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Old October 22, 2018, 04:05 AM
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Default Selection Headaches for BD's ODI Team

You got Liton and Imrul who have scored big recently.

Mithun has been decent at no. 5.

You got Tamim and Shakib who will come back into the side soon.

You got 4 slots to pick Rubel, Nazmul Islam, Mehedy, Mustafizur, Saifuddin.

You have Soumya and Fazle in the mix.

Bit of selection headaches before WC in England.

What should the ODI team look like?
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Old October 22, 2018, 04:20 AM
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And soumya is back in form, different format but if he carries it over to the 50 over game then he’s a consideration.

Shanto is also around, unless he gets matches he won’t be ready for WC, same as fazle, mithun etc.

Imo imrul is close to securing his WC spot, whether it’s opening or not opening, in his most recent reselection into the ODI team he has taken his chances (whilst others are failing to do so).

Liton can secure his spot in the WC squad but he needs some runs in this zim series otherwise he’s still in question.
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Old October 22, 2018, 04:30 AM
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Liton isn't consistent enough to be a "headache". Also if Shakib comes, Nazmul gets dropped. Given that Imrul is quite good against pace, he might get the nod for opening the batting with Tamim in the World Cup. Saifuddin is good with the bat but his bowling hasn't been good enough to be considered for a permanent place and unlike him, Rubel is a wicket-taker and consistently balls in the late 130s.

And complete package has done nothing but go out on a duck in his debut while Sarkar can only smash around inferior bowlers.
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Old October 22, 2018, 04:35 AM
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No debate/fixed players are:
1. Tamim (no debate)
2.
3.
4. Mushfiqur Rahman
5. Shakib Al-Hasan
6. Mahmudullah
7.
8.
9. Mashrafe Mortaza
10.
11. Mustafizur Rahman

Open slots:

2. I prefer Imul here. He is an opening batsman and should play as an opener
3. No 3 should never be an opener, but since we have no no 3, it can either be Liton or Soumya.
7. Ashraful or Mithun. If Mithun is chosen, he should play at no 6 and Mullah should bat at 7.
8. Saifuddin or Mehidy
10. Naz Apu or Rubel (depending on pitch, my preference is Apu)
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Old October 22, 2018, 04:41 AM
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I’m not sure exactly where saifuddin sits, I think he’s only being considered as an allrounder in which case with shakib coming back and if soumya comes back into the picture then that will make it tougher for saifuddin to get into that WC squad, seems to me that soumya is still high in the selection thoughts for WC and his bowling is considered good enough if they want an allrounder type who can bowl pace.

I agree Liton hasn’t done enough to cause a headache, one century isn’t enough, imrul has done more in his last 5 matches than Liton has.
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Old October 22, 2018, 04:47 AM
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Shanto is a number 3 but he’s not getting any experience hence it would be risky to play him in the WC.
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Old October 22, 2018, 04:48 AM
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No debate/fixed players are:
1. Tamim (no debate)
2.
3.
4. Mushfiqur Rahman
5. Shakib Al-Hasan
6. Mahmudullah
7.
8.
9. Mashrafe Mortaza
10.
11. Mustafizur Rahman

Open slots:

2. I prefer Imul here. He is an opening batsman and should play as an opener
3. No 3 should never be an opener, but since we have no no 3, it can either be Liton or Soumya.
7. Ashraful or Mithun. If Mithun is chosen, he should play at no 6 and Mullah should bat at 7.
8. Saifuddin or Mehidy
10. Naz Apu or Rubel (depending on pitch, my preference is Apu)
If Rubel doesn't get a fixed position in your line-up, I don't think it can be taken seriously. All our 3 pacers are fixed and if we start a 4th pace allrounder to England is the debate and it will only happen if Shakib plays.
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Old October 22, 2018, 05:00 AM
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Yes at this stage I think mash, fizz and rubel are clearly the top 3 pacers, again Abu hider might have caused a headache with this but I’ll say it again (like a broken record) he isn’t getting the opportunities and therefore experience to be a decent option.

I mean what is the WC plan? To cross our fingers and pray and hope that all of the starters will be uninjured/fit, inform and that the xi will stay the same for every match throughout the entire WC?

