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Old July 7, 2016, 11:08 AM
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Default Solution - of extremism

In few folds folds.

1. Education on proper Islam and practice it. Know your God and his Power. Know what is right and what is wrong. Killing innocent people is wrong. Going back to Quran and know the meaning of the verses. The proper interpretation. Mosques, Schools, Madrasas, Universities, Colleges, all education institutions. Because that is their recruiting grounds. (Putting more police guards in front of establishment will not deter these boys.)

2. Police, RAB can't fix this. They are not equipped or trained to handle this. Army needs to sweep the country. Root out. There must be a camp or two. Some safe houses. If boys are missing for a month then there is a problem. Families must help. Those are the leads. Police can't protect the borders as well.

3. TV Channels, New media, Radios have responsibilities. They all need to unite and give one message. Stop these "alochona onnushthan" and speak what is necessary for the youth to know.

4. We all have to do our job to spread the message. Use social Media. May our Lord guide us. This is a wake up call.
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Old July 7, 2016, 12:20 PM
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One point I see cropping up everywhere there is a terror attack is, the attackers are not Muslims and their actions un-Islamic. This might seem fine to some, but there is something more that needs to be done other than mere lip service.

If these scum are no longer Muslims:
  • Why should we accord them Islamic last rites?
  • Are they now apostates?

If folks say we do not have the rights to call someone a kafir or apostate, the same applies to calling the terrorists un-Islamic. Simply saying that they cannot be Muslims because of their actions does not count.

This is an example of classic obfuscation and apologist logic which falls apart on closer scrutiny.

Another irritating thing I have noticed in our so called scholars is how they harp about poverty and marginalization as the leading cause of terrorism. This is indeed laughable as clearly evidenced recently in Bangladesh and also in the past in other countries. I feel its unjust to use the poor rickshaw-wala, fish vendor, vegetable vendor as easy scapegoats who shoulder the blame for religious extremism. These hardworking folk would rather spend their lives bettering their own lot and that of their children. They have no time for grand Ummah dreams.

We need honesty in society and we need to call a spade a spade. That's what Bangladesh needs. If Bengalis pride themselves on their intellect and critical thinking, now is the best time as any to move forward.
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Echo 100% with what Tigers_Eye bhai said:

my dui poisha:

Things Bangladesh should do:

*) Have a secured border, meaning We should be aware of who enters the country and who leaves the country...using International Airport is not the only means of entering/exiting country.

**) Have a Database of where and from whom and how much funds coming into/out of the country...

***) Have a Terrorism hotline meaning, if anybody sees anything suspicious instead of watching it go by, contact the authorities so that immediate action can be taken....

****) Have the Police force undergo counter-terrorism training and have them go through drills

Two simple ideas but may be very complicated and sophisticated to implement however can go a long way to track down domestic and international terrorism.....
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Old July 8, 2016, 09:45 AM
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Few things we must be willing to do for safety

1/ Forget about privacy, accept the idea that safety is more important that privacy.

2/ Internet access should be made limited. That is a very hard job but we must strive to allow people to access sites that are proven to be safe. Block the rest

3/ Government must create an app similar to Watsapp/Viber that can be accessed by Bangladeshis and government can monitor the app. And Watsapp/Viber and other such apps should be blocked from use.

I know I dont live in Bangladesh, so it is easy for me to comment about letting go of all privacy, but trust me, I would give up privacy for the safety of my citizens.
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Old July 9, 2016, 03:45 PM
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Mullahs, Imam needs to do part of khutbas in Bengali.
language of the land. So that people understand whatis being said.

Topic should be tolerance for the next 3 months. Relating people. Muslims, people of books, or neighbors.
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Old July 9, 2016, 04:15 PM
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Mullahs, Imam needs to do part of khutbas in Bengali.
language of the land. So that people understand whatis being said.

Topic should be tolerance for the next 3 months. Relating people. Muslims, people of books, or neighbors.
Dream on!!
During the eid Khutba's only a few imams decided to mention/pray for Gulshan or condemn the attack...Usually they never fail to pray for Palestine btw.. The most outspoken one (against islamist attacks) was himself a target in sholakia...,, this is new bangladesh.. the sooner we learn to accept the reality the easier it is for the people to deal with the problem.
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Old July 11, 2016, 01:13 AM
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Anyone else see the irony in the name "peace tv" from zakir nayek
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Old July 11, 2016, 05:37 AM
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Anyone else see the irony in the name "peace tv" from zakir nayek
Indeed.

Just read an article in an Indian news paper, he is currently in the dock for diverting foreign funds obtained for his NGO Islamic Research Foundation to his TV channel Peace TV. The screws have tightened.

