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Old February 18, 2018, 09:24 AM
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Default We are officially minnows again.

No don't give the argument of beating Australia or NZ here or there.

Kenya did that too, qualified for semis in 2003 WC

We? Well we are performing like minnows and will continue to do so unless board fixes its farcial state.

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Old February 18, 2018, 09:54 AM
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Official minnow thread?
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Old February 18, 2018, 10:22 AM
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Disagree.

Wrong teams selected, wrong players. Poor planning, no planning, no control of whats happening.

BCB needs to get a coach asap. Get grip of things. Some seniors gotten too comfortable. Mr Mahmud will favour senior culture. Mahmud never a coach material. Bcb needs to act fast.

Selectors erre trying to be adventurous giving youngsters chances is all good. But 4-5 same game. Really? Come on. 2 at the same game would been fine. BD need to stick with a core of players that have done somewhat well in T20I. Taskin has a spot in the squad, he takes crucial wickets, if anyone remembers his asia cup t20 or wc 2015!. Where is Al Amin Hossain? Another one played key role to take BD to asia cup t20 final.

I’m talking about T20 format, specifically. This a format Bangladesh missing too much about. Giving chances to new players am all up for. But need to he careful same time. Next world t20 is in in the year 2020, Aus. Bangladesh needs to get an act on this, plan ahead, BPL’s have to be more well done, quality has to improve. Maybe Use the format in Rugby 6 nations cup, play once each other once in BPL, as most matches are played in the Glorious Mirpur stadium in Dhaka, which is the neutral ground for 7teams! So why bother playing so called fake home and away format.
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Old February 18, 2018, 10:38 AM
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Bangladesh will have 2 qualify for the T20 world cup again.
Top 8 go through and Afghanistan is 8th,
I back the selectors to make changes,because Bangladesh have been an awful t20 side for many years.
Now their one day side and test side has slipped recently.Is Bangladesh 8th in One Dayers now?
Must admit have not followed Bangladesh lately but enough that they have slipped lately.
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Old February 18, 2018, 11:00 AM
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Disagree.

Wrong teams selected, wrong players. Poor planning, no planning, no control of whats happening.

BCB needs to get a coach asap. Get grip of things. Some seniors gotten too comfortable. Mr Mahmud will favour senior culture. Mahmud never a coach material. Bcb needs to act fast.

Selectors erre trying to be adventurous giving youngsters chances is all good. But 4-5 same game. Really? Come on. 2 at the same game would been fine. BD need to stick with a core of players that have done somewhat well in T20I. Taskin has a spot in the squad, he takes crucial wickets, if anyone remembers his asia cup t20 or wc 2015!. Where is Al Amin Hossain? Another one played key role to take BD to asia cup t20 final.

I’m talking about T20 format, specifically. This a format Bangladesh missing too much about. Giving chances to new players am all up for. But need to he careful same time. Next world t20 is in in the year 2020, Aus. Bangladesh needs to get an act on this, plan ahead, BPL’s have to be more well done, quality has to improve. Maybe Use the format in Rugby 6 nations cup, play once each other once in BPL, as most matches are played in the Glorious Mirpur stadium in Dhaka, which is the neutral ground for 7teams! So why bother playing so called fake home and away format.
Agree

When you have minimal resources and no international class players, proper selection and proper head coach go a long way.

Test: Through the selection of Razzak and Liton, it has been proven that league performance should have been given more importance. Tusher Imran, Nayeem, or Zunaed Siddique would have been better than Shabbir.

ODI: Soumya and Imrul should have played all the matches instead of Anamul and Mithun.

T20I: We SUCK in this format - not sure what would have made the difference.
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Old February 18, 2018, 11:09 AM
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Disagree.

Wrong teams selected, wrong players. Poor planning, no planning, no control of whats happening.

BCB needs to get a coach asap. Get grip of things. Some seniors gotten too comfortable. Mr Mahmud will favour senior culture. Mahmud never a coach material. Bcb needs to act fast.

