respective teams achieved greatness, and continue to be great till date. While I agree Mash is probably the best captain we can have in this squad and is unquestionably dedicated, he doesn't strike me to be someone who is always ready to take calculative risk or to instill the hunger for greatness into the players as the aforementioned captains did. Granted, we probably do not have the players that those teams had at their transition but why can't we NEVER produce any such visionaries that younger players can make role models out of?
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Old March 6, 2015, 11:26 AM
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Easy for us to say, we are lacking that "Golden Boy", who will be both talented, brilliant work ethic and backs his words with performance.

Sadly the reason why we will never produce that kind of player is because Bangladeshi people have virtually small targets. Easily satisfied. We need someone who will start asking questions at every incompetence he notices. Stupidity will be scrutinized. But don't expect a bangladeshi to be ever like that.
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Old March 6, 2015, 11:35 AM
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Shakib.

You want someone who will question status quo?
Play by his own rules?
Set a higher standard?
Reach new unprecedented heights?
Arrogant but let performance speaks for itself?
Beats the crap out of anyone who insults his wife and then refuses to withdraw case?
Poster boy of cricket?

All he needs to do is unearth/guide/mentor younger players just like Ranatunga and Imran Khan did. And voila!! He will be the charismatic leader that we always looked for.
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Old March 6, 2015, 12:06 PM
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Easy for us to say, we are lacking that "Golden Boy", .
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Old March 6, 2015, 12:10 PM
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Shakib.

You want someone who will question status quo?
Play by his own rules?
Set a higher standard?
Reach new unprecedented heights?
Arrogant but let performance speaks for itself?
Beats the crap out of anyone who insults his wife and then refuses to withdraw case?
Poster boy of cricket?

All he needs to do is unearth/guide/mentor younger players just like Ranatunga and Imran Khan did. And voila!! He will be the charismatic leader that we always looked for.
Shakib has the biggest point missing from being a leader, he can only lead himself, he's more of a maverick than a leader, the only leader we have is Mash, but once he starts hobbling around in pain, he stops leading the team. Shakib has no patience to be a leader, he can't motivate players, sure he can lead by example, but that's not always whats required.
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Old March 6, 2015, 12:22 PM
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Shakib has the biggest point missing from being a leader, he can only lead himself, he's more of a maverick than a leader, the only leader we have is Mash, but once he starts hobbling around in pain, he stops leading the team. Shakib has no patience to be a leader, he can't motivate players, sure he can lead by example, but that's not always whats required.
I disagree. Shakib 2015 is not Shakib 2011. I think he is behaving much more like a mentor these days.
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Old March 6, 2015, 12:34 PM
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agree with most of what you guys said above. You can not be a great leader unless you are a great player. No one will listen to you or be inspired if you can't lead by example.

Mash has the leadership qualities but he is not a great player.. A fit mash is a good player.

So long way to go.... Shakib comes somewhat close to being a great one....
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Old March 6, 2015, 12:59 PM
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I disagree. Shakib 2015 is not Shakib 2011. I think he is behaving much more like a mentor these days.
However, Shakib 2014 was.

It's a Bangladeshi and Bangladeshi cricketing cultural thing. Individualist societies produce more good captains than collectivist societies. And in our schools and colleges, they don't teach teamwork, communication, and leadership (a subcontinental thing).

Our cricketing culture is also pretty new. We're still in learning and following mode with an inferior mindset experiencing more defeats than wins. These days, Indian cricketers seem to come through the ranks with good leadership skills. It's part of the program/training for them (All the $ and glamor also play a part.). It needs to be a part of the program/training for us.
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Old March 6, 2015, 01:17 PM
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Leadership qualities:
1) Faith (no matter what you believe in)
2) Once a target is set, no stopping unless it is reached. Never give up.
3) Patience and tolerance. (stand up every time you get knocked down)

We got none. We got bunch of putuputu "yes sirs." (entire nation falls under this category - including me)
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Old March 6, 2015, 01:45 PM
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Old March 6, 2015, 02:07 PM
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agree with most of what you guys said above. You can not be a great leader unless you are a great player. No one will listen to you or be inspired if you can't lead by example.

Mash has the leadership qualities but he is not a great player.. A fit mash is a good player.

So long way to go.... Shakib comes somewhat close to being a great one....
Mash is leading the team while having a very sick son back at home. He initially wanted come back. Then later on decided to stay for the nation.

He is not able to give 100% as a captain right now. Yet he is doing better than Mushy.
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Old March 6, 2015, 02:56 PM
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Shakib can be that man. At least he is not the emotional handkerchief carrying mind-khawa complaining to the press how they are misunderstood or mistreated by the fans.
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Old March 6, 2015, 03:12 PM
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Wish Anonto Jalil played cricket. He would be a charismatic captain.
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Old March 6, 2015, 03:43 PM
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Toooooooooooooo late. Do not ask this question again now. We have to settle now. Don't distract players....given they come here to spend some time
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Old March 6, 2015, 04:26 PM
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Old March 7, 2015, 06:41 AM
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Wish Anonto Jalil played cricket. He would be a charismatic captain.
Imagine him talking english with the commentators with his trademark 'Manchishtar' accent
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Old March 7, 2015, 06:48 AM
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I personally love Mash as the captain. He commands respect from everyone on field and off field. He is a born fighter and he is aggressive. He is also the biggest motivator in the team.

