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Old September 4, 2017, 12:16 AM
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Default The Imrul kayes obsession

please explain the obsession with Imrul considering he has never performed consistently and has the lowest average in the team. The selectos want to replace Mominul the highest average with the lowest average. sound about right doesn't it
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Old September 4, 2017, 12:28 AM
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His technique looks flashy. The kind of flsshiness you see in world class batsman.

But unlike world class batsman Imrul has a poor technique. His feet movement is not upto the mark and he has one of the worst hand hand eye coordination I have ever seen for an opener.

I would pick Soumya ahead of him. Atleast Soumya can atleast field well

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Old September 4, 2017, 12:32 AM
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Someone please reopen the discussion I had with Bengalipagol regarding KaEdge.
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Old September 4, 2017, 12:49 AM
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I am one of the biggest critiques of KaEdge but I have to give him some slack here

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

look at his batting avg for last two and a half years

its 47+ when he is opening and 7 when he is not.

he is a very limited player and I dont expect much from him. he was doing well in opening and you dont tamper with something which was working, specially in a case like this where the player is very limited
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His average over the year or so hasn't been great but he's getting some leeway for having a couple of good years, but yeah check his average over the last 6 or 7 matches and it hasn't been great.
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This is all on team management. Kayes was performing well as an opener with Tamim but team management's insistence on Soumya has ****ed up the rhythm. Our top order was fine before with Tamim-Imrul-Mominul and Shakib-Mushy coming after them.

We seriously need to think about the obsession with Soumya and Sabbir. Both of them are not fit for tests and definitely not the long term solution. Need to invest and put more faith in the likes of Mominul, Liton, Mosaddek, and Shanto who seem more test specialists.
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Old September 4, 2017, 01:25 AM
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This is all on team management. Kayes was performing well as an opener with Tamim but team management's insistence on Soumya has ****ed up the rhythm. Our top order was fine before with Tamim-Imrul-Mominul and Shakib-Mushy coming after them.

We seriously need to think about the obsession with Soumya and Sabbir. Both of them are not fit for tests and definitely not the long term solution. Need to invest and put more faith in the likes of Mominul, Liton, Mosaddek, and Shanto who seem more test specialists.
Kayes should be dropped.
At lest Ss and Sabbir can score 20-30 runs but kayes scored 0,2,4.
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Old September 4, 2017, 01:32 AM
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I am one of the biggest critiques of KaEdge but I have to give him some slack here

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

look at his batting avg for last two and a half years

its 47+ when he is opening and 7 when he is not.

he is a very limited player and I dont expect much from him. he was doing well in opening and you dont tamper with something which was working, specially in a case like this where the player is very limited
Those numbers are \deceptive. The numbers are grossly skewed thanks to the Pak series, which was on complete roads, where the intention was to draw from day 1. We won't see those pitches in BD again now that we are a better unit. He did well against India, but everything else is poor.
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Sounds like the name of a cologne/parfume:

Obsession by Imrul Kayes 2.0
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One of my major concerns for Imrul is anatomical, it seems to me that he is missing his neck....It looks like his head is directly attached to his shoulder/TOrso aka Dhor. I am thinking if this is the reason he is hard time following the ball.
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One of my major concerns for Imrul is anatomical, it seems to me that he is missing his neck....It looks like his head is directly attached to his shoulder/TOrso aka Dhor. I am thinking if this is the reason he is hard time following the ball.
Wasn't Inzamam somewhat similar in anatomy?
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Old September 6, 2017, 11:30 AM
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Imrul 2.0 should either open the batting with Tamim or not play for the national team at all !
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not so much an obsession as it is the coach's blatant hatred for Mominul just like Nasir before him.

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Old September 6, 2017, 02:42 PM
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His average over the year or so hasn't been great but he's getting some leeway for having a couple of good years, but yeah check his average over the last 6 or 7 matches and it hasn't been great.
He's not a number 3

If he doesn't get in as an opener he should not be in the team
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Old September 6, 2017, 04:01 PM
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I am one of the biggest critiques of KaEdge but I have to give him some slack here

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

look at his batting avg for last two and a half years

its 47+ when he is opening and 7 when he is not.

he is a very limited player and I dont expect much from him. he was doing well in opening and you dont tamper with something which was working, specially in a case like this where the player is very limited
But if you dont move Kayes to another slot, it becomes very hard to get rid of a certain batsmen who averages 40+.
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Old September 6, 2017, 04:09 PM
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One of my major concerns for Imrul is anatomical, it seems to me that he is missing his neck....It looks like his head is directly attached to his shoulder/TOrso aka Dhor. I am thinking if this is the reason he is hard time following the ball.
I had to google Imrul just to be sure, but youre right!
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not so much an obsession as it is the coach's blatant hatred for Mominul just like Nasir before him.

