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Old August 2, 2018, 06:08 AM
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Default Death of Students Lead to Huge Protests

The main elephant room is not being talked about.

The recent death of two college students have sparked protests in the country by students. We have a nasty Minister mocking these deaths to be a trivial matter. And an Education Minister taking 3 days to recognise it officially.
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Old August 2, 2018, 08:18 AM
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Here is my view

The fact that unfit vehicles (easily identifiable) is allowed to be driven in the street without
consequences shows how corrupt the society is.

This is all a result of syndicate that controls the bus and truck industry. New investors are resisted from getting into the business. The existing ones have no regulations to follow to operate their vehicle/business except for payment of a small sum to the authority dedicated to maintaining the regulations. Hence no fitness, no drivers licence, infact a lot of the drivers cannot even read or write.. but hey no problemos.
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Old August 2, 2018, 09:08 AM
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Here is my view

The fact that unfit vehicles (easily identifiable) is allowed to be driven in the street without
consequences shows how corrupt the society is.

This is all a result of syndicate that controls the bus and truck industry. New investors are resisted from getting into the business. The existing ones have no regulations to follow to operate their vehicle/business except for payment of a small sum to the authority dedicated to maintaining the regulations. Hence no fitness, no drivers licence, infact a lot of the drivers cannot even read or write.. but hey no problemos.
I call this the "That'll do" mentality.

Everything we attempted is either half assed. Look at our infrastructure a pristine example.
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Old August 2, 2018, 09:13 AM
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Can someone explain to me the difference between Hasina and a dictator.

Bangladesh need a new face, instead of these inherited and entitled idiots
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Old August 2, 2018, 09:35 AM
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Can someone explain to me the difference between Hasina and a dictator.

Bangladesh need a new face, instead of these inherited and entitled idiots
I share your sentiments however thats beside the topic. Even Khaleda would have used the same force and done the same thing.

What Hasina should do is make some heads roll from her own party to calm the situation. She is instead using police and in some areas army to get a grip.
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Old August 2, 2018, 09:40 AM
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Here is my view

The fact that unfit vehicles (easily identifiable) is allowed to be driven in the street without
consequences shows how corrupt the society is.

This is all a result of syndicate that controls the bus and truck industry. New investors are resisted from getting into the business. The existing ones have no regulations to follow to operate their vehicle/business except for payment of a small sum to the authority dedicated to maintaining the regulations. Hence no fitness, no drivers licence, infact a lot of the drivers cannot even read or write.. but hey no problemos.
I also agree with vehicles need to be fit. But it is more important to get drivers trained with valid licenses, put safety precautions in speeding and overtaking areas where accidents happen, and stop jay walking.
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Old August 2, 2018, 09:42 AM
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There are reports of some of Hasina's party goons are alleging the students to be BNP and Jamaat brain washed, while someone went as far as branding the students RAJAKARs children

This is as bad if not worse than the comment a Minsiter or MP made about the Rana plaza disaster that some BNP Jamat supporters shook the gate of the plaza to cause the downfall.
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Old August 2, 2018, 09:59 AM
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There are reports of some of Hasina's party goons are alleging the students to be BNP and Jamaat brain washed, while someone went as far as branding the students RAJAKARs children

This is as bad if not worse than the comment a Minsiter or MP made about the Rana plaza disaster that some BNP Jamat supporters shook the gate of the plaza to cause the downfall.
It is very normal scenario in BD. Even if Anyone farts, BAL will blame BNP Jamat for this. The table will turn around if BNP gets elected. Then they will start blaming BAL for everything. Ridiculous Politics and stupid politicians
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Old August 2, 2018, 09:59 AM
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I also agree with vehicles need to be fit. But it is more important to get drivers trained with valid licenses, put safety precautions in speeding and overtaking areas where accidents happen, and stop jay walking.
Disagree, a fit vehicle is a must... The first accident I witnessed live was a bus T-boning 2 rickshaws. It happened not because the driver was at fault but he could not stop because his hydraulic brakes gave up...

Also it is important for all vehicles on the road to be able to anticipate the movement of all other vehicles, without indicators working it is impossible. One can only blame the driver once the vehicle he operates is safe to be driven in the road.
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Old August 2, 2018, 10:07 AM
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Disagree, a fit vehicle is a must... The first accident I witnessed live was a bus T-boning 2 rickshaws. It happened not because the driver was at fault but he could not stop because his hydraulic brakes gave up...

Also it is important for all vehicles on the road to be able to anticipate the movement of all other vehicles, without indicators working it is impossible. One can only blame the driver once the vehicle he operates is safe to be driven in the road.
A driver without a license shouldnt be allowed to drive at all regardless of the condition of the vehicle though.
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Old August 2, 2018, 10:14 AM
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A driver without a license shouldnt be allowed to drive at all regardless of the condition of the vehicle though.
True.. also true that you can buy a genuine licence (or atleast u could few years back) from BRTA. Just pay the money and no test required. Hope that changed (if someone can shed some light) ?

