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Old January 20, 2016, 07:31 AM
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Default This match is a proof of a substandard BPL

No doubt that BPL was held more professionally but it was very substandard BPL by all means.

The blame would go to the pitch curators though. Most of the pitches were two paced, variable bounce, slow and not at all condusive to the batsman. Soumya, Sabbir and Anamul our 3 best T20 batsman struggled a lot just goes to show how poor the pitches were.

Due to the poor pitches, batsman like Mosa, Riad thrived and now it can be concluded that they are not ready for T20. Heck, who knows what kind of players with T20 skills were not able to demonstrate their skills because of the conditions.

Next time, BCB should prepare decent batting wickets atleast so that bowlers will be able to display their yorkers, slower stuff while batsman will be able to show their ability to hit the ball.
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Old January 20, 2016, 08:44 AM
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Wickets were poor at bpl. Batting was painful to watch. Players didnt improve much better skills batting at all playing on such disgusting wickets.
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Old January 20, 2016, 08:49 AM
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How can poor pitches make one set of batsmen play bad while others play better? What sort of logic is this?
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Old January 20, 2016, 08:55 AM
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Cant deny wickets were poor most part of bpl. At t20s wickets mostly batting friendly. When your playing on bad wickets how are you meant to develope the batting skills needed when your going to play big teams?
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Old January 20, 2016, 09:26 AM
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MHRAM does have a point. I dont think BPL did any good to many of the batsmen in terms of helping them develop some form or groove or confidence.

This is a completely different type of wicket-as if playing in a different country.

But this series also reveals-there is a severe problem in this format. And it cannot be solved by playing BPL once a year. Specific players need to play this format, and specific skills must be developed. And i hope BCB realizes 3-4 days of training isnt enough to develop such skills.
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Old January 20, 2016, 09:50 AM
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How can poor pitches make one set of batsmen play bad while others play better? What sort of logic is this?
Look on pitches where the ball does not come on to the bat your strike making ability and becomes useless.

That is where batsman have to rely on their skills to block and churn out singles. Which is why someone like Mahmudullah did well whilst the others couldnt do much. Now in T20Is you are not going to win matches by getting that one odd run.

Think about it. Mosaddek scored some runs in BPL without any T20 skill and today it was exposed brutally. BPL only gave us Rony and its not Rony is going to turn the tide for us. We needed BPL to give confidence to our batsman. It happened the other way around. Now batsman don't have the confidence to go for glory or play cheeky shots like today while bowlers feel like they are world class and can bowl length deliveries and not get smacked
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Old January 20, 2016, 11:00 AM
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BPL is already bs. This match proves nothing.
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Old January 20, 2016, 11:33 AM
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ok lets forget about BPL 3 and think about BPL 1 and 2, which talents did thouse 2 BPLs gave us? I cant remember any unknown name, may be Tashkin in BPL 2, but we knew he was good before BPL 2
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Old January 20, 2016, 01:34 PM
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ok lets forget about BPL 3 and think about BPL 1 and 2, which talents did thouse 2 BPLs gave us? I cant remember any unknown name, may be Tashkin in BPL 2, but we knew he was good before BPL 2
Its not about "giving" us, its about showcasing talent. Talent does not come out of no-where, BPL is a platform where the best are able to show their worth, while for others it is to improve their skills.

BPL 1 and 2 gave our players some confidence, exposure and the oppurtunity for selectors to see what the players were capable of. This BPL was a farce considering that the pitch were really poor. Successful in terms of crowd, viewership and professionalism but failed where it really matters - the on-field cricket.
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Old January 20, 2016, 01:37 PM
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Yes IMO BPL is sub standard.

However I think most Bangladeshi batsman haven't been able to pick up the nature of t20.

I mean we had 6 wickets in the previous game and 4 overs remaining, still our batsman weren't going all guns blazing.