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There is less than one point difference between when imrul opens and when he doesn't, but because he's mostly opened most of his good scores have come as opener. see this is he thing with imrul, we keep making excuses for him, after WC or at the World Cup he suddenly changed so all results before that (bar the good ones) are invalid, now all his results at 3 are invalid because he's an opener. At one stage there was an argument that he might be a good number 3 because he's the new imrul and all of his innings at 3 were previously before his metamorphisis.

Seems to me imrul gets a pass a lot of the time for one reason or another but others don't e.g. Soumya, Sabbir. When you get down to it imrul has his record, he's also much more experienced so he should have a better record than youngsters, he should be performing better currently because he should be utilising his experience. When these guys get a bit older and have a bit more experience and are still inconsistent like imrul then we can give them a hard time, but in the meantime we should cut the youngsters some slack. Outside of mushy, tamim and shakib BD don't and haven't had consistent players. Imrul isn't consistent, riyad isn't consistent so they can't be grouped with mushy, tamim and shakib.

Imrul is not so important to the team that his position should never be questioned. He is playing his 30th test match, he is 30 years old, he's been around international cricket including the test team for almost 9 years.

Soumya and Sabbir for example are much younger, have better averages and actually already have about a third of the test runs that imrul has scored but they've played less than 10 test matches whereas imrul is playing his 30th.

I'm not saying this to put imrul down, I'm saying it because it's unfair to crucify youngsters like Sabbir and Soumya but defend an experienced hand like imrul.

We have a very promising opener in liton das, he has probably the best FC average of all BD players but he's not being given consistent chances, maybe because he's unlikely to come in and average 50 straight away so we are going with imrul the safe option? I don't know... but if you're team has struggled for years to find a consistent opener and here comes along a young guy who year after year keeps his FC average up near 50 (whilst keeping most of those matches mind you) then really I think the strategy has to be properly looked at and management need to really work out what is best for the team because we could be in with 5-7 more years with imrul but similar to his current output or maybe if we take a chance with liton we could find a 40+ averaging opener, but he might struggle for the first 2-3 years (but given age we can get 10-15 years out of him so 2-3 years is not a big sacrifice imo).
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There is less than one point difference between when imrul opens and when he doesn't, but because he's mostly opened most of his good scores have come as opener. see this is he thing with imrul, we keep making excuses for him, after WC or at the World Cup he suddenly changed so all results before that (bar the good ones) are invalid, now all his results at 3 are invalid because he's an opener. At one stage there was an argument that he might be a good number 3 because he's the new imrul and all of his innings at 3 were previously before his metamorphisis.

Seems to me imrul gets a pass a lot of the time for one reason or another but others don't e.g. Soumya, Sabbir. When you get down to it imrul has his record, he's also much more experienced so he should have a better record than youngsters, he should be performing better currently because he should be utilising his experience. When these guys get a bit older and have a bit more experience and are still inconsistent like imrul then we can give them a hard time, but in the meantime we should cut the youngsters some slack. Outside of mushy, tamim and shakib BD don't and haven't had consistent players. Imrul isn't consistent, riyad isn't consistent so they can't be grouped with mushy, tamim and shakib.

Imrul is not so important to the team that his position should never be questioned. He is playing his 30th test match, he is 30 years old, he's been around international cricket including the test team for almost 9 years.

Soumya and Sabbir for example are much younger, have better averages and actually already have about a third of the test runs that imrul has scored but they've played less than 10 test matches whereas imrul is playing his 30th.

I'm not saying this to put imrul down, I'm saying it because it's unfair to crucify youngsters like Sabbir and Soumya but defend an experienced hand like imrul.

We have a very promising opener in liton das, he has probably the best FC average of all BD players but he's not being given consistent chances, maybe because he's unlikely to come in and average 50 straight away so we are going with imrul the safe option? I don't know... but if you're team has struggled for years to find a consistent opener and here comes along a young guy who year after year keeps his FC average up near 50 (whilst keeping most of those matches mind you) then really I think the strategy has to be properly looked at and management need to really work out what is best for the team because we could be in with 5-7 more years with imrul but similar to his current output or maybe if we take a chance with liton we could find a 40+ averaging opener, but he might struggle for the first 2-3 years (but given age we can get 10-15 years out of him so 2-3 years is not a big sacrifice imo).
The coach doesn't follow the domestic matches. Among the openers in the last 3 years Liton Das has been most impressive. He deserved to get some chances in the test team.
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you guys are being too kind with this guy, time to say f-off KaEdge.
Don't wanna see him T20s where he averages less than 10
Don't wanna see him in ODIs where averages less than 30
Don't wanna see him in Tests where he averages 26
Just don't wanna see him in any cricket field whatsoever!
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Needs to go. BD is better off trying a fresh face than keep on presenting him opportunities.
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One of my major concerns for Imrul is anatomical, it seems to me that he is missing his neck....It looks like his head is directly attached to his shoulder/TOrso aka Dhor. I am thinking if this is the reason he is hard time following the ball.
arrenah antaje.... he lacks fascia....fascia rectus .. banglay merudondo jake bole thaki amra...
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