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Old May 29, 2017, 01:35 AM
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Default England Players Weaknesses: A guide for our tigers

Let's compile all the weakness of the English players before the Champions Trophy match so that it gives our boys a headstart on how to defeat them. I believe the list we compile here might help,

1) Alex Hales:
Technically he is not brilliant. The ball nipping back on the stumps will cause him problems because he likes to free his arms and play through the off side. He has to work out a way of playing that ball and then when he gets one on ‘fourth stump’, just look to work it through the off side, like he does in one-day cricket.

Junior Dala on Hales: “I knew he hasn’t played a Test yet so I knew he was under pressure. I just came in and went hard at him, trying to expose the fact he is keen to score runs. It looks like he is trying to open up the off side every time he faces the ball. I just tried to keep it simple, tuck him up, and he struggles on the leg side. It’s nice when a game plan comes together."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/c...-a6776281.html

My opinion: Seems to get out caught a lot (34/43 innings).

31 dismissals against RHB but his average takes a dip against left arm bowlers.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...missal_summary

right-arm bowler

2014-2017 31 3 17 8 1 2 0 0 0 0 40.32 3
left-arm bowler 2014-2016 10 1 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 23.50 0

right-arm pace

2014-2017 27 3 15 7 0 2 0 0 0 0 38.59 3
right-arm spin 2014-2016 4 0 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 52.00 0
left-arm pace 2015-2016 5 0 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 19.20 0
left-arm spin 2014-2016 5 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 27.80 0
mixture/unknown 2017-2017 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 9.00 0



To me, the best bet looks like Mustafizur to get him out.

2) Jason Roy:

Looks to be quite good of spin actually. Eventhough Shakib got him out in Dhaka and Mash got him out in Chittagong. What stands out is vs England RA Jadeja got him out 3 times in a row. Only has 2 not outs out of 40 odd innings, so is a clear hitter. Mohammad Irfan has taken his wickets 3 times as well in 5 matches (Jadeja 3 times in 5 matches as well).

This is his dismissal summary in International cricket:

Dismissal summary
right-arm bowler 2015-2017 23 4 13 2 0 4 0 0 0 0 32.47 1
left-arm bowler 2015-2017 15 4 8 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 37.06 3
unknown arm 2016-2016 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 20.00 0

pace bowler 2015-2017 27 6 14 3 0 4 0 0 0 0 23.92 4
spin bowler 2015-2017 11 2 7 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 59.72 0
mixture/unknown 2016-2016 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 20.00 0

right-arm pace 2015-2017 18 4 9 2 0 3 0 0 0 0 26.61 1
right-arm spin 2015-2017 5 0 4 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 53.60 0
left-arm pace 2015-2017 9 2 5 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 18.55 3
left-arm spin 2015-2017 6 2 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 64.83 0
mixture/unknown 2016-2016 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 20.00 0

His average against left-arm pace does look like a gift to us. But his overall average against Spin is quite good would you all agree? Best bet for me to get him out is Mustafizur/Shakib.

3) Ben Stokes

Seems like he has been playing for ever, a very high number of bowled in his stats suggest he misses the line of the ball. Get him in early in the innings with a swinging ball and he might be in trouble, still remember Mashrafe dismissing him for naught in Dhaka with an inswinger.

Dismissal summary
right-arm bowler 2011-2017 29 10 17 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 24.37 5
left-arm bowler 2013-2017 14 3 7 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 34.42 0
unknown arm 2015-2015 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 10.00 0















































right-arm pace 2013-2017 18 7 10 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 32.83 5
right-arm spin 2011-2017 11 3 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 10.54 0
left-arm pace 2013-2015 8 3 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 31.75 0
left-arm spin 2014-2017 6 0 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 38.00 0
mixture/unknown 2015-2015 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 10.00 0

Best bet to get him out is a right arm pace bowler bowling inswing. Mashrafe and Rubel comes to mind, Taskin as well.

4) Eoin Morgan

His stats show that he is very weak against right arm bowlers, namely spinners. So targetting him with an offspinner is a must.

Got out 115 times by a Right-arm bowler and 25 by Left armers. Out of the 115 times by a right armer, this is his stats:

right-arm pace

2007-2017 72 4 48 18 0 2 0 0 0 0 30.16 8
right-arm spin 2009-2017 42 7 20 5 5 5 0 0 0 0 23.04 2

42 times he has been dismissed by right-arm spin.

He has been caught 108 times as well, which means setting up a field and trapping him is the way to go along with right-arm spin/pace.

5) Jos Butler


His stats suggest he has the tendency to get out very cheaply.

Out of 78 innings he has batted for, he has got out 38 times for < 30 runs.
He has got out to Right arm pace bowlers more than anyone. So I would target him with pace, someone like Rubel/Taskin/Mashrafe.

Tiger1000 suggested that he gets out if runs dry out as well, so keeping his scoring under tick will help Bangladesh too, it will kill two birds with one stone type of thing, he can score quickly so we need to keep his scoring shots to a minimum and wait for him to make a mistake. To me, Butler is the danger guy.

To be continued... Will compile a full list. Please add here as well so I can add into the thread before June 1st. Thanks guys.