Also our team selection is quite poor. Mahmadullah shouldn't be on the T20 team.
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Old January 20, 2016, 01:51 PM
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Another issue could be lack of practice in the nets? Batsman should try to play the midwicket heave more often. I saw shakib and few others trying to make room to play the off-side. Playing on the on is more suitable because you can use full swing of the bat.
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Old January 20, 2016, 07:27 PM
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Sorry, I am against selecting these players and I have made that very known but at the same time one match really doesn't prove anything. What proves time and time again though is players with potential matter, and none of these players had any potential whatsoever.

Take for example Al amin or Shahid or Mukhtar ali, to be considered for the Bangladeshi role of a pacer you must have some attributes that will be effective against strong opponents. They have none, any club side cricketer from India or South Africa or England or Australia will love a look of them and toy with their bowling. So it is not the fault of BPL or any other tournaments, it is the fault of the think tank for selecting them for this format. Don't get me wrong, they do have potentials and behind the major lines of Taskin/Rubel/Mustafizur/Rony they maybe in line to play ODIs but not playing your tested and proved players they are going to get the team to crash and burn quickly.

I have been saying this for quite a while now and yes, following the team for a long time has given me perspectives.

Again, BPL has let us find Nurul and Rony. In these two Bangladesh can relish a good future in T20s and especially LOIs. Nurul should be given the license. Mashrafe needs to take himself up the order and should be given opportunity to bat higher. He is one of our main man.

Batil list: Shuvagata, Shahid, Mukhtar, Mosaddek (guy has seriously pissed me off, again not his fault, he hit double centuries in FIRST CLASS, not T20s, read that again selectors), Al Amin (can be a backup but not main playing 11), Imrul.

Let's start by selecting a team closer to the team that won against Pakistan, see how many changes have been made from this squad:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin...ch/858491.html

What people forget about Nasir Hossain is that he is the best fielder in the side (how many catches should Imrul drop really to figure out he is a terrible fielder and needs some mental advice) and gives us a great option of bowling spin when our best bowlers are pacers, he can be a weapon in Indian slow and turning pitches.

Lastly, when you have bowlers like Rubel, Taskin, Rony, Mustafizur, Mashrafe, you don't need to look further to select your best 3 pacers. Others will never even come close to their level.

Select based on ability, prowess, proven worth, suitability to format, a hunger to win and most important of all the will to dominate the opponents. Without these factors you will not succeed in this fast paced environment. You gotta adapt and dictate terms from the start and plan your innings from 1-6, 7-10-10-15, 15-20 overs. We don't have one single power hitter that can turn the game like Saffers have AB, India has Virat, Australia has Maxwell, who can make 40 runs from 20 balls but as a unit we can do some serious damage if everyone contributes and most importantly knows their role.

So to the coaches and selectors and team and everyone, know the format and select the RIGHT team and define roles for players, plan the batting innings by breaking it down, ask bowlers to vary pace (a very important theme of T20s), try innovation in batting thereby putting off the bowler and please oh mother of god, get rid off the batil list once and for all. Bangladesh team deserves better (hint: look at the ODI side that did wonders last year).
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Old January 20, 2016, 10:20 PM
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I think they should stop with these experiments.

They are making selection way too easy. One decent season or competition shouldnt warrant a place in the national side.

Faruque has done this before. We rush to bring in players, when they cant perform, we rush to chop them from the side. Anamuls and Mominuls are replaced by Litons and Sarkars, and now Mossadeks.

Also Shahid, Mosaddek-these guys are not meant for this format. I dont think what they are thinking. This is a classic case of selectors and team management going bonkers.
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Old January 20, 2016, 11:30 PM
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BD batsmen don't have physical strength to succeed in T20 and don't have mental strength to last in test. One day match is our forte.
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Old January 21, 2016, 02:27 AM
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Very true. We dont have too many big hitters-thats a major issue in T20's.

Guys like Masakadza, Sibanda, Chigumbura, Paul Stirling, Kevin O Brien, Shahzad (Afghanistan) all can clear the fence with so much ease. Even the likes of Sean Williams, Ervine they can play the normal shots as well as the big ones.

