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Old March 9, 2016, 01:25 PM
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Default How lucky are We?

Should have a decent NRR of 1 by beating NED by 20 or so runs. Of course expected Ireland to smash Oman by 50 maybe more zo we woulda beeen screwed if the rest of the games get washed out. Heck even Oman could beat Ireland by a wider margin.

But the margin is just less than ours! If all the matches get rained out, we would beat Oman on NRR...just barely...and progress.

We (and Al Amin) got super lucky!
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Old March 9, 2016, 01:36 PM
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I hear Al-Amin's name a lot for his 19th over. He is no doubt a fan favorite scape goat.

If we want to pick one person. How about picking Nasir and his 2 over 24 runs with an average of 12 runs per over spell? Forget about his batting and dropped catch.

Yes indeed we ( and Nasir) got super lucky.
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Old March 9, 2016, 01:37 PM
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Very Lucky. Arafat's 6 was very important.
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Well the rain is expected from friday 6pm onwards. Enough time for the first match to start and played enough overs to get a result. Its a 3:00 o clock start local time, so the 2nd innings starts at 4:50. 1hour 10 mins enough to bowl 5 overs which is minimum requirement to get a result. We can still get screwed.
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Old March 9, 2016, 01:41 PM
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I hear Al-Amin's name a lot for his 19th over. He is no doubt a fan favorite scape goat.

If we want to pick one person. How about picking Nasir and his 2 over 24 runs with an average of 12 runs per over spell? Forget about his batting and dropped catch.

Yes indeed we ( and Nasir) got super lucky.
Al Amin is a specialist, Nasir is not. Nasir bowled tight against India. Al Amin lost that game for us much faster than we should have. Al Amin has been tonked at the death in every match so far.
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Old March 9, 2016, 01:42 PM
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Well the rain is expected from friday 6pm onwards. Enough time for the first match to start and played enough overs to get a result. Its a 3:00 o clock start local time, so the 2nd innings starts at 4:50. 1hour 10 mins enough to bowl 5 overs which is minimum requirement to get a result. We can still get screwed.
By who? Ireland are no threat. Doubt Oman will be.
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Al Amin is a specialist, Nasir is not. Nasir bowled tight against India. Al Amin lost that game for us much faster than we should have. Al Amin has been tonked at the death in every match so far.
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By who? Ireland are no threat. Doubt Oman will be.
First match is between Oman and Netherlands. Our match will most probably get washed out so not in our hands anymore
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Old March 9, 2016, 01:52 PM
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Al Amin is a specialist, Nasir is not. Nasir bowled tight against India. Al Amin lost that game for us much faster than we should have. Al Amin has been tonked at the death in every match so far.
Are we talking about game against India or today's game? So why bringing Indian's game here? What is Nasir's role any way? He bowled ( 24 runs in 2 over), he batted (7 ball 3 run SR 42) and he fielded ( one easy drop catch). His contribution was almost Golla ... Zero today. If he is not lucky to be in the team who should it be? Other alternative is Rahim.

Al-Amin never lost that game for us it was Rahim and Nasir who almost lost the game for us.

Al Amin has been tonked at the death in every match so far? You are grossly wrong my fiend. To refresh your memory please see Navo's comment in Al-Amin thread. he captured all in detailed. Link
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I feel that we might be having a curtailed match, maybe of 10-12 overs in which case we would dearly love Mustafiz in the side.
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Ireland and Oman don't have big hitters.
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Old March 9, 2016, 01:57 PM
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Ireland and Oman don't have big hitters.
Zeeshan Maqsood plays the slog well..but he's not a aerial player. And the other opener can smack it too
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Zeeshan Maqsood plays the slog well..but he's not a aerial player. And the other opener can smack it too
Not against our canny bowlers they won't be as good
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Old March 9, 2016, 02:25 PM
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If the matches get curtailed down to like 5 overs a side, we are doomed. Oman has their own Malinga and Sehwag.
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Old March 9, 2016, 02:44 PM
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Well the rain is expected from friday 6pm onwards. Enough time for the first match to start and played enough overs to get a result. Its a 3:00 o clock start local time, so the 2nd innings starts at 4:50. 1hour 10 mins enough to bowl 5 overs which is minimum requirement to get a result. We can still get screwed.
True that; not losing early wickets would be the key for whoever bat second. So winning toss and opting to bowl becomes important.
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Are we talking about game against India or today's game? So why bringing Indian's game here? What is Nasir's role any way? He bowled ( 24 runs in 2 over), he batted (7 ball 3 run SR 42) and he fielded ( one easy drop catch). His contribution was almost Golla ... Zero today. If he is not lucky to be in the team who should it be? Other alternative is Rahim.