Another aspect worth noting is that Dar-ul-Uloom-Deoband has stated that Muslims not follow him as reference in matters related to fiqh (Islamic law and jurisprudence).

http://www.central-mosque.com/index....s-of-fiqh.html

In a gist what they said to him looks very clear. Your field of work is "comparative religion" keep doing that, do not try to teach/interpret deen e Islam for believers. Its none of your business. They have relegated him to C division.
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Indeed.

Just read an article in an Indian news paper, he is currently in the dock for diverting foreign funds obtained for his NGO Islamic Research Foundation to his TV channel Peace TV. The screws have tightened.

Another aspect worth noting is that Dar-ul-Uloom-Deoband has stated that Muslims not follow him as reference in matters related to fiqh (Islamic law and jurisprudence).

http://www.central-mosque.com/index....s-of-fiqh.html

In a gist what they said to him looks very clear. Your field of work is "comparative religion" keep doing that, do not try to teach/interpret deen e Islam for believers. Its none of your business. They have relegated him to C division.
Try to understand this to some of our fellow Bangladeshis, they are very sad that peace TV is cancelled in Bangladesh..
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Old July 11, 2016, 08:54 AM
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Try to understand this to some of our fellow Bangladeshis, they are very sad that peace TV is cancelled in Bangladesh..
Two things

1/ Fellow Bangladeshis (a good number of them) is an unique breed. They would use the worst of language towards you and than praise the God in the same sentence.

2/ I was recently (yesterday) requested by a family friend to not judge Bangladeshis based on lowly educated but extremely vocal Facebook addicts in Bangladesh. Not sure if that is valid but I hope it is...


http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2016/...gelist-of-hate
Here are his (mr Naik) controversial quotes VIA bdnews24.com


Questionable quotes

Origin: Darwin’s theory of evolution is just a ‘theory’ and not a fact like the ‘theory’ of creation.

Terror: “If al-Qaeda’s Osama Bin Laden is on the truth and fighting Islam’s enemies then I’m for him… If he is terrorising America, the biggest terrorists I’m with him.” He explains further: “Every Muslim should be a terrorist to the anti-social element.”

LGBT: “They are sinful patients suffering from a mental problem,” and demands death penalty for homosexuals.

Non-Muslims: "Allah shall not accept anyone except Muslims."

Interfaith marriage: “If you have a vehicle where one tyre is of a cycle and the other is of a truck, then the vehicle will not run,” he tells to a woman and says “Allah will never forgive her”.

9/11: Even a fool would know that the US, not al-Qaeda, is behind the attack on the World Trade Center.

Sex: “You can have sex with your wife and whatever your right hand possesses.”

Clothing: “If exposure of body is modernism, then animals are more modern than humans.
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^^ those analogies....

Who is this guy?
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Old July 11, 2016, 09:45 AM
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Try to understand this to some of our fellow Bangladeshis, they are very sad that peace TV is cancelled in Bangladesh..
অনিক ভাই, ইটাও হইলো সমস্যা। যে নিজের দিমাগ ব্যবহার করে না তারে জাকির নায়েক কি, যে কেও বিপথে লইয়া যাইতো ফারে।
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I don't know why people take Naik as a religious authority. He is a medical doctor. I never understood the fan following and all his grand stage performances. It seems very pretentious and like a competition.

Anyway, parents should be more involved in the children's lives. Don't just give them a PC and broadband internet and leave them alone. Monitor what they are watching and doing.
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Please stop this Pakistan bashing. ISIS Taleban have slowly but surely started to taint BD as well. We should now at least comprehend how painful it is to see your beloved motherland going downhill because of those Fanatics. No need to belittle Pakisntan anymore. We may end up like them too and we would not like if people make fun of our desolation.
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I don't know why people take Naik as a religious authority. He is a medical doctor. I never understood the fan following and all his grand stage performances. It seems very pretentious and like a competition.
Because he can answer people's question. He may not give the correct answer or any sensible answer but he somehow can give an answer. And the random use of verses. Like he can literally say which chapter and which line certain verse came from. Not only Quran, but he has demonstrated similar grip on Bible, Geeta, Torah as well. And people were like...wow..Lok ta kotto kisu jane.

People want instant interpretation, do not want to do research. And he delivers just that
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Banning Peace tv does not make much sense to me.
If it was that controversial then why was not it banned before ?
Must be because some of the gulshan terrorists were his fan , well one of them was also a fan of Shraddha Kapoor and danced with her but that did not stop him from killing an Indian girl that night.

