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Old May 10, 2015, 09:19 PM
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Default Bangladesh Test Progress Monitor (and a New Rankings System)

This thread was the natural progression from my original monitor here. I figure the ODI world cup is a natural divider between Test cricket "seasons".

The official ICC rankings are useful mostly because they are official but beyond that its a pretty flawed system. I've tried on several occaisions over the years of creating my own ranking system and gave up due to the complexity of including all the things I've thought were important.

Now, I've finally found a simple and relatively easy way of correcting some of the major flaws of the ICC rankings:

1) success overseas is given extra weight (failing at home has a reciprocal penalty)

2) both the margins of series scorelines and individual matches are factored in

3) relative batting and bowling strengths of teams are also factored in

All teams start off on equal footing and I'll publish my first update around New Years with subsequent updates occurring quarterly (ie Jan 1, April 1, July 1, and Oct 1 of each year).
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Old May 10, 2015, 09:28 PM
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Default Recap of Our Recent Test Progress

So from the previous monitor the progress we made as measured by our competitive index (CI) or "ratio" (team batting average/bowling average) was significant.

CI from Bangladesh's first 17 Tests (2000-2002) = 0.323

CI from Jan 2010 to Oct 2012 = 0.547

CI from November 2012 to present = 0.727

We've made vast strides, in particular due to better batting, our bowling has only improved marginally and that is where the bulk of the work remains to be done. Lets see how we do over the next 4 years.
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What happened between 2002 and 2010?
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Does CI have the home-away distribution?
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A friendly reminder Asaad. This needs to be updated.
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A friendly reminder Asaad. This needs to be updated.
check facebook ive been updating there.
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Old March 19, 2017, 09:47 PM
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Default March 19, 2017 Update (for Mijan bhai)

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A friendly reminder Asaad. This needs to be updated.
Since you don't seem to be anywhere near facebook...I will update it for you now as you are a morobbi manush

For the full ranking table you will have to join my facebook group...this is just the strip tease...

Test Rankings (as of March 19, 2017)


1. India - 5.440
2. Australia - 4.302
3. New Zealand - 3.708
4. South Africa - 2.950
5. Sri Lanka - 2.006
6. Pakistan - 1.758
7. England - 1.488
8. Bangladesh - 0.598
9. West Indies - 0.305
10. Zimbabwe - 0.080

NZ and SL points are inflated a bit due to having played Zimbabwe.

Our rating was slightly higher after England win at 0.627.
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OK So, since my last post in March, I've actually revised the formula 2 or 3 times. The following is my 4th version and I believe its the best as far as simple formulas goes:

1. England - 2.942
2. India - 2.576
3. Pakistan - 2.568
4. Australia - 2.293
5. South Africa - 2.113
6. New Zealand - 2.012
7. Sri Lanka - 1.723
8. Bangladesh - 0.731
9. West Indies - 0.495
10. Zimbabwe - 0.021
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Seems fair. Goes with the ICC ranking too.
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There seems to be a clear difference between the top 7 and bottom 5.
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Although WI lost the series vs England, they were super competitive and won one game. That should give them some bonus points.
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There seems to be a clear difference between the top 7 and bottom 5.
Yes, and that goes with common sense perception as well.
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Although WI lost the series vs England, they were super competitive and won one game. That should give them some bonus points.
Its based on series results so no bonus points. However winning a match and increasing your margin will increase your points.
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OK So, since my last post in March, I've actually revised the formula 2 or 3 times. The following is my 4th version and I believe its the best as far as simple formulas goes:

1. England - 2.942
2. India - 2.576
3. Pakistan - 2.568
4. Australia - 2.293
5. South Africa - 2.113
6. New Zealand - 2.012
7. Sri Lanka - 1.723
8. Bangladesh - 0.731
9. West Indies - 0.495
10. Zimbabwe - 0.021
Keep working. The #1 team on this list has:

1. Been unable to beat lowly ranked WI away two series in a row (they lost the first, drew the second). They've topped it off by losing to them in a test at home recently.

2. Been unable to beat New Zealand home or away.

3. Lost a series to Lanka (Lanka!) at home. Couldn't beat them in Lanka during their last tour either.

4. Couldn't beat Pakistan at home too. Have been beaten back to back times in the UAE, with one of them being a full on whitewash.

5. Whitewash 5-0 in Australia. 'Nuff said.

6. Loss 4-0 in India. Decent enough to draw the first test, but couldn't compete after that.

7. Last but not the least, couldn't beat Bangladesh away. That was a series they expected to win, and could come away with only a 1-1 result.

So this is the #1 team? Go figure.

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^ Eng beat SA, who had been doing pretty well till then.

But Ind is the #1 test team right now.
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Keep working. The #1 team on this list has:

1. Been unable to beat lowly ranked WI away two series in a row (they lost the first, drew the second). They've topped it off by losing to them in a test at home recently.

2. Been able to beat New Zealand home or away.

3. Lost a series to Lanka (Lanka!) at home. Couldn't beat them in Lanka during their last tour either.

4. Couldn't beat Pakistan at home either. Have been beaten back to back times in the UAE, with one of them being a full on whitewash.

5. Whitewash 5-0 in Australia. 'Nuff said.

6. Loss 4-0 in India. Decent enough to draw the first test, but couldn't compete after that.

7. Last but not the least, couldn't beat Bangladesh away. That was a series they expected to win, and could come away with only a 1-1 result.

So this is the #1 team? Go figure.
Its not perfect, but pretty accurate.

Firstly its only counting results from April 2015, so Englands 2014 loss vs SL doesnt count. Btw, that England team hammered India 3-1 right after losing to Lanka, so your insinuation of India should be #1 has just as many flaws. India have won only 1 Test in ENG, SA, AUS, NZ in the last 6 years! nuff said. Barely beat an Aussie team that only drew in Bangladesh.

Secondly, the top 7 sides are pretty close in the rankings. 1 or 2 series can shift teams. India by any formula is not a clear #1. Just watch what happens when they tour overseas.

A lot of teams have been unable to beat Bangladesh recently, not just England. Put the Aussies, and Lankans on that list. Also the saffers and NZ too.
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1. England - 2.942
2. India - 2.576
3. Pakistan - 2.568
4. Australia - 2.293
5. South Africa - 2.113
6. New Zealand - 2.012
7. Sri Lanka - 1.723
8. Bangladesh - 0.731
9. West Indies - 0.495
10. Zimbabwe - 0.021
Here's some detailed analysis which should further clarify why the rankings are as they are.

Sri Lanka
One might be surprised to see SL so far ahead of BD or WI. Its solely on the back of their [impressive] 3-0 whitewash of the mighty Aussies - who fought very hard in India. If you take that series out, SL have a much lower rating of 0.329, which would put them in 9th place.

India and England
Vahroone's complaint about India being only #2 may carry a slight bit of weight. All team start off with a rating of 1, and as such some of the opponents India beat were rated lower than they are now. For example SA is now rated at above 2 points, but when India beat them 3-0, they had a rating of just 0.157. But the same applies to some other teams. ENG won 2-1 in SA, when they were rated marginally higher at 0.188. So England would have more points as well. While England has lost quite a few Tests at home and India has only lost 1, India hasn't even toured overseas in the ranking period, barring in WI or SL.
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