Al-Amin never lost that game for us it was Rahim and Nasir who almost lost the game for us.

Al Amin has been tonked at the death in every match so far? You are grossly wrong my fiend. To refresh your memory please see Navo's comment in Al-Amin thread. he captured all in detailed. Link
Navo's link conviniently does not mention the India game in the final while mentions some game played 3 years back (when we had no other options anyways),...
If you did watch the game, than you would know that he did get tonked in the asia cup in the final overs... And almost all the wickets he got off the final overs were from terrible deliveries. You can read the commentry on Rohit, Afridi, Kulasekaras dismissal...
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Navo's link conviniently does not mention the India game in the final while mentions some game played 3 years back (when we had no other options anyways),...
If you did watch the game, than you would know that he did get tonked in the asia cup in the final overs... And almost all the wickets he got off the final overs were from terrible deliveries. You can read the commentry on Rohit, Afridi, Kulasekaras dismissal...
And still he was the highest wicket taker in Asian cup. it cannot be purely on luck, nor it can be by just bowling bad balls. Looks like its a case of "jare dekte nari, taar choron baka" case for some fans.

Even in this game, its couple of bad balls he bowled in 19th over. But he also took an important wicket in 19th over. And at that time the games was out of their range. It was in the middle of the innings when it looked like the game was getting out of our hand. And Al-Amin didn't bowled around that time in this particular game.

And about Final against India - We lost the final, not because of Al-Amin, We lost the game because we couldn't scored enough run to set a good target for India.... i.e. failure of our batting.

btw way we were always really bad in the death bowling before Al-Amin came. When Al-Amin came, he gave us some options. Do you remember how mashrafee and some other bowlers gave up some games during last few overs in ODI?

Without Mustafiz, he is the best we have right now. Taskin can be an option if he can bowl like today.


If you want to find the culprits in this game, Al-Amin was not one of them.... not even after his bowling in the 19th overs.
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Zeeshan Maqsood plays the slog well..but he's not a aerial player. And the other opener can smack it too
Did you see the catch he took today? Maybe top 25 catches of ALL time. Holy Macaroni!
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Did you see the catch he took today? Maybe top 25 catches of ALL time. Holy Macaroni!
I did... and I did made a post in this thread about it a couple of seconds after the catch was taken...

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Navo's link conviniently does not mention the India game in the final while mentions some game played 3 years back (when we had no other options anyways),...
If you did watch the game, than you would know that he did get tonked in the asia cup in the final overs... And almost all the wickets he got off the final overs were from terrible deliveries. You can read the commentry on Rohit, Afridi, Kulasekaras dismissal...
Sorry, among all the tabs I had open of the various T20I matches across his 3 year career, I'd forgotten about the rain curtailed 15 over final against India! It's been added.

I'm curious though, how do you define a good death over? Is it not taking wickets and/or maintaining a good economy (in the context of T20 cricket) across a span of time? The reason why I showed the 19th and 20th over he bowled across his career is to illustrate that he has bowled well at the death for some time now.

I am not sure how a delivery is terrible if it yields wickets regularly. Here's a theory: maybe in T20 cricket, "ugly" bowling, like bowling wide of off-stump, low full tosses, slow bouncers etc. is quite often effective? After all, you expect to be hit and place your best outfielders (SS, Tamim etc) accordingly. This is not to say that Mustafiz or even Taskin aren't 'better' but I feel we are really doing this guy a disservice by undermining his bowling efforts over an extended period of time.
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Sorry, among all the tabs I had open of the various T20I matches across his 3 year career, I'd forgotten about the rain curtailed 15 over final against India! It's been added.