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Please stop this Pakistan bashing. ISIS Taleban have slowly but surely started to taint BD as well. We should now at least comprehend how painful it is to see your beloved motherland going downhill because of those Fanatics. No need to belittle Pakisntan anymore. We may end up like them too and we would not like if people make fun of our desolation.
nobody is bashing pakistan, the current situation in Bangladesh is not same as the current situation in pakistan. It may become one day but there is a difference between is and may, crying about it doesn't help the cause
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nobody is bashing pakistan, the current situation in Bangladesh is not same as the current situation in pakistan. It may become one day but there is a difference between is and may, crying about it doesn't help the cause
Pakistani intelligence is very sophisticated and they have a very strong army as well. Still they could not escape. I remember how people here were ridiculing Pakistan for not able to control isis and not getting any cricket at home. We may also have to go through similar experience if things dont improve.

We also laughed at Ajmal and Salman and co. And then we got Sunny, Taskin and Ash

Karma is a you know what bro. Thats why I dont want to say anything about Pakistan, Afghanistan or other ME countries anymore. Oneke bole na je onner baccha niye baje kotha bolte nei tahole nijer bacchar kharap hoy...Bhoy ta oi khanei. I know my fear has no strong ground but still mone boddo bhoy
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Roman bhai... pakistan and us, we have a history. Considering what they did to us, a bit of bitterness from us is fair game dont you think?

As far as their security situation goes... they share the border with Afghanistan, their intelligence agency sponsors terrorists and the vast majority of their population is ultra conservative. Honor killings and stoning etc are reported regularly. So the radicalism threat over there is much more than us.

However Bangladesh is moving towards a much more conservative spectrum too over the last 10 years and so it is not impossible that we would the same kind of long term terrorist problem like Pakistan. In fact every muslim country right now is going to face this problem. IS issued an even more troubling message for Malaysia and Indonesia. As long as the conservatives live in denial blaming jews hindus and christians for all their problem, we wont come out of this mess.
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Banning Peace tv does not make much sense to me.
If it was that controversial then why was not it banned before ?


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Because people did not think of the horrific consequences before. Just like cancer people diagnosed this desease a little too late. Peace tv should have been banned ages ago and it took an attack like the gulshan one to wake up the authorities. Government is trying to uproot all avenues by which kids can be radicalized. It is more of a desparate attempt right now rather than a meaningful one. The cancer has reached the top layer of society. Soon we have to deal with madrasa radicals to NSU radicals and god knows what else.
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Not a fan of Zakir Naik because of his tone and his fans who are like cult members, but did Peace TV actually have a role in radicalizing Muslims or is it a case of guilt by association ?
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Banning Peace tv does not make much sense to me.
If it was that controversial then why was not it banned before ?
Must be because some of the gulshan terrorists were his fan , well one of them was also a fan of Shraddha Kapoor and danced with her but that did not stop him from killing an Indian girl that night.

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If the terrorists were killing people in the name of 'bollywood' or if they weren't Islamic terrorists(deny it or not) but 'bollywoody' world wannabi terrorists then obviously not just Shraddha Kapoor but whole Kapoor khandan would be banned from the industry.
(And new hashtag would start '#BollywoodDontSupportTerrorist, #ActorsAreNotTerrorists'..)
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The day conservatives understand that in this vast universe, humanity must have a bigger purpose than to quarrel over religion and kill each other over centuries, that is the day extremism will vanish. Liberals up until now had no problems living beside conservatives because liberals mind their own business.

Conservatives on the otherhand has a perpetual itch to preach and quote holy text and enlighten people. While most do it gently with respect you still have a small extremist portion that would like to do it by force. Right now too much focus is on small things at the expense of basic human decency. The fact that we are human beings first and christians muslims and jews later seems to be lost. Delving further into any religion is likely to derail people further in my humble opinion. We dont hear agnostics taking atheists hostages and beheading them for a reason. Liberals have an open mind and they like an open discussion, they dont simply follow what they are told but rather analyse and question, they look to the future and give importance to life here on earth rather than paradise. Conservatives like to hold on to things of the past at all cost even if it is not relevant to modern societies. More importance is on afterlife for them.

Hence right now this is evolving into a clash of two ways of life and we dont know who will eventually prevail.
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Roman bhai... pakistan and us, we have a history. Considering what they did to us, a bit of bitterness from us is fair game dont you think?
ঠিক কইসো জাদুকর ভাই।
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ইতিহাস কে ভুলে যেয়োনা,
সে যে ভোলার জিনিস নয়।
যে ভুলে ইতিহাসের শিক্ষা,
তার আবার একি দুর্গতি হয়।
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