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Old June 30, 2017, 11:17 AM
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Default ***Truth Behind Mustafizur's Struggles***

What happened to him during CT? What caused him to bowl poor line and length? How serious was that injury? How much to blame Walsh for his decline? What's the real reason? Are we missing something out?
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Old June 30, 2017, 11:59 AM
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- The novelty factor has gone. Batsman dont fear him anymore.
- Pace has dropped down considerably. This is down to his injury.
- Most importantly, Lack of a bowling coach who prepares a specific bowling plan/field placements for him. The coach we have right now is a guy on a BCB sponsored holiday. Everytime the camera focuses on him, he is seen on his ipad watching netflix. Heath streak like all other good bowling coaches, used to be at the boundary ropes providing tips to the bowlers in between overs.
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Old June 30, 2017, 12:34 PM
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The novelty factor has gone. Batsman dont fear him anymore.
This may or may not be true. Could it not be that his novelty factor is more effective in sub-continent wickets compared to say overseas?
I think we may get a clear picture once Fizz starts to bowl again in sub-continent, maybe in august vs. Australia.

We often see some batsman or bowlers struggle in particular countries, could it not be that Fizz style of bowling doesn't suit the English conditions? maybe England is one of those countries where his bowling just wouldn't click?

Once again, we may find out if its only England, when Mustafizur plays for us against SA. If he does well there, maybe it's just that one off country which most batsman or bowlers often underperform in.
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Old June 30, 2017, 12:51 PM
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Most importantly, Lack of a bowling coach who prepares a specific bowling plan/field placements for him. The coach we have right now is a guy on a BCB sponsored holiday. Everytime the camera focuses on him, he is seen on his ipad watching netflix.
Some of the senior members wanted Walsh to be given some time. But, before CT started, during NZ series, I called for the removal of Courtney Walsh. Under his leadership, the bowling unit has regressed. Let just take away all the wickets Mashrafe has taken for us in the last 2 years, what would that leave Walsh with? a dire bowling attack. In the last two years, our main bowler has been Mashrafe and Shakib, since WC. In my opinion, Mash is actually saving Courtney Walsh's job. I would love to hear the opinion of those seniors that wanted Walsh to be given more time. Not just the seniors, but also the members - what has Walsh contributed to our bowling unit? as we focus on Fizz in this thread - has he helped Fizz?
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Is this another 'Walsh is of no Use' thread?
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Old June 30, 2017, 01:09 PM
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Please don't blame Walsh.

He is bowling rubbish lines and lengths and not even the best coaches will be able to help if you don't land the Ball in the right areas.

He was bowling:
1) wide slash me balls
2) full drive me balls
3) legstump deliveries that say "why don't you glance at me"

Instead of blaming it on XYZ let's accept that Fizz had bowled utter tripe and even at 150 those deliveries would have travelled to the boundary, only quicker

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Is this another 'Walsh is of no Use' thread?
Yup!!!!
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Old June 30, 2017, 03:12 PM
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You can't avoid Walsh - his the bowling coach.

Needs to be responsible for the failure of the overall bowling unit, not only fizz.
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Old June 30, 2017, 03:16 PM
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When are players gonna take responsibility for poor form?
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Old June 30, 2017, 03:23 PM
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Any particular players that were out of form? who you think should take responsibility?

Did you see how the boys bowled as a unit under heath streak vs. Courtney walsh? do you see any difference?

Also, what do you think about Fizz? what happened to him.
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Old June 30, 2017, 03:33 PM
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I know that bowling in the death has improved.

That's the only thing I've noticed.

I have called for the bowling coach to be sacked a while back.

As for mustafizur, I think he's not the same bowler as before he had his surgery. It a work in progress. He is still a wicket taker though.

When I speak of responsibility, I mean that knowing from within that not giving your all, using some common sense...look at speedster Taskin.

Remember that the players are not robots, they are humans, and are capable of making mistakes...taking responsibility for that is the first step in addressing that there's a problem
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I know that bowling in the death has improved.

That's the only thing I've noticed.

I have called for the bowling coach to be sacked a while back.

As for mustafizur, I think he's not the same bowler as before he had his surgery. It a work in progress. He is still a wicket taker though.