Take Abu hider, atm he’s the number 4 specialist pacer, how many matches will he play before WC? He might have 10 matches if he’s luck (probably not even that), what happens if a pacer gets injured and can’t play the WC or they get injured during the World Cup or are in horrible form? We are going to throw in a player who has no experience at international level and possibly hasn’t played a lot of cricket leading up to it because he’s constantly benched?
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Old October 22, 2018, 05:43 AM
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That's why I wanted us to rest Mustafizur and play Abu Hider against Zimbabwe. Abu Hider has shown that he can bat with his T20 performances and needs international matches before the World Cup. I don't think he will suffer if slotted in as he has a lot of domestic List A and T20 experience at quite a young age.
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Old October 22, 2018, 05:57 AM
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Saifuddin could be so useful as late order batsman who could get us quick runs or build a partnership in case of collapse but unfortunately I don't see how he can make the team if miraz and Rubel plays , either one of those two has to miss out . In English conditions we may think of playing saifuddin instead of miraz, I think saifuddin can have a higher strike rate than miraz in end overs as well
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Old October 22, 2018, 07:59 AM
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This will be my 15 player squad: Tamim, Imrul, Liton, Mushfiqur, Shakib, Riyad, Mehedi, Saifuddin, Mortaza, Rubel and Fizz...Mithun, Mosaddek, Abu Hider and Ashraful. Ideally, I would also want Nurul, but that's not going to happen. If the squad consists of sixteen players, then I would prefer if he was the additional member.
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Old October 22, 2018, 09:08 AM
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Yeah I agree that Liton has not done enough to cause any headaches. He had one century but before that he was quite poor. He is still in contention however. Imrul on the other hand is a must for WC. Whether he plays or not will depend on the next matches leading up to it but he should make the trip to England.

Tamim, Shakib, Mushy, Riyad, Mash, Rubel, Fizz have a fixed spot in the XI. Don't think anyone is going to change that. That leaves us 5 spots and this is how we should form our XI imo based on the conditions and current form. A lot of things could change between now and WC but I think we are getting there.

Tamim Iqbal
Imrul Kayes
Shakib Al Hasan
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mithun Ali (?)
Mahmudullah Riyad
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Mehedi Miraz/Mohammad Saifuddin
Mashrafe Mortaza
Rubel Hossain
Mustafizur Rahman

Contention: Abu Haider, Soumya Sarkar, Liton Das, Ariful Haque, Sabbir Rahman, Nazmul Opu, Nazmul Shanto

I put a question mark next to Mithun because of his technical difficulties against pacers. I am not sure how he will fare against pace attacks of Australia, England etc. But he is starting to make that #5 position his own and knows how to accelerate to keep his SR going.

#7 is up for grabs. I think Sabbir will make a comeback after his ban. As much as I don't like Sabbir, I don't think anyone has the hitting ability like him at that spot. Ariful is not getting any chances to stake a claim, I don't think he will be ready for England conditions.

Miraz has been regular for #8 but I am not sure how effective he will be at that position as his spin might not be effective in England. I think Saifuddin might get the nod ahead of him or we could push Mash to that spot and have Haider come at #9.

I think we are finding players for certain positions. All we need right now is the team performing as a unit instead of one or two players taking us home.
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Old October 22, 2018, 09:29 AM
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Even Liton's century had flaws. It was one of the least fluent centuries I've seen despite being scored at a run a ball. Liton relies too much on boundaries and can't rotate the strike.

Right now our openers should be Tamim and Imrul, with Soumya as a backup. As of now, I would say our World Cup 15 should be:

Tamim
Imrul
Shanto
Mushy
Riyad
Shakib
Saifuddin
Miraz
Mashrafee
Rubel
Mustafiz

Soumya
Apu
Hider
Liton
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Old October 22, 2018, 09:50 AM
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I am curious to know why you think Shanto would be ready for the upcoming WC?
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Old October 22, 2018, 09:50 AM
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World Cup is a big show and I would not experiment too much unless someone is really out of form. This would be my final 15 keeping in mind England condition.