I'm curious though, how do you define a good death over? Is it not taking wickets and/or maintaining a good economy (in the context of T20 cricket) across a span of time? The reason why I showed the 19th and 20th over he bowled across his career is to illustrate that he has bowled well at the death for some time now.

I am not sure how a delivery is terrible if it yields wickets regularly. Here's a theory: maybe in T20 cricket, "ugly" bowling, like bowling wide of off-stump, low full tosses, slow bouncers etc. is quite often effective? After all, you expect to be hit and place your best outfielders (SS, Tamim etc) accordingly. This is not to say that Mustafiz or even Taskin aren't 'better' but I feel we are really doing this guy a disservice by undermining his bowling efforts over an extended period of time.
slow bouncer or even off cutter is a good ball in death over, but not when you start bowling slowers every ball, than the batsman starts expecting it and u end up getting tonked for 6, like what happened today when bukhari tonked the third slower in a row for a 6.

Bowling wide of off stump is great when the batsman tries to make room outside leg stump.. he did do that for 2 deliveries today (1 was a wide) and the other was a good one.

However half volleys, length deliveries and low full tosses at 120kmph are not good bowls. He did get wickets using all those deliveries during asia cup but sooner or later this kind of luck would run out. Dhoni showed what can be done with this kind of bowling.. Even nederland tail enders looked comfortable tonking him.

Finally, I just want to say that Mashrafee and the team management definitely understands the game a lot better than me. I am just saying it from my own batting experience of playing 2nd division cricket which is nothing more than amateur cricket. So I do not claim I am right, but I think I am right. People can disagree with my analysis and they may be right like yourself and Fazal.
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Are we talking about game against India or today's game? So why bringing Indian's game here? What is Nasir's role any way? He bowled ( 24 runs in 2 over), he batted (7 ball 3 run SR 42) and he fielded ( one easy drop catch). His contribution was almost Golla ... Zero today. If he is not lucky to be in the team who should it be? Other alternative is Rahim.

Al-Amin never lost that game for us it was Rahim and Nasir who almost lost the game for us.

Al Amin has been tonked at the death in every match so far? You are grossly wrong my fiend. To refresh your memory please see Navo's comment in Al-Amin thread. he captured all in detailed. Link
I am only talking about recent past, asia cup onwards. Al Amin has been lucky. He did get rohit and dhawan wickets early but apart from that has been subpar. Stuart binny took 6 for 4 once and that was the most mediocre bowling performance to get success. Wickets dont tell the whole story.

I believe Haider would be a better investment. Thats all.
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Are we talking about game against India or today's game? So why bringing Indian's game here? What is Nasir's role any way? He bowled ( 24 runs in 2 over), he batted (7 ball 3 run SR 42) and he fielded ( one easy drop catch). His contribution was almost Golla ... Zero today. If he is not lucky to be in the team who should it be? Other alternative is Rahim.

Al-Amin never lost that game for us it was Rahim and Nasir who almost lost the game for us.

Al Amin has been tonked at the death in every match so far? You are grossly wrong my fiend. To refresh your memory please see Navo's comment in Al-Amin thread. he captured all in detailed. Link
Im talking about asia cup onwards. I just think Haider has more upside and is a better investment. Talent needs to be persisted with like how everyone wanted Taskin dropped after a few bad games in BPL.
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Let's see what happens. At the end of the day, it's good that there is competition for spots and as Rony is really young, he has many chances for establishing himself in the team. (Especially as Al Amin is quite poor with the bat and in the field)
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Im talking about asia cup onwards. I just think Haider has more upside and is a better investment. Talent needs to be persisted with like how everyone wanted Taskin dropped after a few bad games in BPL.
Abu Hider is more talented than Al Amin is your personal opinion. There aren't any stats to translate that opinion into a fact. Hider can make the team but not in the expense of our best bowler in the format
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