Selectors erre trying to be adventurous giving youngsters chances is all good. But 4-5 same game. Really? Come on. 2 at the same game would been fine. BD need to stick with a core of players that have done somewhat well in T20I. Taskin has a spot in the squad, he takes crucial wickets, if anyone remembers his asia cup t20 or wc 2015!. Where is Al Amin Hossain? Another one played key role to take BD to asia cup t20 final.

I’m talking about T20 format, specifically. This a format Bangladesh missing too much about. Giving chances to new players am all up for. But need to he careful same time. Next world t20 is in in the year 2020, Aus. Bangladesh needs to get an act on this, plan ahead, BPL’s have to be more well done, quality has to improve. Maybe Use the format in Rugby 6 nations cup, play once each other once in BPL, as most matches are played in the Glorious Mirpur stadium in Dhaka, which is the neutral ground for 7teams! So why bother playing so called fake home and away format.
And does the world care?

They laugh at us when they see us playing Sabbir in tests. They laugh when they see our joke of a pace attack. They laugh when they see our fielding.

They laugh at our poor performance throughout

The reality is, we are performing poorly for the 2nd tour in a row. And by poor I mean abysmal. The reality is we have provided the world with minnow level performance.
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Old February 18, 2018, 12:27 PM
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Our senior players and management are the minnows. Their egos are important than anything else.

sadly senior players are cancerous to the team despite the important contributions they make.

And this cheap BPL adds no value to our improvements in playing t20.
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Old February 18, 2018, 12:36 PM
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MHRAM I don't think they know who Sabbir is,so they wouldn't be laughing at him.
They know Tamim,Shakib,Mushfiqer and Mahmudulla,and 1 or 2 more.
Not Sabbir.
Altho he may have made headlines for being banned funnily enough he is still playing.
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Old February 18, 2018, 12:42 PM
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Our senior players and management are the minnows. Their egos are important than anything else.

sadly senior players are cancerous to the team despite the important contributions they make.

And this cheap BPL adds no value to our improvements in playing t20
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The harsh truth.

Forget the entertainment value of BPL. BPL is a league where 5 of the players are foreigners per XI and usually 12 overs are bowled by foreigners and the 4 of the top 6 batsman are foreigners.

What we really need is a proper T20 tournament focusing on the locals only. That will also ensure players are picked in BPL based on merit. National team too.

People say IPL benefitted India. But India already has a good domestic structure and they have regular A team and HP team tours. Their A team matches are given more value than IPL or any other domestics

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MHRAM I don't think they know who Sabbir is,so they wouldn't be laughing at him.
They know Tamim,Shakib,Mushfiqer and Mahmudulla,and 1 or 2 more.
Not Sabbir.
Altho he may have made headlines for being banned funnily enough he is still playing.
They know who Sabbir is. Sabbir played against a lot of teams

Also sabbir sometime mentioned that BD can even chase 400+ !
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Old February 18, 2018, 12:55 PM
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The losses this series further emphasis the point that Hathuris coaching and tactics were the single biggest factor in our improvement post WC 2015. Look at what he has done to an average Sri Lankan team who just lost 9-0 to India.

Its no secret our 'senior' players need to be constantly spoon fed with tactics. Hathuri did exactly that.

If you still feel Hathuri isnt a big loss, then you should definitely switch your interests to carrom or ping pong.

BTW, wtf is that waste of space Walsh doing in the dug out. Why is he not sacked already?
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Old February 18, 2018, 01:09 PM
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Walsh..

Ah, that topic, will never be sorted as he will be there till 2023 WC because of his giant height in cricket and in appearance, so hence bcb Papon the Chinaman is too scared to fire him. Doing very nothing to improve BD pacers from where Health left from, but had the guts to change fizz’s action (which was working best), a slight and now the result is the world can see the fizz’s cutters and various deliveries like a football coming at them, easy to hit.
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Old February 18, 2018, 01:31 PM
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THIS.IS.US.MINNOWS.YAY!
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Old February 18, 2018, 02:18 PM
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Please change your protection. You are over reacting my dear OP
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Old February 18, 2018, 02:34 PM
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Disagree.