1. Tamim
2. Imrul
3. Shakib
4. Mushfiq
5. Mithun (although he did well in Ireland and in recent matches, I hope he maintains the form)
6. Mahmudullah
7. Saifuddin (need pace allrounder, it might leverage us to play extra spinner/batsman if needed)
8. Miraz
9. Mashrafe
10. Mustafiz
11. Rubel

12. Liton - back-up opener/keeper
13. Soumya - if he maintains his form
14. Nazmul - back-up spinner
15. Abu Hider/Ebadat/Abu Jayed
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Old October 22, 2018, 09:51 AM
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Even Liton's century had flaws. It was one of the least fluent centuries I've seen despite being scored at a run a ball. Liton relies too much on boundaries and can't rotate the strike.

Right now our openers should be Tamim and Imrul, with Soumya as a backup. As of now, I would say our World Cup 15 should be:

Tamim
Imrul
Shanto
Mushy
Riyad
Shakib
Saifuddin
Miraz
Mashrafee
Rubel
Mustafiz

Soumya
Apu
Hider
Liton
What is the reason for leaving Mithun out?
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Old October 22, 2018, 09:55 AM
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Shakib's stats at #3 is phenomenal this year. 10 matches, 40 avg, 80 SR. There's no reason to change his position in my opinion.
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Even Liton's century had flaws. It was one of the least fluent centuries I've seen despite being scored at a run a ball. Liton relies too much on boundaries and can't rotate the strike.

Right now our openers should be Tamim and Imrul, with Soumya as a backup. As of now, I would say our World Cup 15 should be:

Tamim
Imrul
Shanto
Mushy
Riyad
Shakib
Saifuddin
Miraz
Mashrafee
Rubel
Mustafiz

Soumya
Apu
Hider
Liton
What is the reason for leaving Mithun out?
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Old October 22, 2018, 10:03 AM
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From what it looks like it would be something like this,

Tamim
Imrul
Shakib
Mushy
Mithun
Riyad
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Miraz
Mash
Fizz
Rubel

Extras: Liton, Apu, Saifuddin/Ariful/Soumya, Rony

I really hope both Saifuddin, Soumya and Ariful gets a hand full of chances to make their claim. An inform either of them will be a key component to our balance
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Old October 22, 2018, 10:54 AM
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It doesn't really matter because we aren't good enough to win the world cup anyway. England are strong favourites, but they will find it difficult once you get to knockout rounds because anything can happen. Just ask Pakistan.
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only 6 of them has cemented their spot tbh. its the same 6 that's been carrying around the team. The rest will get selected depending on their performance from the upcoming matches/tours
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Hopefully Saifuddin can continue with the bat and ball. Rahim dropped a catch that a taller keeper would not miss.

One reason to have Liton, or even introduce Nurul asap (he did well in his two ODI opportunities, that too vs NZ in foreign conditions), is to have them as the wk.

You can pick many sides, but if you don't address or cover your weaknesses, you can bet that you will be found out in the big stages.


But the way Liton was struggling and the way he got out, it was no better than Shanto's show in Asia cup, that I can tell you. And while we are trying to knit a team together, we are also all the time looking for next generational talent. So Shanto could have used the chance, that's for sure.
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Old October 22, 2018, 12:10 PM
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Even Liton's century had flaws. It was one of the least fluent centuries I've seen despite being scored at a run a ball. Liton relies too much on boundaries and can't rotate the strike.
When Liton Das scored that century in the final he had control percentage of 89 and he scored only 50% of his runs on boundaries. I don't understand how that's not a fluent innings. Give credit where it is due.
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I am not sure how effective Shakib will be now that his little finger is messed up. To be safe, I would put him back in the middle order.

Fazle, most likely, will not be any headache except that he will once again make Bashar a laughing stock as a selector.

Shanto is still far from convincing.

My line up would be:

Tamim
Imrul
Soumya
Mushfiq
Mithun
Shakib
Riyad
Miraz
Mash
Fizz
Rubel

Bench: Liton, Roni, Apu, Saifuddin/Arif
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Shakib's stats at #3 is phenomenal this year. 10 matches, 40 avg, 80 SR. There's no reason to change his position in my opinion.
I would beg to differ. Since we are focusing on making an XI for the WC, we should keep in mind the English condition. Over there, the ball swings like crazy in the initial overs, and Shakib is weak against it. He is too valuable a batsman for us to get out early. He should go back to his old position as a middle order batsman IMO.
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