facebook Twitter RSS Feed YouTube StumbleUpon

Home | Forum | Chat | Tours | Articles | Pictures | News | Tools | History | Tourism | Search

 
 


Go Back   BanglaCricket Forum > Cricket > Cricket

Cricket Join fellow Tigers fans to discuss all things Cricket

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old January 27, 2018, 09:22 AM
Rifat_02's Avatar
Rifat_02 Rifat_02 is offline
Test Cricketer
 
Join Date: May 18, 2007
Location: Bangladesh
Posts: 1,313
Default A Wake Up Call for the BCB to find new and young talents

Really disappointing result in the final, it seeems we always manage to choke in any matches with the word final in it starting from U19 team which choked last time at home in the semis and the two Asia Cup finals plus the tri series and the two quarter finals. The Bangladesh team is better than this.

However all is not doom and gloom, this should be a reminder to BCB that the game in the country needs to be taken forward, Successes at home must have put them in a comfort zone. It is not enough.

There needs to be quality young players coming through, atm what we have is not good enough, likes of Anamul has no business being in the national team and Sabbir, Soumya, Nasir, Taskin have all started to disappoint after showing early promise.

If we are to move forward we need more star players to be created and the game needs attention at school and domestic levels.
__________________
Reply With Quote

  #2  
Old January 27, 2018, 09:28 AM
Jadukor's Avatar
Jadukor Jadukor is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: October 17, 2010
Favorite Player: Shakib, Brian Lara
Posts: 12,965

New talents yes but young? No. We have gone with the next young 19 yr old star long enough. It is time to go with at least some level of FC experience. Lets look at BCL and who else we can bring in from there.
__________________
vacant slot
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old January 27, 2018, 09:33 AM
jeesh jeesh is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: January 4, 2005
Location: Colombo, Sri Lanka
Posts: 4,058

At the end of the day a big difference between the two teams was one coach prepared his team properly taking into consideration oppositions weakness. And they exploited it to devastating effect.

The quality of bowling, application with the bat was well thought out. Even Mendis's blitzerg knock was planned to throw Bangladesh bowling out of rhythm.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old January 27, 2018, 09:40 AM
Jadukor's Avatar
Jadukor Jadukor is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: October 17, 2010
Favorite Player: Shakib, Brian Lara
Posts: 12,965

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeesh
At the end of the day a big difference between the two teams was one coach prepared his team properly taking into consideration oppositions weakness. And they exploited it to devastating effect.

The quality of bowling, application with the bat was well thought out. Even Mendis's blitzerg knock was planned to throw Bangladesh bowling out of rhythm.
We choked because it was a final. Any other game Tamim would not have allowed Sri Lanka to bowl maiden after maiden especially in the form he was in. We needed to be positive and aggressive just like sri lanka was at the beginning but instead we crawled at 1.7 runs per over in the first powerplay. That killed any chance for a middle order fightback on a wicket where it was possible to score at 4-5 runs per over but impossible to force the pace
__________________
vacant slot
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old January 27, 2018, 10:23 AM
simon's Avatar
simon simon is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 20, 2008
Favorite Player: Tam,Sak,Nasa,Mash
Posts: 24,620

Kochu korbe amar young talent.
Young or not young our players suck.
But I would rather go with plyers with experience,Kayes,Momin, even Mosaddek as I think he did not fail enough to be discarded.
But then again they all can fail big time.

But pls,no more new stars

Posted via BC Mobile Edition
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old January 27, 2018, 10:28 AM
Mas_UK25's Avatar
Mas_UK25 Mas_UK25 is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: February 15, 2015
Location: UNITED KINGDOM
Favorite Player: Mashrafe Bin Mortaza
Posts: 6,136

Don’t need to find new talent. Can’t be throwing a u19 player straight into the fire line after every failure of national side.

Start picking right players for right format and select the best options.

Mossadekk, Ariful, Shanto, Litton, Sarkar should be in the ODI mix. Yes even Sarkar. But Sarkar cannot be in the test mix. Stop missuing the resources you have.

Sabbir should only be in the t20 side for now.

Mominul has a strong case for ODI at 3.

Give proper players a chance. Stop using bits and pieces all the time.