When I speak of responsibility, I mean that knowing from within that not giving your all, using some common sense...look at speedster Taskin.

Remember that the players are not robots, they are humans, and are capable of making mistakes...taking responsibility for that is the first step in addressing that there's a problem
Nothing wrong with the point you make, but when it becomes a collective underperformance of bowlers than you tend to question the bowling coach more. Had it been one/two players you can say something like they were out of form. Apart from Mash, the bowling unit, especially pacers hasn't done anything of merit. Can we put that down to not taking responsibility? series after series? or at least the last 12 months? at what stage do we hold the coach responsible for collective failure of the bowling unit?
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As for mustafizur, I think he's not the same bowler as before he had his surgery. It a work in progress. He is still a wicket taker though.
Do you believe Courtney Walsh is the right coach for the development of Mustafiz?
Can he help Fizz regain his old form?
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Do you believe Courtney Walsh is the right coach for the development of Mustafiz?
Can he help Fizz regain his old form?
No, he needs a pure bowling coach, one who has been in the area of expertise for a while and is proven to the development of players.

We all know that Walsh doesn't fit that category.

Mustafizur needs a more technical coach to work with him.

I have said this before, but I think Jason Gillespie would be great and the ideal guy. He works with the Australian women's team setup.
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Do you believe Courtney Walsh is the right coach for the development of Mustafiz?
Can he help Fizz regain his old form?
I don't think he can, if he is able to he would have done it by now. Walsh is a legend but I think we need someone like Heath streak, who can give our play kick in the back side to perform.
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- Pace has dropped down considerably. This is down to his injury.
How long would he need to recovery his pace?
Can he recover his pace? or the extent of his shoulder injury wouldn't allow him to sustain it?

The injury came at very wrong time. Couldn't wait after CT.
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Old June 30, 2017, 03:57 PM
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Or maybe Damien Fleming...he is a really good technical guy
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Not just fizz, the entire team. During CT we took about 10wickets in total out of 40 possible wickets. This alone tells a lot.
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I am actually worried about Taskin. This guy was totally hapless during CT. He became a Shahadat 2.0 He needs help the most.

Wish we could get Streak back. Under his guidance, he was very effective
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I don't think he can, if he is able to he would have done it by now. Walsh is a legend but I think we need someone like Heath streak, who can give our play kick in the back side to perform.
Heath Streak was a top coach for us.
Has been rewarded by being made Head coach of Zimbabwe, I can see them improve under him.

It's not easy to find special type of bowling coach like Streak.
Maybe BCB should form a committee to find a bowling coach who can help our bowlers with technical and tactical aspect of bowling?

Saying that, I'm sure we can find someone better than Walsh.
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I am actually worried about Taskin. This guy was totally hapless during CT. He became a Shahadat 2.0 He needs help the most.

Wish we could get Streak back. Under his guidance, he was very effective
I was on vacation for two week during BPL, just to watch BPL - yes I'm that crazy.

I saw domestic bowlers hitting Taskin for boundaries, his economy rate in BPL was 8+. My gut feeling say's Roy is better than him. I have watched Roy very closely during BPL, performed consistently, and bowled great line and length. What was surprising was his pace, very similar to Taskin. Saying that, doesn't mean Taskin should be forgotten, maybe he can work hard and become better? but if I had to chose between Taskin and Roy, from what I have seen in BPL and his short career as international bowler, I would pick Roy.
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Even Prasad would have been better than Him
No offense to our Indian members.
I would be very scared to have a Indian as bowling coach, especially for our pacers.
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No offense to our Indian members.
I would be very scared to have a Indian as bowling coach, especially for our pacers.
Why is that? Care to explain why an Indian might not be a good bowling/batting coach?
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Why is that? Care to explain why an Indian might not be a good bowling/batting coach?
Has there been any successful international bowling coach that came out of India? I don't remember any. If they had the qualities by now most international teams would run after them. I just don't think they have good bowling coaches, especially Pace coach. On the other hand, I would take a indian batting coach/consultant any day of the week - it's in their blood, batting.
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What happened to him during CT? What caused him to bowl poor line and length? How serious was that injury? How much to blame Walsh for his decline? What's the real reason? Are we missing something out?
You opened a thread just to speculate..
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