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Old October 23, 2017, 09:20 AM
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The troll wants to remove the best captain we ever had. We can understand why is that.

Mashrafe has been in the team because of his performance. He has been among the best two bowlers for us in last 3 years.
He isnt going anywhere dont worry. We need him till 2019
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Old October 23, 2017, 09:35 AM
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I have immense respect for Mash as a leader and a human being but I seriously don't think he should stretch himself till 2019 if his body doesn't support, the biggest quality of mash is his ability to motivate and inspire, he does not exactly come off as a brilliant strategist or tactician whose presence alone can change the fate of a match, he should be made team mentor or something that way he does not have to be present on the field yet can drive the youngsters to betterment, keep the morale high and hold the team together inside the dressing room. Just my personal opinion from what I have observed.
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Old October 23, 2017, 09:37 AM
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Bhai,
Didn't read any of the post yet. In due time will do that. My 2 cents.

Changes in order.
1) Change the test captain. It is burdening on him. It is also reflecting on his performance. Free him.
2) Make Liton/Nurul work for their position via A tour, Academy tour, U-19 tour, whatever tour you can get your hands on.
3) Sarkar-Sabbir out to Domestic. Let them earn their positions back by performing there.
4) Taskin, a permanent kick is in order.
5) Fizz, no more matches. Complete rest and light weight training till he is fully fit and can bowl 140+ at will.
6) Tamim, Kombol parade.
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Old October 23, 2017, 09:39 AM
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Old October 23, 2017, 01:52 PM
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The troll wants to remove the best captain we ever had. We can understand why is that.

Mashrafe has been in the team because of his performance. He has been among the best two bowlers for us in last 3 years.
I have to agree with the troll on this one. At home, Mash is still pretty good with his slowers and cutters. But take him to places where the ball does not grip on the surface much (Aus, Eng, NZ, SA, Ire), his average and SR get worse than those of Shakib. Stats for last three years on those places, against G9:

Rubel Hossain 13 13 112.3 1 685 17 4/53 40.29 6.08 39.7 2 0
Shakib Al Hasan 16 15 139.5 2 801 14 4/55 57.21 5.72 59.9 1 0
Taskin Ahmed 12 12 102.0 2 705 13 3/69 54.23 6.91 47.0 0 0
Mashrafe Mortaza 15 15 135.2 2 787 11 3/49 71.54 5.81 73.8 0 0
Mustafizur Rahman 8 8 67.2 3 356 8 2/32 44.50 5.28 50.5 0 0
Mosaddek Hossain 8 8 31.2 0 172 4 3/13 43.00 5.48 47.0 0 0

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

Performance wise, he does not warrant a place in the team for WC'19, which will take place in England. We thought he adds value to the team as a mentor to other pacers, which also turned out to be not true in SA series. He is still pretty economical, though not good at taking wickets, as long he does not bowl in death overs. But we can get someone like Mosaddek to play the role. Don't see any justification for keeping him in the team beyond this point, if our focus is to build up the team for the next WC.
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Old October 23, 2017, 02:06 PM
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I have to agree with the troll on this one. At home, Mash is still pretty good with his slowers and cutters. But take him to places where the ball does not grip on the surface much (Aus, Eng, NZ, SA, Ire), his average and SR get worse than those of Shakib. Stats for last three years on those places, against G9:

Rubel Hossain 13 13 112.3 1 685 17 4/53 40.29 6.08 39.7 2 0
Shakib Al Hasan 16 15 139.5 2 801 14 4/55 57.21 5.72 59.9 1 0
Taskin Ahmed 12 12 102.0 2 705 13 3/69 54.23 6.91 47.0 0 0
Mashrafe Mortaza 15 15 135.2 2 787 11 3/49 71.54 5.81 73.8 0 0
Mustafizur Rahman 8 8 67.2 3 356 8 2/32 44.50 5.28 50.5 0 0
Mosaddek Hossain 8 8 31.2 0 172 4 3/13 43.00 5.48 47.0 0 0

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

Performance wise, he does not warrant a place in the team for WC'19, which will take place in England. We thought he adds value to the team as a mentor to other pacers, which also turned out to be not true in SA series. He is still pretty economical, though not good at taking wickets, as long he does not bowl in death overs. But we can get someone like Mosaddek to play the role. Don't see any justification for keeping him in the team beyond this point, if our focus is to build up the team for the next WC.
I see your point.

I still believe he plays the mentor role to the whole team. The current performance has to do with something hidden inside the dressing room. I suspect Hathuru might have crossed his limits and eventually created a huge chaos inside the team.
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Old October 23, 2017, 02:49 PM
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- I understand why Sabbir and SS is getting some heat, but how come nobody is complaining about Nasir? In this ODI series, Sabbir had average of 25, SS 8 and Nasir 7.
I think nobody complaining about Nasir because everybody knows Nasir is a goner after two failed series. He was not wanted by Hathuru to begin with. Now he gave Hathuru more ammo next time selectors try to include anyone against Hathuru's will.