Also there are hardly any bus/truck driving schools in Bangladesh/India/Pakistan. Usually the helpers learn from the drivers and that has been going on for ages.

One of the condition for driving is that the driver must be able to read and write, but that condition was protested by the bus truck owners and drivers syndicate. Tells u all u need to know.
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Old August 2, 2018, 10:21 AM
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Dear guys, what happened? I get the gist that something of extremely sad and horrible happened, a student(s) died in road accident due to reckless bus or truck drivers.
I am at work, I couldn't do a quick search, will do later at home..

But I read our BC quickly every now and then...
Thank you, bhais and apus.

May the souls of the student victims rest in eternal peace.
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Old August 2, 2018, 10:32 AM
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Bangladeshi politics is kinda like Zimbabwean cricket. All the talented students are going overseas and settling abroad , and getting degrees from prestigious universities.

If a few million well educated students in law,Commerce,economics and business came back to Bangladesh, we could of formed a third party , easily strong enough to take down the uneducated and back wards thinking politicians of BNP and ALP.

Alas this we'll never happen , but one can dream. We can call it UDSP

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Old August 2, 2018, 10:39 AM
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Dear guys, what happened? I get the gist that something of extremely sad and horrible happened, a student(s) died in road accident due to reckless bus or truck drivers.
I am at work, I couldn't do a quick search, will do later at home..

But I read our BC quickly every now and then...
Thank you, bhais and apus.

May the souls of the student victims rest in eternal peace.
This is not getting strong attention outside Bangladesh.

Sad times BK Bhai. Short cut story:
- 2 college students was killed by a bus driver
- Students from the college protesting for justice for these students
- Police starts attacking students.
- Students enraged by the comments made by a smiling Minister implying this is not a big issue for kids to get killed
- Students from all walks of life demanding safer roads and licenses for drivers
- Today BCL and police attacking students and intimidating them with gun shots

Allhamdullillah no further deaths during protest period
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Old August 2, 2018, 10:45 AM
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Bangladeshi politics is kinda like Zimbabwean cricket. All the talented students are going overseas and settling abroad , and getting degrees from prestigious universities.

If a few million well educated students in law,Commerce,economics and business came back to Bangladesh, we could of formed a third party , easily strong enough to take down the uneducated and back wards thinking politicians of BNP and ALP.

Alas this we'll never happen , but one can dream. We can call it UDSP

Unified Democratic Socialist Party
Politics is not that easy tbh. Education especially in the sub continent doesnt have as big as a role as it does in Western countries. Before, you only needed money to win in Bangladesh, but from what I heard a newbie even in a fair election cant win unless he spends alot of time with the voters. One of BC forum members' relative in here stood in an election when BNP contested BNP. He was atleast 5 times richer than his rival and spend lots of money on the election also more educated. But he got defeated by a younger guy from his same party, as he spent more time with the local people.

Also the nature of our people does not allow good people to get elected. We had all these corrupt politicians in jail during at one time during a care taker government. But still they were allowed to contest for elections.

But again, all of this is beside the point.
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My two cents:

I often hear our PMs, ministers, MPs asking foreign investors to invest in BD. Don't they look at the infrastructure of BD and feel ashamed when they make this request to foreign investors? What impression does an investor get when he lands at our airport and comes out of it?

As I had said before, BD unfortunately never had any visionary leader. Sk Mujib was a visionary, but as he said, sobai pai sonar khoni, ami paisi chorer khoni. Thus the vision remained a vision.

Since 1990s, when parliamentary politics made a comeback to BD, our rulers, both BNP and AL, have ruled simply to maintain the status quo and use the state as a money making machine for their future or the future of their family somewhere else. They never had any sincere vision for BD. Thus, we have had development (unnoyon), but this was always unnoyon of joratali/eye wash/kaj chole type. And whatever development has happened, the true goal was percentage. But now that our economy has grown, population grown - our jora tali road infrastructure is failing to take pressure any longer. Road accidents result in more than 8000 deaths per year and many more in permanent disabilities.

At the same time, whatever system/infrastructure we have, if we the BD people were civil and well mannered, we could have done better. But like it or not, BD people in general are bad - no manners, corrupt, jealous, not law abiding....(you can name almost all negatives here). Last December when I visited BD, my driver was driving very recklessly - with utmost disrespect to rules - cutting people for no reason, honking for no reason and what not. I confronted him and explained to him that this is not right. I told him that I drive and that this sort of competition in the roads and harakiri will not reach you to your destination earlier save may be few minutes. He did not buy my logic (and my logic is true - over speeding often saves you max few minutes). He said, "afnegor kothamoto gari calaile saradin rastay boia thahon lagbno." Then he got into an accident. The accident happened outside Dhaka, and our car was about to fall into a ditch. But God saved us. Both parties agreed that we will go our ways - but local mastans gathered immediately out of no where and demanded chanda. They blocked our car and didn't allow us to leave until both parties paid those mastans to the tune of 5000 BDT. During that whole fiasco, I heard from those mastans language I never heard before.