In our side only Sarkar and Shabbir are the clean hitters. But Shabbir too only hits over midwicket. Tamim's big hitting ability seems to have declined a bit. Shakib, Mushfiq, Riyad, Nasir-all these guys have to put in a lot of effort to clear the rope.
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Old January 21, 2016, 05:18 AM
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whtever but rony , mosadek , nurul , is a not ready for international cricket yet , they all should be out of world t20 squad , mustafizur and taskin should be bangladesh main pace attack in all format
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Old January 21, 2016, 06:16 AM
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whtever but rony , mosadek , nurul , is a not ready for international cricket yet , they all should be out of world t20 squad , mustafizur and taskin should be bangladesh main pace attack in all format
Mosaddek is suited for longer format true. But what wrong did Rony and Nurul do? Nurul looked good actually
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Old January 21, 2016, 06:40 AM
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Very true. We dont have too many big hitters-thats a major issue in T20's.

Guys like Masakadza, Sibanda, Chigumbura, Paul Stirling, Kevin O Brien, Shahzad (Afghanistan) all can clear the fence with so much ease. Even the likes of Sean Williams, Ervine they can play the normal shots as well as the big ones.

In our side only Sarkar and Shabbir are the clean hitters. But Shabbir too only hits over midwicket. Tamim's big hitting ability seems to have declined a bit. Shakib, Mushfiq, Riyad, Nasir-all these guys have to put in a lot of effort to clear the rope.
+ Soummo I think has a major problem in shot selections. And too much edges..phew..always feel nervous watching him bat.

Don't waste your talent Soummo.
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Old January 21, 2016, 07:23 AM
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Ppl should remember that this is their first debut match you don't expect them play like Lara, tendulkar. Give them some time and chances. Even on debut many greats struuggled.
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Old January 21, 2016, 08:14 AM
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Ppl should remember that this is their first debut match you don't expect them play like Lara, tendulkar. Give them some time and chances. Even on debut many greats struuggled.
The issue doesn't lies with the players rather the selectors. Ofcourse the players will want to play and perform but its upto selectors to know who is fit for T20 and who is not.

I am shocked that someone like Mosaddek who is known for his FC credentials has been fastracked into experimentation of T20s by selectors who apparently are supposed to have better cricketing brains than us
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Old January 21, 2016, 10:32 AM
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Our selectors are still living in 2005. They think a core group of players should play all forms of cricket. But they failed to see that the world has changed. You will see only one third of Aussie test players play in the t20 team. The way our selectors think is a player should be introduced to the international cricket through t20s, then gradually moved to odis and tests. If one can do well in one format, they call do well in others too. It would be an acceptable method if we had a small players pool like in Jamie Siddons era but I would like to think the players pool is significantly bigger now. When will they realise that a player like M'ullah is not a t20 material and he cannot be turned into a Kallis. If he could he would be by now. He had his fair share of opportunities. Doing well in odis does not warrant a player will do well in t20s too. Time to treat t20s and odis as different formats.
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This thread is a proof of how some fans over reacts.

Yes BPL3 had its ups and downs. But this one game where, selectors choose too many experimental new players along with some experienced players who are still struggling to get the form back, proved nothing about standard of BPL3.


Selectors made too many changes: performers from the 1st 2 T20 games like Mushfiq, Mustafiz, Tamim and Al-Amin were rested. The worst performer from1st two T20, Riyad, is still in the team while fans were whining about Al-Amin and Hom.

Imrul failed (atleast for one game) to give support to SS, while SS is trying to get back in form.

Our floater start floating too far from the land to make any attempt to contribute with the bat. The promising Nurul was not used properly when there was so many holes in the batting order and the target was set pretty high by ZIM.


These are the reasons why we lost. Not because of the quality of BPL3.

BPL3 may not be perfect, but it is still serving its purpose.
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Fact: Bangladesh have never chased a total in excess of 180.

I didn't expect them to in the last match.
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Old January 22, 2016, 05:10 AM
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BPL has made the players forget how to hit sixes

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Old January 22, 2016, 06:02 AM
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What's Tamim's excuse?
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