Wrong teams selected, wrong players. Poor planning, no planning, no control of whats happening.

BCB needs to get a coach asap. Get grip of things. Some seniors gotten too comfortable. Mr Mahmud will favour senior culture. Mahmud never a coach material. Bcb needs to act fast.

Selectors erre trying to be adventurous giving youngsters chances is all good. But 4-5 same game. Really? Come on. 2 at the same game would been fine. BD need to stick with a core of players that have done somewhat well in T20I. Taskin has a spot in the squad, he takes crucial wickets, if anyone remembers his asia cup t20 or wc 2015!. Where is Al Amin Hossain? Another one played key role to take BD to asia cup t20 final.

I’m talking about T20 format, specifically. This a format Bangladesh missing too much about. Giving chances to new players am all up for. But need to he careful same time. Next world t20 is in in the year 2020, Aus. Bangladesh needs to get an act on this, plan ahead, BPL’s have to be more well done, quality has to improve. Maybe Use the format in Rugby 6 nations cup, play once each other once in BPL, as most matches are played in the Glorious Mirpur stadium in Dhaka, which is the neutral ground for 7teams! So why bother playing so called fake home and away format.
Or May be some of the players that were'nt as skillful or as talented as thought to be, some times players arent good enough as hyped, may be needs to work on domestic structure even more
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Old February 18, 2018, 02:35 PM
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Disagree.

Wrong teams selected, wrong players. Poor planning, no planning, no control of whats happening.

BCB needs to get a coach asap. Get grip of things. Some seniors gotten too comfortable. Mr Mahmud will favour senior culture. Mahmud never a coach material. Bcb needs to act fast.

Selectors erre trying to be adventurous giving youngsters chances is all good. But 4-5 same game. Really? Come on. 2 at the same game would been fine. BD need to stick with a core of players that have done somewhat well in T20I. Taskin has a spot in the squad, he takes crucial wickets, if anyone remembers his asia cup t20 or wc 2015!. Where is Al Amin Hossain? Another one played key role to take BD to asia cup t20 final.

I’m talking about T20 format, specifically. This a format Bangladesh missing too much about. Giving chances to new players am all up for. But need to he careful same time. Next world t20 is in in the year 2020, Aus. Bangladesh needs to get an act on this, plan ahead, BPL’s have to be more well done, quality has to improve. Maybe Use the format in Rugby 6 nations cup, play once each other once in BPL, as most matches are played in the Glorious Mirpur stadium in Dhaka, which is the neutral ground for 7teams! So why bother playing so called fake home and away format.
Or May be some of the players that were'nt as skillful or as talented as thought to be, some times players arent good enough as hyped, may be needs to work on domestic structure even more
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Old February 18, 2018, 02:39 PM
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The losses this series further emphasis the point that Hathuris coaching and tactics were the single biggest factor in our improvement post WC 2015. Look at what he has done to an average Sri Lankan team who just lost 9-0 to India.

Its no secret our 'senior' players need to be constantly spoon fed with tactics. Hathuri did exactly that.

If you still feel Hathuri isnt a big loss, then you should definitely switch your interests to carrom or ping pong.

BTW, wtf is that waste of space Walsh doing in the dug out. Why is he not sacked already?
or maybe Bangladesh underestimated srilanka,they aren't as avg as you guys made them out to be India displayed a very good performance in Sri Lanka to tour wash them, where nothing went right for Kansans, after that they have played well on Indian soil by losing 1-0 and whitewashing Pakistan, also this lot is a talented and regrouped bunch, who may not be the most talented bunch but still is not a avg bunch either, they have decent players in their squad
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Old February 18, 2018, 08:10 PM
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even in a thread about us being minnows cant keep out how good India is as a team
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we are minnows in T20 and tests. you don't have to look further. just look at the rankings

in T20 we are even below afg. SL was fevs and they won both matches.

in Test again SL was fevs. SL was struggling in the ODIs not in tests. they won in UAE. whitewashed the OZs. we are in a position where we can win against non subcon teams in spin friendly wks, but barely. the match in colombo where we beat SL wasn't a rank turner. It was a good pitch and we played really well in that match to win it. so 1-0 in test series is an ok/expected result.