SS and Sabbir, on the other hand, players that Hathuru will fight for.
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Old October 23, 2017, 03:11 PM
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I have to agree with the troll on this one. At home, Mash is still pretty good with his slowers and cutters. But take him to places where the ball does not grip on the surface much (Aus, Eng, NZ, SA, Ire), his average and SR get worse than those of Shakib. Stats for last three years on those places, against G9:

Rubel Hossain 13 13 112.3 1 685 17 4/53 40.29 6.08 39.7 2 0
Shakib Al Hasan 16 15 139.5 2 801 14 4/55 57.21 5.72 59.9 1 0
Taskin Ahmed 12 12 102.0 2 705 13 3/69 54.23 6.91 47.0 0 0
Mashrafe Mortaza 15 15 135.2 2 787 11 3/49 71.54 5.81 73.8 0 0
Mustafizur Rahman 8 8 67.2 3 356 8 2/32 44.50 5.28 50.5 0 0
Mosaddek Hossain 8 8 31.2 0 172 4 3/13 43.00 5.48 47.0 0 0

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

Performance wise, he does not warrant a place in the team for WC'19, which will take place in England. We thought he adds value to the team as a mentor to other pacers, which also turned out to be not true in SA series. He is still pretty economical, though not good at taking wickets, as long he does not bowl in death overs. But we can get someone like Mosaddek to play the role. Don't see any justification for keeping him in the team beyond this point, if our focus is to build up the team for the next WC.
One thing your stats doesn't show.

He's our only competent new ball bowler.
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Old October 23, 2017, 03:25 PM
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While that stat is true, Its also true, Mash was our highest wicket taker last year and 2nd highest this year. In CT which took place in England, he was still the most economical bowler while Taskin-Rubel-Fizz went for 6+ an over. So unless any of u can offer a ready substitute for the bowler Mash, I suggest we bury this thought of him not deserving the spot
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Old October 23, 2017, 03:58 PM
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Night out and Casino visit by 3 players and breach the team curfews

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Old October 23, 2017, 04:45 PM
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Said ages ago they need to properly look at whether mash can make it to the next WC, it's more about captaincy than anything, if mash can't make it there's no way you suddenly want to throw the captaincy on someone because that player needs time to adjust to captaincy.

Captaincy isn't just making on field decisions, you strategise, you help create a team culture, you build a team. these are things that usually don't just happen overnight.

So yeah, if mash physically can't make it then they need to hand the reigns over as soon as possible.

I wish liton was making runs, reckon he'd make a good captain.
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Old October 23, 2017, 05:13 PM
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Night out and Casino visit by 3 players and breach the team curfews

http://www.thedailystar.net/sports/b...n-loss-1480993
Taskin Ahmed, why am I not surprised.
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Old October 23, 2017, 05:17 PM
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Taskin Ahmed, why am I not surprised.
I'm not surprised Nasir is part of the trio
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Goes to show, that these guys(infamous trio) are just here for holiday not actual cricket
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Old October 23, 2017, 05:53 PM
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No harm done. Kagiso and AB were with them./
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No harm done. Kagiso and AB were with them./
hopefully Nasir and Taskin got a few tips from AB and Rabada.
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They know that their time in the national team is spent. Might as well discuss a few pointer with 2 of SA's finest, the setting should be primary.

I know that this paints a bad picture back home in BD. Should not go to casino or something...but they did not gamble. It was just an outing with a few friends...maybe even discussing potential BPL tactics or hauling both of these guys to BPL because their Global T20 tournament was squashed./
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Dinraat, you have a double post...

Should we continue this discussion here?

Or open a new thread?
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Dinraat, you have a double post...

Should we continue this discussion here?

Or open a new thread?
I deleted it.
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Old October 23, 2017, 06:19 PM
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no wonder nasir is ignored by the coaching staff. I feel like if he gets kicked out this time, he may not be back for a few years. He got lucky anyways with Mosaddek out.
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Not much point of having all of shakib, riyad, nasir and mehedi in the squad. Mehedi can get away with playing as a front line bowler but riyad and nasir are both a bit bits and pieces. Riyad sometimes adds something with the bat but basically nothing with the ball and nasir sometimes adds something with the ball but he's completely lost it as a batsmen at this level. Nasir earned his recall but his batting has been woeful and that's what got him his recall.
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It's quite incredible, Nasir last scored a 50 in ODIs and Tests in 2013
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Pretty much most of the papers are now focusing on this night out. Although nice to see Nannu is trying to save the boys with Rabada, ABV. Wont be pretty if those two now claim they werent there.
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I'm not surprised Nasir is part of the trio
Me too. he already has a good track record as one of the 'bad boys'. His socializing with younger players must be scrutinized and restricted.
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I know that this paints a bad picture back home in BD. Should not go to casino or something...but they did not gamble. It was just an outing with a few friends...maybe even discussing potential BPL tactics or hauling both of these guys to BPL because their Global T20 tournament was squashed./
Why expose your young players to to potential bookies? I am not worried about Nasir or Shafiul, but we need to protect youn players like taskin. We dont want Sakin to make the same mistake as Amir in his young age.

The issue with Al Amin was not that he went to casino, it was that he made some contact with a 'person of interest' in the casino. Now a days the bookies are so aggressive and the stake is so high, you should not take risk with your young players.
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