Heres my ODI squad.
15:
Mashrafe (cpt)
Tamim
Soumya
Litton
Mushy
shakib
Mahmudullah
Mossadekk
Shanto
Mustafiz
Rubel
Saifuddin
Ariful
Miraz
Abul Hasan/Subasish Roy.

Stick with this 15 for couple series of ODI.

This would be my XI:
Tamim
Litton
Shanto
Mushy
Shakib
Mahmudullah
Ariful
Saifuddin
Mashrafe
Fizz
Rubel

Shanto and Mullah 2/3 each is enough. Mullah surely can bowl a 4over spell and Shanto bowls too offie bit like Miraz action. That would help fill up the 6th bowler option. Mashrafe should bowl out before 45th over. Fizz must bowl about 3 first pp thats it. Rubel has to learn to bowl better with new ball, take some load of Mashrafe. Both Rubel and Fizz older the ball gets better bowlers, fizz preferably better as ball its old hence cutters work better. Dont want fizz bowlinf too many first 10 as I’d want to use as much in between 25-50. Rubel could be given few overs first pp, from 6/7th ov.

Miraz batting hasnt clicked in ODI. Bowling isnt anything superb. Good test bowler n doubt. I’d have shanto who gives better batting option. I genuinely feel he can fill the number three position.

Last edited by Mas_UK25; January 27, 2018 at 06:19 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old January 27, 2018, 11:31 AM
Jadukor's Avatar
Jadukor Jadukor is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: October 17, 2010
Favorite Player: Shakib, Brian Lara
Posts: 12,965

Where are all the batsman from our country? Last 6-7 years we have not found a single new player who is consistent with the bat. BCL sees double centuries and centuries much more often but are all these guys useless hacks with limited footwork like nazimuddin or mithun? Can we not find even one batsman that can perform in home conditions? This really baffles me.
__________________
vacant slot
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old January 27, 2018, 12:05 PM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 24,289

We have Imrul...we dont need anyone else till 2030 at the earliest.
__________________
Bangladesh: Our Dream, Our Joy, Our Team

#OneTeam1Dream
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old January 27, 2018, 12:12 PM
Zeeshan's Avatar
Zeeshan Zeeshan is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: March 9, 2008
Location: Ω
Favorite Player: Rohit Sharma
Posts: 33,670

Anyone else agrees it is time to bring Sir Esh back?
__________________
Omega Man
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old January 27, 2018, 12:42 PM
Zeeshan's Avatar
Zeeshan Zeeshan is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: March 9, 2008
Location: Ω
Favorite Player: Rohit Sharma
Posts: 33,670

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadukor
We choked because it was a final. Any other game Tamim would not have allowed Sri Lanka to bowl maiden after maiden especially in the form he was in. We needed to be positive and aggressive just like sri lanka was at the beginning but instead we crawled at 1.7 runs per over in the first powerplay. That killed any chance for a middle order fightback on a wicket where it was possible to score at 4-5 runs per over but impossible to force the pace
But.. but... whatever happened to "biding your time"
__________________
Omega Man
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old January 27, 2018, 12:45 PM
Fazal's Avatar
Fazal Fazal is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: September 16, 2004
Posts: 18,219

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeesh
At the end of the day a big difference between the two teams was one coach prepared his team properly taking into consideration oppositions weakness. And they exploited it to devastating effect.

The quality of bowling, application with the bat was well thought out. Even Mendis's blitzerg knock was planned to throw Bangladesh bowling out of rhythm.
To the point. The sooner bcb realize that and hire a real coach, the better.
__________________
"Make Bangladesh Cricket Great Again"
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old January 27, 2018, 12:55 PM
MHRAM MHRAM is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: April 30, 2013
Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh
Favorite Player: Sangakkara, Mike Hussey
Posts: 7,701

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fazal
To the point. The sooner bcb realize that and hire a real coach, the better.
BCB are no better than our cricketers.

after recent U-19 performance, BCB wont ensure more tours for U-19 teams
Seeing the poor state of fringe players- they wont increase A team tours
In BPL they freaking increased the number of foreigners from 4 to 5


