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Old October 7, 2017, 11:09 AM
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Default How to maximize Liton Das potential ?

Hello fellow Bangladesh fans, new to the fourm and wanted to share FFS (fellow fan frustrations) here.

Seeing his stats and watching him play today I wondered if BD can push him up the order even though he is a WK.

I was thinking if BD ever bats first/third innings Das should open or possibly come in at clean up at number 3.

if BD bats second/fourth like right now I think 7/8 is too late for him even though he is WK, he came at 6 today but was wondering if 5 would be a good spot for him and drop Shakib when he comes back to 6.

Also wanted to share few other thoughts, I feel similarly for both Mehedi and Mosaddek, Mosa should come at 4 and Mehedi possibly at 6. Dullah, Kayes, Sarker, and Sabbir. Obviously guys like Naeem, Nafees, Imran, and Nasir should get a crack.

At this point I think the team has plateaued and Mushfiqur as great and talented as he is with the bat has GOT TO GO. He can't keep, he can't captain, and his batting is great in some days and terrible in others. I don't think BD can progress in tests with him as captain. Mortaza lights a fire under his team in T20/ODI and I feel the team wants to play for him, I don't get that sense the team WANTS to play for Mushfiqur. BD has Anamul/liton/nurul to keep right now and Zakir Hasan in future. For captain Tamim/Shakib can do the job until Mehedi/Mosa/Mominul are ready.

Also it might be time to consider letting Hatru go, if your voice as a coach is failing to reach the team then the team is not improving. Hatru plays too many favorites and that is stagnating BD's growth. Ultimately if the players start to phase out the voice in the locker room then obviously it's not working anymore.
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Old October 7, 2017, 11:21 AM
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Welcome Lakers81 to BC. Feel free to tell us a bit about yourself.

You can't have Liton WK and bat top of the order, so that's not an option. Agree with everything else. I do like him at 5, and Shakib dropped to 6. i'm also inclined to bring in Nurul as WK and have Liton replace Soumya as the opener.

If Liton has proved anything, it's that we shelve real talent in favor of "experience" and "seniority."
It's time to make Mushy permanently give up the gloves and the captaincy.
-Get rid of Imrul and Mullah permanently
-Get rid of Soumya and Sabbir
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Old October 7, 2017, 11:24 AM
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Liton proved himself in saf condition, he is here to stay

that means domestic form is important. he carried his domestic form in international

its time to bring nafees, naeem, shuvagoto, anamul, tushar imran in right format
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Old October 7, 2017, 11:35 AM
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its time to bring nafees, naeem, shuvagoto, anamul, tushar imran in right format
We can continue saying this but it wont happen under Haturi.

Edit: Hom? really?
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Old October 7, 2017, 11:38 AM
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Old October 7, 2017, 11:39 AM
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He has an outstanding technic. But he always starts with low confidence . That's the problem.
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Old October 7, 2017, 11:39 AM
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Welcome Lakers81 to BC. Feel free to tell us a bit about yourself.

You can't have Liton WK and bat top of the order, so that's not an option. Agree with everything else. I do like him at 5, and Shakib dropped to 6. i'm also inclined to bring in Nurul as WK and have Liton replace Soumya as the opener.

If Liton has proved anything, it's that we shelve real talent in favor of "experience" and "seniority."
It's time to make Mushy permanently give up the gloves and the captaincy.
-Get rid of Imrul and Mullah permanently
-Get rid of Soumya and Sabbir
just quick bit about myself been living in states (USA) since 2000, cricket fan since I was 5 (1996 and watching Sri Lanka play in WC) hooked since then, would love to gotten into it if I stayed in BD and had not moved. I watch literally any sports, video game and anime nerd, but also keep up to date with modern news and have huge interest in learning more about geography/history.

I am a bit worried about the team construct and how it would look posibly for overseas tour, another thing I watched and learned is more and more teams are going with 4 bowlers, with a 5th part timer (Kane Williamson type) for tests, no longer are teams focusing on 5 pure bowlers (barring South Africa and possibly Australia).

I also think in regards to Mushfiqur he is a talent and I want him to stay at T20/ODI but I think he is being a big liability for obvious reasons and I think that negativity is really sucking the life out of the team. I believe we have a home series against SL (I don't see it anywhere in FTP though), I would just like for one series without Musfiq to see how the team would do without him.

I also like Nurul Hasan a lot and I would like to see Anamul get a second chance if Nurul/Anamul WK and that way Das can be used mainly as a top order batsmen.

Home (w/o Mushfiq): Tamim, Nafees/Shanto, Mini, Mosa, Das (WK), Shakib, Mehedi, Nasir, Taijul, Mustafiz, Shahid/Al Amin (could use Saifudden instead or add another all rounder like Naeem).

Away (w/o Mushfiq): Same team as above except Mustafiz, Subashis, Jayed/Rony and Saifuddin could come in Nasir's spot as a all rounder/batsmen

Home (with Mushfiq): Tamim, Nafees/Shanto, Mini, Mushfiq, Das (WK), Mosa, Shakib, Mehedi, Nasir, Tajul, Mustafiz

Away (with mushfiq): Tamim, Nafees, Mini, Mushfiq, Das, Mosa, Shakib and then 4 bowlers or if need specialist spinner Mehedi/Nasir.

Although what I truly want to see is how we would do with both Das and Nurul (WK) on the team, how much of the team dynamics would change with both players with good FC average (49 and 40 respectively).
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Old October 7, 2017, 11:42 AM
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ideally without factoring in conditions and home/away the best 16 would be

1. Tamim 2. Nafees 3. Mominul 4. Mushfiq 5. Mosaddek 6. Shakib 7. Das 8. Mehedi 9. Taijul 10. Mustafiz 11. Shubashis

bench: Imran, Naeem, Nasir (all rounder), Saifuddin, and then see which of the best young fast bowlers from ebadat/jayed/hider is ready to go.

