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Old September 17, 2018, 02:07 PM
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Default What happened to Haturi?

Title self evident.

Is it his coaching or the players that can explain such poor run of SL cricket?

They seem depleted, demorlized, devastated and ultimately badly defeated.

In hindsight, maybe it was wise for us to part ways with him.
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Old September 17, 2018, 02:11 PM
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Getting ready for the WC. That is all. Chandimal's absence was felt. Dickwella who was so good against SA was dropped, I don't know why.

His strategy is to give the players a long run to build confidence. Createa core group for the long run. No matter what, Sarkar-Sabbir will not be dropped. That kinda thing.
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Old September 17, 2018, 02:25 PM
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My perception has always been that Haturi was never a great coach. The factors behind Bangladesh's success during his tenure was:

1. Siddons had contributed greatly in bringing the best of Tamim, Mushy, Shakib, and Mahmudullah. He was a true technical guy.

2. BCB made the correct decision by awarding ODI captaincy to Mash and test captaincy to Mushy.

3. Our fab 5 - Mushy, Tamim, Shak, Mahmudullah, and Mash are the most hard working players. As Mushy said many times, their improvement is primarily because of their own work ethic. This has been confirmed by Mash, Isam, Khaled Mashud, and many other reporters. And because the young players do not have such work ethic, they also could not replicate the success of fav 5.

4. Faruk was a better selector than our current panel.

5. Heath Streak contributed greatly to the bowling department.
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Old September 17, 2018, 02:26 PM
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Of course it was wise. People said he was the reason we won those Tests. No it was the spinners plus the curator. Maybe he infused a bit of confidence but so think that was more Shakib, Tamim, and Mushys call.

In ODIs it’s been the big 5 plus Fizz and now Miraz. We just need 2 more batters support those guys.
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Old September 17, 2018, 02:31 PM
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Haturi did some good things to improve individual performances.

But his main contribution was to curb the ego of the senior players. Shakib was benched which was good for him. Tamim toned down and changed his approach to batting.
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Old September 17, 2018, 02:35 PM
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not sure but only assuming Haturi’s issues

Not enough good players from the basket to pick from.

Older players are not fully fit to perform as they would have few years ago. So he has been dealing with players who are at their final phases.

I heard Sri Lanka suffers from politics in selection so that is something probably he has not got hold of yet.
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Old September 17, 2018, 02:36 PM
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Lankan pipeline was always productive, they could produce world beating spinners or thrashing batsmen out of no where almost every season regardless of coaching and management.
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Old September 17, 2018, 02:45 PM
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Lankan pipeline was always productive, they could produce world beating spinners or thrashing batsmen out of no where almost every season regardless of coaching and management.
That pipeline seems clogged up now and having to bring back retired players. Losing to Afghanistan by such a margin
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Old September 17, 2018, 02:56 PM
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Fazal mamu will not be happy. He was going non stop how the seniors are the evil and Haturi was our savior

but real credit should go to Papon. He managed to instill discipline through Haturi, that created some clash with the seniors, who in turn took more ownership/discipline in the team, and then got Haturi fired in the end.

masterstroke by papon khalu.
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Old September 17, 2018, 03:00 PM
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Lanka will bounce back. Haturu will turn things around for them. They have just lost few excellent players and will take time for the young players to settle.
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Old September 17, 2018, 03:04 PM
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Title self evident.

Is it his coaching or the players that can explain such poor run of SL cricket?

They seem depleted, demorlized, devastated and ultimately badly defeated.

In hindsight, maybe it was wise for us to part ways with him.
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Old September 17, 2018, 03:20 PM
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My perception has always been that Haturi was never a great coach. The factors behind Bangladesh's success during his tenure was:

1. Siddons had contributed greatly in bringing the best of Tamim, Mushy, Shakib, and Mahmudullah. He was a true technical guy.

2. BCB made the correct decision by awarding ODI captaincy to Mash and test captaincy to Mushy.

3. Our fab 5 - Mushy, Tamim, Shak, Mahmudullah, and Mash are the most hard working players. As Mushy said many times, their improvement is primarily because of their own work ethic. This has been confirmed by Mash, Isam, Khaled Mashud, and many other reporters. And because the young players do not have such work ethic, they also could not replicate the success of fav 5.