BCB are too busy counting their money. I dont understand how they have failed to muster a good head coach.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old January 27, 2018, 01:34 PM
Out_You_Go's Avatar
Out_You_Go Out_You_Go is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: October 3, 2011
Location: Earth!
Favorite Player: Tamim, Shakib
Posts: 603

I really dont get why the likes of Ariful & Shanto were not given an opportunity this series and still played Nasir for 2 games.
__________________
Believe in Allah & have faith in your abilities - success then is a consequence..not an incident.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old January 27, 2018, 01:40 PM
Fazal's Avatar
Fazal Fazal is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: September 16, 2004
Posts: 18,219

Quote:
Originally Posted by Out_You_Go
I really dont get why the likes of Ariful & Shanto were not given an opportunity this series and still played Nasir for 2 games.
Exactly. We are hesitesitent to give a new player enough chance but have no problem to bring back old reject and stick with them.

BTW I would give Mithun an incomplete rather than a failure tag
__________________
"Make Bangladesh Cricket Great Again"
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old January 27, 2018, 01:51 PM
Out_You_Go's Avatar
Out_You_Go Out_You_Go is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: October 3, 2011
Location: Earth!
Favorite Player: Tamim, Shakib
Posts: 603

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fazal
Exactly. We are hesitesitent to give a new player enough chance but have no problem to bring back old reject and stick with them.

BTW I would give Mithun an incomplete rather than a failure tag
Mithun can be pardoned. He was called right up and havent played an ODI for like ages. It makes sense that he will not deliver. They included Imrul last moment yesterday or day before. Where was he? Shouldn't he be the one opening with Tamim?

That just shows how messed up the team management is.
__________________
Believe in Allah & have faith in your abilities - success then is a consequence..not an incident.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old January 27, 2018, 05:04 PM
Shingara's Avatar
Shingara Shingara is offline
Test Cricketer
 
Join Date: March 6, 2016
Location: AWACS
Favorite Player: Ziya
Posts: 1,337

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadukor
Where are all the batsman from our country? Last 6-7 years we have not found a single new player who is consistent with the bat. BCL sees double centuries and centuries much more often but are all these guys useless hacks with limited footwork like nazimuddin or mithun? Can we not find even one batsman that can perform in home conditions? This really baffles me.
Well said. What's the point of BPL BCL and other domestics ?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old January 27, 2018, 05:23 PM
NoName's Avatar
NoName NoName is online now
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: April 9, 2011
Location: Sauga
Posts: 9,053

Nah, its a wake-up call for me that we are screwed in the future.
__________________
"How the little piglets would grunt if they knew how the old boar suffered."
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old January 27, 2018, 06:53 PM
One World One World is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: May 18, 2005
Location: New England
Favorite Player: Mominul Haque
Posts: 20,934

Mominul was an exception and now he is becoming predictable. You come to national level. Make 2/3 centuries (Anamul, Soummya) or some match winning performance (Gazi, Nasir, Jubair) and you are in the limelight. Busy getting that modeling deal and what not. While you keep ignoring your core competency. Cricket - your bread and butter now at a backseat. Tours become like get-together and happy hour. A corrupt money hungry board backs you up with all your endeavor. Amid criticism in media and fan reactions you are exchanged by selectors with pretentious sincerity which is actually a mockery to the actual sport. No growth pattern established, no development of infrastructure, no effort to distribute cricket all corners of the country, no real grooming - everything is a show while everyone busy satisfying their needs behind the curtain. So much money - not enough time to do things other than counting.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old January 27, 2018, 07:01 PM
Zeeshan's Avatar
Zeeshan Zeeshan is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: March 9, 2008
Location: Ω
Favorite Player: Rohit Sharma
Posts: 33,670

gorje utho banglar damal chelera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
__________________
Omega Man
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old January 27, 2018, 10:40 PM
One World One World is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: May 18, 2005
Location: New England
Favorite Player: Mominul Haque
Posts: 20,934

Doing same thing and expecting different results ...

Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old January 27, 2018, 10:43 PM
Yankees Yankees is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: February 10, 2017
Location: New York
Favorite Player: Sanga,Mash,Shakib,Fizz
Posts: 3,128

Mitun went out to a stupid runout that wasn't his fault. I would give him another go.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old January 27, 2018, 11:21 PM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: New York City
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 24,289

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadukor
We choked because it was a final. Any other game Tamim would not have allowed Sri Lanka to bowl maiden after maiden especially in the form he was in. We needed to be positive and aggressive just like sri lanka was at the beginning but instead we crawled at 1.7 runs per over in the first powerplay. That killed any chance for a middle order fightback on a wicket where it was possible to score at 4-5 runs per over but impossible to force the pace
Disagree. Meaningless tri series is not high pressure. Maybe if it was a final against Pakistan or India, even then probably only if its an Asia Cup.

Our games vs England in 2015 WC was 100 times more pressure (QF at stake) and same with the win vs NZ on a tough track in CT (semifinal at stake). Even chasing 320 vs Scotland was several magnitudes more pressure than a tri series final. Even a tri series featuring India PAK or Aus/SA wouldnt as big a deal.

World Cup and CT finals are top tier, pressure wise.
Then comes other ICC knockouts.
Third tier is Asia Cups, bilateral series finals vs India, Pakistan, Aus, england, SA type sides.
Last place are random tri series finals, bilateral deciders against others.

My opinion why we lost the last two games:

1) complacency after slaughtering both oppositions for 3 games...ie lack of professionalism
2) middle order was undercooked after not having much work in the first few games
3) misreading the pitch (while batting)
4) pitches were of poor quality towards the end reducing the outcome to more of a lottery
5) #2 resulted in poor batting by lower order

It is true that we are likely too dependent on Shakib, Tamim, Mushy, and Riyad. But one could say the same of any team ie "they rely too much on their top 4 batsman." The problem is we havent developed players to fill the roles around the big 4 who often cover all bases.

Tamim anchors almost exclusively nowadays rarely striking at more than 85.
Shakib, Mushy, and Riyad can accumulate but can also accelerate towards the end and one of the 3 usually bats till deep in the innings.
Sabbir is decent closer, but cant do anything else.

Problem is you need at least 2-3 closers because its a high risk job.

We havent developed them. Instead trying sabbir as a top order batsman and trying to use Saifuddin et al as closers when they are probably genuine #10s on most other teams.
__________________
Bangladesh: Our Dream, Our Joy, Our Team

#OneTeam1Dream
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old January 27, 2018, 11:27 PM
Jadukor's Avatar
Jadukor Jadukor is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: October 17, 2010
Favorite Player: Shakib, Brian Lara
Posts: 12,965

Tamim suffered from complacency is hard to believe. Had it been the case he would have attacked from ball one. The guy seemed afraid.. too afraid to play any shots even to short wide ones.
__________________
vacant slot
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old January 27, 2018, 11:30 PM
Jadukor's Avatar
Jadukor Jadukor is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: October 17, 2010
Favorite Player: Shakib, Brian Lara
Posts: 12,965

I do believe we handle pressure better when we are away from home. At home our inability to handle pressure situations can be dated back to WC 2011
__________________
vacant slot
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old January 27, 2018, 11:59 PM
epitaph's Avatar
epitaph epitaph is offline
Test Cricketer
 
Join Date: July 18, 2007
Posts: 1,364

BCB needs to focus on these four things. Surprising and kinda pathetic that none has been addressed yet after all these years.

1. Schedule more A-team bilateral series. It can't too hard to schedule them, and they're much needed considering players' successes in domestic competitions almost never translate to success in internationals.

2. Domestic pitches should mimic internationals'. When four quick wickets fall, our batsmen can still bat at 100 SR in domestics, and that's what they're used to. No wonder they fail in int'ls. The plethora of SLAs have to throw darts on those wickets, and no wonder we've no good SLAs or spinners in general besides Shakib. This isn't a hard fix either.

3. Why is there only one BKSP? There should be one in every zela. Seek the govt's help, focus on this instead of building unfinished stadiums.

4. Change the coaching at age groups/BKSP so that we don't just produce #4/5s and develop more professional and mentally stronger players. We need finishers and #3s too. And batsmen with better nerves, shot selection, strike rotation, and footwork.
__________________
"No problem bowling, but speaking and batting, problem." - The Fizz
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:48 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
BanglaCricket.com
 

About Us | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Partner Sites | Useful Links | Banners |

© BanglaCricket