I like Pinak, Nazmul, Afif, Saif, and Zakir Hasan, but I think those are more after 2019 WC guys where they are more mature, more developed and ready to go after that period.
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Old October 7, 2017, 11:54 AM
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Shakib has been averaging 50 past few years at 5, I'll Play him 6 or 7 whilst keeping

Something like

Tamim imrul mominul mushfiq Shakib mossadek Das Mehedi Taijul Roy mustafizur
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Old October 7, 2017, 11:57 AM
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Shakib has been averaging 50 past few years at 5, I'll Play him 6 or 7 whilst keeping

Something like

Tamim imrul mominul mushfiq Shakib mossadek Das Mehedi Taijul Roy mustafizur
Why? Why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why?
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Old October 7, 2017, 11:59 AM
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^SN is as bad against pace as Kayes if not worse..comparing apples to apples as bad as each other he is no savior as many are making it out to be.. alot of people seem to have poor memory at BC.. also statistically he is not any better than Anamul.. I would rather give an extended run to a younger Anamul as keeper instead and make Liton open. If anyone was unfairly dropped from the test team it was Naeem imo he was never as poor as Riyad in whites but Riyad got the ride for 10 years..we invested in him for a decade in whites and he has a single ton to show for it..
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Old October 7, 2017, 12:00 PM
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Why? Why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why? why?
I was more focused on middle order, rest was more like default

Take him out, put Nafees, but imrul has been top two scorer last 2 inning

If he doesn't perform next innings I'll drop him

But we don't have a replacement like people think
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Old October 7, 2017, 12:03 PM
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Well, the team management has to be patient and give him a longer run in test. He has been consistent in the domestics. But it is international cricket where he can face quality bowling attacks. He can only improve if he is given a consistent run in International cricket.
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just quick bit about myself been living in states (USA) since 2000, cricket fan since I was 5 (1996 and watching Sri Lanka play in WC) hooked since then, would love to gotten into it if I stayed in BD and had not moved. I watch literally any sports, video game and anime nerd, but also keep up to date with modern news and have huge interest in learning more about geography/history.
Sri Lanka is my second favorite team, 1996 was very special.

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Home (w/o Mushfiq): Tamim, Nafees/Shanto, Mini, Mosa, Das (WK), Shakib, Mehedi, Nasir, Taijul, Mustafiz, Shahid/Al Amin (could use Saifudden instead or add another all rounder like Naeem).

Away (w/o Mushfiq): Same team as above except Mustafiz, Subashis, Jayed/Rony and Saifuddin could come in Nasir's spot as a all rounder/batsmen

Home (with Mushfiq): Tamim, Nafees/Shanto, Mini, Mushfiq, Das (WK), Mosa, Shakib, Mehedi, Nasir, Tajul, Mustafiz

Away (with mushfiq): Tamim, Nafees, Mini, Mushfiq, Das, Mosa, Shakib and then 4 bowlers or if need specialist spinner Mehedi/Nasir.

Although what I truly want to see is how we would do with both Das and Nurul (WK) on the team, how much of the team dynamics would change with both players with good FC average (49 and 40 respectively).
We can't afford to lose Mushy's batting, as much as he pisses me off as a person. Ideally I would go with this:

Tamim, Liton, Mini, Mushy, Mosa, Shakib, Nurul (wk), Miraz, + bowlers according to pitch.
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Old October 7, 2017, 12:09 PM
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We can't afford to lose Mushy's batting, as much as he pisses me off as a person. Ideally I would go with this:

Tamim, Liton, Mini, Mushy, Mosa, Shakib, Nurul (wk), Miraz, + bowlers according to pitch.
I don't mind that but I am a little bit skeptical regarding 3 wicket keepers in the starting 11. That's definite no-no in the shorter formats, but even in longer the other 2 WK that will be fielding (Das, who I think can be competent at any job) and Musfiq (who stays near boundary) would have to be top notch fielders like Johnny Bairstow is for England (WK in Test, normal fielder in T20/ODI).

I saw India try this in T20 with Dhoni, Dinesh Karthik and Rishabh Pant against West Indies just recently and it backfired badly, think both Karthik and Pant had a drop while Evin Lewis was going nuts.
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Old October 7, 2017, 01:55 PM
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Old October 7, 2017, 01:56 PM
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Like every other young potential stars we've had, his potential will go crashing down the longer he plays

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Old October 7, 2017, 02:46 PM
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Like every other young potential stars we've had, his potential will go crashing down the longer he plays

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Unlike other so called young talent , he didn't came with a bang. He came with came with some mixed result and left and then came back again.

Also unlike other young talent, he continue to play very well in domestic league for a while. Actually that forced the selectors to select him again.

He may fail like others... But your comment is over generalization in my opinion. Just saying....
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Does he have a tattoo on his arm? Pretty badass.

Anyone have highlights of his innings today?

Players who have consistently performed in domestic cricket and maintained healthy averages deserve a long run. That's why I have always been hopeful of LKD coming good and Mosaddek being the best talent in the country.
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Great innings Liton! Hope he can keep scoring runs, I think if they keep giving him opportunities he'll soon score 3 digits. pretty much saved this innings though, no one else did much.
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have him open and have nurul keep
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Old October 7, 2017, 05:36 PM
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Good start, but only time will tell us how good he really is. Players like Taskin, Soumya, fizz and miraz all of them started with a bang but none of them managed to maintain it. I hope L. Das won't follow the same route.
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have him open and have nurul keep
Yea, drop either Mullah or Sabbir.
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