4. Faruk was a better selector than our current panel.

5. Heath Streak contributed greatly to the bowling department.
Totally agree.
Also not to forget that he capitalized on the good form of SS,Sabbir and Taskin.
Once they were oit of form he coild do nothing.

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Old September 17, 2018, 04:20 PM
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Haturi did some good things to improve individual performances.

But his main contribution was to curb the ego of the senior players. Shakib was benched which was good for him. Tamim toned down and changed his approach to batting.
Tamim's change in batting approach happened after Sarkar failed massively after initial success. He changed his approach to getting runs than scoring quicker after that. Haturi's major contribution was turning Mahmudullah into a finisher and big hitter.
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Old September 17, 2018, 04:23 PM
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Fazal mamu will not be happy. He was going non stop how the seniors are the evil and Haturi was our savior

but real credit should go to Papon. He managed to instill discipline through Haturi, that created some clash with the seniors, who in turn took more ownership/discipline in the team, and then got Haturi fired in the end.

masterstroke by papon khalu.
Papon should get zero credit. The guy didn't even appoint a head coach for seven months and it was one of the reason for our embarrassing loss to Afghanistan and tri-series loss to Sri Lanka. As for Haturi, his discipline doesn't really show when the players had rebelled against him. He was considered a tyrant in his approach and isolated himself from the players for that. Haturi would also not attend domestic games but wanted to be a selector. For that he gave Sarkar chance after chance to prove himself but couldn't develop him.
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Old September 17, 2018, 05:25 PM
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Tamim's change in batting approach happened after Sarkar failed massively after initial success. He changed his approach to getting runs than scoring quicker after that. Haturi's major contribution was turning Mahmudullah into a finisher and big hitter.
Tamim’s approach might have come after Sarkar’s failure but Haturi is the one who implemented the process for him to change, otherwise it seems you are saying Tamim himself alone was responsible for this change.

Haturi’s major contribution was steadying the ship and managing and disciplining the senior players who were running on their large egos.
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Old September 17, 2018, 05:30 PM
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Papon should get zero credit. The guy didn't even appoint a head coach for seven months and it was one of the reason for our embarrassing loss to Afghanistan and tri-series loss to Sri Lanka.
Intially I wasn’t happy with Papon, but I think he should be given some credit. He has managed to fix matches and keep the team busy during his tenure. I think it took awhile to find a good coach who would want to take the job rather than make a hasty decision.
TBH Bangladesh has got some of its best results during his term but I think that’s an overall effort from everyone involved and not just him.
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Old September 17, 2018, 08:28 PM
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Why are you guys so obsessed with Haturisingha?
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Why are you guys so obsessed with Haturisingha?
And you don't enjoy being the mosquito kicking elephant in schadenfreude... why?
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Old September 18, 2018, 02:33 AM
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Intially I wasn’t happy with Papon, but I think he should be given some credit. He has managed to fix matches and keep the team busy during his tenure. I think it took awhile to find a good coach who would want to take the job rather than make a hasty decision.
TBH Bangladesh has got some of its best results during his term but I think that’s an overall effort from everyone involved and not just him.
That best result has nothing to do with Papon. Results came because our senior players stepped in and then guys like Mustafizur and Rubel did as well.
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Old September 18, 2018, 02:43 AM
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Why are you guys so obsessed with Haturisingha?
Cuz he left us dawg!! How dare he?
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Old September 18, 2018, 02:57 AM
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That best result has nothing to do with Papon. Results came because our senior players stepped in and then guys like Mustafizur and Rubel did as well.
Ofcourse its the players who play are the main reasons. But not giving credit to Papon at all is actually wrong. You are totally ignoring how Papon has been managing things for the team. Yes he has done some gaffes but he has also done things some things right too.
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Old September 18, 2018, 03:36 AM
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Fazal mamu will not be happy. He was going non stop how the seniors are the evil and Haturi was our savior
But..but...but.. I agree with you
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Old September 18, 2018, 03:39 AM
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I would love to know if Hathuru watches the domestic cricket in SL now unlike his tenure in BD.
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Old September 18, 2018, 07:36 AM
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Maybe the SL are protesting by playing like this. They want him out.

And SL players are masters of deception, trickery, and bull-sh!t.
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