In the ODIs we are expected to win vs zim at home. we did that. we are expected to win vs SL too. but we are not expected to roll over SL. SL is good enough to win games. as they have shown in India winning a match. So we beat SL in first match. SL won in the 2nd match which was a do or die match for them. now the 3rd match here was not the final match of a 2nation series. this was a final of a tournament. we are bigger chokers than SA in finals. we are yet to win a final. I think we would have lost against ZIM if they made the final. the result might have been different if it was a 3 match series vs SL.

in short when looking back at the tour I am not seeing any unexpected results. we just hope to get way too much from our team. this team isn't that good.

putting the results aside the way we lost was not good. we are not that bad and SL isn't that good. but hey things like this happens. SA had a terrible series in BD. we weren't that good team and SA wasn't that bad
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Worse. We are boring. BoringDesh.

But yes, there is a way out. Break the team up. Rebuild. Rid the team of perennial cancers like the devious Rahim.
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Old February 19, 2018, 06:28 AM
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The harsh truth.

Forget the entertainment value of BPL. BPL is a league where 5 of the players are foreigners per XI and usually 12 overs are bowled by foreigners and the 4 of the top 6 batsman are foreigners.

What we really need is a proper T20 tournament focusing on the locals only. That will also ensure players are picked in BPL based on merit. National team too.

People say IPL benefitted India. But India already has a good domestic structure and they have regular A team and HP team tours. Their A team matches are given more value than IPL or any other domestics



They know who Sabbir is. Sabbir played against a lot of teams

Also sabbir sometime mentioned that BD can even chase 400+ !
Correct about the IPL part. We use IPL only as entertainment product and a money making machine for BCCI. Don't think national selectors pay much heed to IPLs performance.

Our domestic T20 tournament is Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy and Not IPL.
Then we have long list of List A and first class tournaments like Vijay Hazare, Ranji, Duleep etc.

All the U19 cricketers you saw lift the world cup are product of these tournaments...none of them have played IPL yet.

BCB first need to improve their domestic cricket and pour money there. Showing the world that you have good T20 league BPL will not help your national team. If your Godown is empty...you cant afford a lucrative showroom.

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The team is a minnow – simple! I'm just happy that we can at least win some games across all formats now. Still have a long way to go. We should be embarrassed because if you look at a country like New Zealand, they have just under 5 million people, yet have an excellent cricket team that can compete at all levels.
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Old February 19, 2018, 04:25 PM
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The team is a minnow – simple! I'm just happy that we can at least win some games across all formats now. Still have a long way to go. We should be embarrassed because if you look at a country like New Zealand, they have just under 5 million people, yet have an excellent cricket team that can compete at all levels.
AND cricket is a distant second in terms of popularity. It's not even in the same ball park as their love for rugby. It's incredible.

I think more than how good NZ has been, it's a good indicator of how un-competitive international cricket truly is - that a country with 4.5 million people can be a perennial favorite.

Barring just 4 countries (NZ, AUS, ENG, IRE), the rest of the cricket playing nations are all third world countries with 3rd world problems. The only reason India is able to overcome their 3rd world-ness is because of their sheer size AND because that size allows them majority of the cricket viewing market share. It would be relatively easy for any 1st world nation with sufficient interest to become like NZ within a decade.
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Old February 24, 2018, 07:12 AM
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Mashrafe key keno teney T20 nitey chay Paponna ?
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"......... It would be relatively easy for any 1st world nation with sufficient interest to become like NZ within a decade.
It took more than 2 decades (26 years) for 1st world country NZ to win first international match. In less than two decades third word country Sri Lanka became world champion with similar population size.
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