In Bowling

I feel as some of us have pointed out, England's main weakness is in bowling. That is where we can take England out of the game. It will be hard to get into a scoring contest with them, but if we can restrict them to a chaseable total and choke out their runs then I feel we got a good chance, specially because their bowling is their main weakness.

This article sums it up beautifully (http://cricviz.com/2016/08/englands-...ns-a-weakness/)

Quote:
The CricViz database records that Stokes, in returning 0-54 from 8.2 overs, attempted just three slower balls and found no discernible swing or seam. The lack of movement was not his fault – this was a flat wicket and he did not have use of the new ball – but should he have been trying more slower balls?
Quote:
The stats show also that Moeen had a bad shift at the office with his lengths that evening: six short-pitched balls and three full tosses, one at beamer height. As for the seamers, Stokes only got one attempted yorker on the spot, three others ending up as half volleys, two as full tosses.
Quote:
Woakes produced a little more movement, with five off cutters, and his lengths were better than Plunkett’s. However his economy rate would have surely been even better had he not bowled 20 balls on leg stump or down leg which produced 24 runs in all.
Why was Rashid so hard to score off? His line was excellent; by now he had added the top spinner to his armoury (so was bowling three different deliveries) and 77% of his balls were at that ideal spinner’s length just short of a half-volley.


Team Result


If England bats second, their result is:

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Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Apr 2015
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Batting or fielding first fielding first
Totals in terms of batting team
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England 2015-2017 18 13 5 0 0 2.600 43.38 6.15 18 366 204


If they bat first...


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Primary team England
Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Apr 2015
Match result won match or lost match
Batting or fielding first batting first
Totals in terms of batting team
Ordered by matches played (descending)
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Overall figures
England 2015-2017 23 14 9 0 0 1.555 39.33 6.38 23 444 138

There is a clear distinction there. So looks like they are better chasers than setting up a target. That can be contested as we did set up a good total in the World Cup and won that match but I am focusing more on the new England and a W/L of 1.555 batting first is not actually bad, and also they did get their 444 score batting first. I would say the toss is not a factor for them, but a win at the toss should push us to bat, considering if the conditions suit us. Otherwise if the conditions favour bowling then we have the condition and the stats to push them into a backfoot.

Conclusion

I just want to say, these stats are not the only guideline. But I am still compiling them and will compile them for all the teams we are playing against (hopefully) so that we can find their weakness and really target that. I think eventhough England comes off as a very good team in their own conditions, I think if we can put them under pressure they will crumble because we are not playing infront of our home crowd with expectations. So we should really go out there on June 1st with the idea to enjoy ourselves and show the world the talent we have. Haturu always asked the players to express themselves and thats what they should do that day. I think England will prepare a batting heaven and really look to bat us out of the game, so if we can put a break on that and chase something low then we got a real chance of winning. I am not going to put a score we should be chasing if we bat second or bat first but we have to look for 350 onwards as a score we can chase or should set. If we can target their weakness it can get even lower which is good for us.
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Old May 29, 2017, 04:29 AM
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Hales - struggles around 5th stump if it's nipping away

Roy - plants his feet across, open to a fast in swinger

Root - needs great ball, pitch on 4th stump straightening or mustafizur

Morgan - suspect vs short bowl, also struggles when cramped and can't get his cut off

Stokes - struggles at start to spin and swing, mash and shakib need to take him out

Buttler - seems to get himself out if runs dry out

Moeen - struggles vs aggressive bowling and away from his body
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Old May 29, 2017, 04:31 AM
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Old May 29, 2017, 04:32 AM
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England bowlers go for a lot of runs,thats how we beat them in the One Dayers.
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Old May 29, 2017, 04:43 AM
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England bowlers go for a lot of runs,thats how we beat them in the One Dayers.
Yes that is defo true.

Finch 154: Dernbach needed some burnol after the spanking he received from Finch

Plunkett
Finn
Wood
Stokes

Are also run machines if they cannot settle in their spells.
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England bowlers go for a lot of runs,thats how we beat them in the One Dayers.
Pitches are disgustingly flat in England now

It's not nice to see a par 340 wicket, it holds no skill, all you have to do is not suck as a batsman and you'll get 50, never see a good contest vs bat and ball now, bat's are huge, boundaries are smaller and pitches are roads, I couldn't care about bat sizes if they gave something to the bowler, bit of swing and spin

Hopefully they'll give some 280~ pitches, but I doubt it
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Sort of a longish thread and post, I hope the research pays off. Main post updated now guys. Please contribute more with each players weakness, if you could post videos/articles/news on individual players that would be great help as well.
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Sort of a longish thread and post, I hope the research pays off. Main post updated now guys. Please contribute more with each players weakness, if you could post videos/articles/news on individual players that would be great help as well.
Well, yes I am sure our team management relies on BC to get intel on opponents.

Regardless, great job guys.
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Eng has weakeness against good spin, tight bowling. Don't give them chance to open their arms with ease too much, don't be loose, cause at home Eng have been bullying everyone since 2015 WC QF knock out to BD. So, discipline is important, bowl slow balls to the openers, mix it up.
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