However he could be better, he is too emotional so if things are not going to plan his head will go down and as everyone in the team feeds on his energy the team energy becomes negative. He needs to keep his cool and emotions checked. Also, he might be the most aggressive captain we have ever seen but he still lacks the best tactician minds in business. For example there were too many runs scored off legs last match, no leg gully was brought in. Things like that can be improved.

But still yards if miles (ashraful, mushy etc) ahead of some captains in the past. And as I have said this in the past, he will prove he is the best captain Bangladesh ever had by taking us to the Quarters
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Old March 7, 2015, 07:18 AM
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Shakib can be that man. At least he is not the emotional handkerchief carrying mind-khawa complaining to the press how they are misunderstood or mistreated by the fans.
Didn't Shakib complain about the pressure of playing at home due to fans' expectations? And did he not also claim that we should accept losses to more established nations because of genetic disparity and a general paucity of orange juice in the country? A very charismatic leader there...

I don't see anyone in our team who strikes me as being in the same bracket as an Imran, Ranatunga or a Ganguly as an all-round leader. One thing that set these guys apart was that they were well-educated and probably would have been top professionals had they not chosen a career in cricket. In other words they were going to be leaders regardless. No one in our team can even converse in English confidently (perhaps maybe Tamim) even after so many years playing international cricket. They always seem to be in a hurry to get off the mic. Forget about incorporating irony, wit, sarcasm and in general engaging the audience during interviews. Hard to represent the team well to the outside world when you are not confident speakers.
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Old March 7, 2015, 07:21 AM
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I personally love Mash as the captain. He commands respect from everyone on field and off field. He is a born fighter and he is aggressive. He is also the biggest motivator in the team.

However he could be better, he is too emotional so if things are not going to plan his head will go down and as everyone in the team feeds on his energy the team energy becomes negative. He needs to keep his cool and emotions checked. Also, he might be the most aggressive captain we have ever seen but he still lacks the best tactician minds in business. For example there were too many runs scored off legs last match, no leg gully was brought in. Things like that can be improved.

But still yards if miles (ashraful, mushy etc) ahead of some captains in the past. And as I have said this in the past, he will prove he is the best captain Bangladesh ever had by taking us to the Quarters
Ash would wipe the floor with Mash tactically.
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Old March 7, 2015, 10:07 AM
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To be attacking, to take risks, you also need a fairly stable team and a set of dependable players. Mash when he captained against the Lankans in T20s, did take his chances... his players failed and he was criticized by us and the media afterwards. Mash certainly takes a lot of chances... Bowling Nasir and Shabbir in death overs against Scotland, Bowling Riyad against the Lankans in the death are signs of aggressive captaincy. However, the team for the most part sucks and 9 out of 10 times the risks dont pay off. When the odds are like that, you are forced to become less and less aggressive as ur stint progresses as a captain.

Shakib on the other hand is just a standard that players should set themselves. He is no leader and his early leadership heroics have gone missing long time ago. The reason why he will never be a good leader in BD is because of his lack of involvement and appearance in our domestic cricket. He is only here when we have international fixtures and missing or looking to get stints of shores. This prevents the opportunity for him to build chemistry with the out of XI players and practice being a leader with these players. As a skipper of a national XI, you need to involved in the root level as well as the preparation and post series process. Mushy was a regular skipper in the youth level and Mash has been leading whichever side he plays for whether its Gladiators or Syllet or Mohammedan.

We need to groom a skipper for the future and let players like Shak-Mushy-Tamim play without that responsibility. Some of us were hoping Anamul would be the solution and yet we find ourselves in a situation where his inclusion in the side being heavily questioned. Maybe Shabbir/Nasir?
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Old March 7, 2015, 10:35 AM
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Am surprised many here are saying Shakib. Wasnt it not too long ago he was saying we dont take enough orange juice in our diet and too much people support at the grounds causes them to play horribly at the world T20 at home last year?

He is not the Imran Khan we want, we need a more shrewd and ambitious, visionary, motivational, charismatic leader who will unearth new talents and lead the country to glory. We have yet to find such a leader in our team, maybe we will one day
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Old March 7, 2015, 10:48 AM
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What about Ershad? I am sure he can at least field.
Not sure about his bowling and batting skill...
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Old March 7, 2015, 12:50 PM
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Charismatic captains don't grow on trees, especially, nowadays. I will be happy if we could unearth a decent one.

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Old March 7, 2015, 01:08 PM
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