Anyway, coming to the recent protests, these are only pixels of the bigger image about the anger public has about government. Government trying to put the fire - gave 20 lakh to each family, reprimanded Shahjahan khan but road system will remain jei lau sei kodu.

Another good analysis

http://www.prothomalo.com/opinion/ar...নীতি
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This is not getting strong attention outside Bangladesh.

Sad times BK Bhai. Short cut story:
- 2 college students was killed by a bus driver
- Students from the college protesting for justice for these students
- Police starts attacking students.
- Students enraged by the comments made by a smiling Minister implying this is not a big issue for kids to get killed
- Students from all walks of life demanding safer roads and licenses for drivers
- Today BCL and police attacking students and intimidating them with gun shots

Allhamdullillah no further deaths during protest period
Thank you for explaining the incident and the situation to me, Adam bhaiya!
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Middle laney bus cholti obostay passengereky namaiya dey. Ar, left laney arek bus speedey ashey.
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A driver without a license shouldnt be allowed to drive at all regardless of the condition of the vehicle though.
Adam bhai, Bangladesher kotha rakhen. Eikhaner obostai dekhen na. Ekhaney ajkal East European adultra ar Tower Hamletser polapan jemney gari chalay , tatey vuja jay jiboney kuno driving lesson ney nai ar license sara gari chalay.
Lane discpline nai, indicator bebohar korey na, tailgating korey, left only laney giya straight jay, 50 er rastay 80tey chalay, zigzagging korey ... ami janala khuila Banglay galigalaj kori jorey. Apnar vabi amar shathey garitey uthey tajjob hoye jay amarey deikha.
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^^ A licence is only valid if the licence holder
1/ Gave a legitimate driving test and passed
2/ Can read and write (not uneducated)

Your licence might be legal while one/two or both of the above conditions are false in Bangladesh. (In other words legal licence can be easily obtained through illegal means in Bangladesh)
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Adam bhai, Bangladesher kotha rakhen. Eikhaner obostai dekhen na. Ekhaney ajkal East European adultra ar Tower Hamletser polapan jemney gari chalay , tatey vuja jay jiboney kuno driving lesson ney nai ar license sara gari chalay.
Lane discpline nai, indicator bebohar korey na, tailgating korey, left only laney giya straight jay, 50 er rastay 80tey chalay, zigzagging korey ... ami janala khuila Banglay galigalaj kori jorey. Apnar vabi amar shathey garitey uthey tajjob hoye jay amarey deikha.

TBH driving on roads these days isn’t as enjoyable as it used to be because of the type of drivers you have mentioned in the UK. And don’t forget the cyclists some of whom who think they own the road.

I used to have road rage and not always drive like a bhodro lok!

But comparing UK and Bangladesh driving experience is like comparing Theresa May and Sheikh Hasina.

Coming back to the issue, I wanted to hear your views of what the school kids are doing. Mostly people encouraging these steps etc. I feel some aspects of this are great but at the end of the day little will come by it. If they can make that nasty Minister kicked from his post then I guess that would be a result.
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But comparing UK and Bangladesh driving experience is like comparing Theresa May and Sheikh Hasina.
if all the factors are kept equal and May and hasina are put head to head. My money is on Hasina to outshine.
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Coming back to the issue, I wanted to hear your views of what the school kids are doing. Mostly people encouraging these steps etc. I feel some aspects of this are great but at the end of the day little will come by it. If they can make that nasty Minister kicked from his post then I guess that would be a result.
Nothing fruitful will come out of this IMHO. You need to have a political party backups to achieve something in BD. Yes, it is good seeing our students getting united for a great cause, but sooner or later they will go home. Politicians are just buying time now, Eid is knocking on the door too. After eid, it will all be about election and if the students continue protesting, they will face the wrath of Chatro league nand Bangladesh Lathiyal bahini AKA police. They along with chatro league already have beaten few students in mirpur today. And it will only get worse.

Shahajahan will not resign because he is a shameless retard. Actually all politicians are. No need to single him out
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Nothing fruitful will come out of this IMHO. You need to have a political party backups to achieve something in BD. Yes, it is good seeing our students getting united for a great cause, but sooner or later they will go home. Politicians are just buying time now, Eid is knocking on the door too. After eid, it will all be about election and if the students continue protesting, they will face the wrath of Chatro league nand Bangladesh Lathiyal bahini AKA police. They along with chatro league already have beaten few students in mirpur today. And it will only get worse.

Shahajahan will not resign because he is a shameless retard. Actually all politicians are. No need to single him out
Finally someone sticking to the point.

Good to see the kids united and doing some good things on the roads. I also think that this will just die down in few days and nothing much will come of it either. Even it took ages for Biswajeet killers to bring them to justice.

Read 20 lakhs takes each was given to the two families of the deceased. But this will not in any way compensate for the mental loss they will suffer.

But Hasina allowing brutal force on young kids is just a sign showing what a harsh leader she is. Wonder if her Dad dreamt of such a pathetic situation.
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I just hope no more innocent kids suffer physical beatings.
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