{2004} Bangladesh defeat will cause introuduction of three tier system?

[sageX]

vv_shunik you are not a bd fan. Plz stop pretending. Real vv-shunit plz standup. Anyway you can cry for 3 tier, 2tier or 100 tier. They are as dead as disko,BJP, USSR and comunism. If you havn't notice, Cricket is in decline. Not because of Bangladesh, Jimbabwe. Cricket is loosing to other sports. WI athlete are more playing baseball then cricket. Most of the country are loosing performance. You want to make 3 tier. You can kiss cricket goodbye.

[ZunaidH]

My personal opinion of Ganguli and his "elitist" comment:

Ganguly's position in the Indian team is seriously threatened. His wobbly slow balling is no more a package required as a fifth baller in the Indian team. Any "tier 2" and "tier 3" batsman can probably take him out. I believe Sujon is a better baller than Ganguly anyday. In terms of batting he is no more a threat as his mediocrity has been exposed long ago. If anyone has seen the VB series in New Zealand a year and a half ago would know what I am talking about. If you are not sure just look at the Pakistan series where India was really a better team without him. Ganguli is scared that his sponsors would soon runaway. In summary, there are far better players in the Indian team right now. Eager Ganguli fans may argue that he is a great leader of the team. But I say, in sport , leadership is achieved only through excellence in performance and not "bhondami". Ganguli has been a bit fortunate to ride his luck so far - but I think the fortune will soon run out. His "elitist" comment was really a clutch at the last straw.

- ghor_jamai
disclaimer: as an avid cricket fan this is my personal analysis and is not meant to hurt anyone's feeling.

bd should be in the 1st tier.

reasons,

1. since whatmore came on, bd has taken 1st inning lead in 3 out of 11 tests showing that a win is coming soon. i can tell for sure that bd will have a better start than the kiwis. kiwis took 45 long tests to win a test match and bd would do it in less than 40.

2. bd has a huge cricket following with over 100+ million fans passionate for cricket. the fan following in be is the 3rd largest after ind & pak.

3. bd has a huge player base, better than some of the "top" test playing nations.

4. bd performance has really improved since whatmore and bd got a draw on its own strength inthe 1st test v wi.

give bd 2 years to develop and by that time bd will start winning 1-2 tests here and there.

[vv_sunil]

im a cricket - crazy - fan, i want to spread cricket all over, i want to get cricket popularised every where. that is y i supported bangladesh in all occassions. im a non-bangladeshi, but still used to watch all bangladesh matches in live as i was so confident of bangladeshis powerful performance. but the way they have performed in the second test againt west indies, they hv demorilised the spirit of every bangladesh fans. i fear that such kind of performance will force icc to look into the 2/3 tier systems, which is already in the hot discussions and icc is going to make a decision on it on june 27th. so i was asking, if the nations has cricket crazy supporters, talented players, full support from every corner, then why the players are not able to overcome their mental blocks? why they are not producing reasonable results and ultimately making a voice of 'unsuccessful test entry' in the cricket world? if this is the situation, how icc will look into the further process of spreading the test cricket in other nations...?

im worried about that only, but still im a good bangladeshi well wisher from outside bangladesh

vv_sunil, just 1 bad performance does not tell about how good or bad a team is.

u should not forget the fact thatthis was 1st innings defeat by bd after the aussie tour last year bd played 8 tests without a innings defeat, which is impressive.

lots of teams have bad performances, look at kiwis v eng, lankans v aus, pak v ind, but this does not make them bad teams. all teams have a good day and a bad day. dont derive too many conclusions from just 1 bad performance.

talking of collapses, there have been worser collapses. look at the 2ndd nz v pak test, when nz lost their last 7 wickets for 8 runs! or lookat the 47 allout by windies.

[ZunaidH]

vv_sunil;

Are you showing concern or are you in favour of the 2 tier test cricket with BD in tier 2? What is your position?

[vv_sunil]

im concerned about , what will be the position of bangladesh, if icc introduces the 2/3 tier system....

[sageX]

vv-sunil how much a cricketer make comparing to soccar, basketball or baseball player. Cricket as a whole is declining. Aus,India and SA these 3 team are playing good. Rest of the teams can qualify for your 2nd tier. Why is that?

Dalmia did this and that. So what. Why cant you [] wait for Srilanka and New Zealand and cannot wait for BD. As such a well wisher you are.

[Edited on 9-6-2004 by nasif : Moderation]

i want this 2/3 tier system to be put in place, but then bd should be in the 1st tier. no relegation since once u become a test nation, u shouldnt lose test status.

the topper from tier 2 should play a 3 "test" series with the bottom team of tier 1 and if that team can win or draw that series, then that team should be promoted to tier 1 and become the 11th/12th test nation.

promotion/relegation between tier 2 andtier 3 is fine since tier 2 and tier 3 matches r not "tests"

[sageX]

Originally posted by vv_sunil
im concerned about , what will be the position of bangladesh, if icc introduces the 2/3 tier system....

BD will be in 4th tier. Why dont you think about something else and leave us alone [].

[Edited on 9-6-2004 by sageX]

[Edited on 9-6-2004 by Zunaid : Moderation]

[vv_sunil]

i dont understand, instead of making cry for developing your players mental strengths , u people are getting irritated over the ' real facts'. i repeat, ur players has the talent, but fail to negotiate with mental blocks

[ZunaidH]

vv_sunil;

If you are geniuinely concerned then let me put this point straight out that you and I would not be posting comments in this board if BD was not playing test cricket. I would not bother to write here. BD cricket has already proven that they are coming up the ladder. The biggest achievement BD cricket has under the belt is to make the fans dream about winning. In four years, that is quite an achievement. ICC has given us the ladder to climb by giving us test status. If they take away that ladder, especially when we have begun climbing it, the act would be self contradicting. In summary, if you are genuinely concerned then please write a letter to ICC stating the strong point BD cricket has. Perhaps you can share that letter in this thread. My "salaam" to anyone who puts out time for our team.

[sageX]

you are []. Thats the fact!

[Edited on 6-9-2004 by chinaman : moderation.]

[sageX]

Originally posted by ghor_jamai
vv_sunil;

If you are geniuinely concerned then let me put this point straight out that you and I would not be posting comments in this board if BD was not playing test cricket. I would not bother to write here. BD cricket has already proven that they are coming up the ladder. The biggest achievement BD cricket has under the belt is to make the fans dream about winning. In four years, that is quite an achievement. ICC has given us the ladder to climb by giving us test status. If they take away that ladder, especially when we have begun climbing it, the act would be self contradicting. In summary, if you are genuinely concerned then please write a letter to ICC stating the strong point BD cricket has. Perhaps you can share that letter in this thread. My "salaam" to anyone who puts out time for our team.

Donot be soft with these kinda ppl. They will kick you when you are down. Thats there fun. Concern my foot.

[vv_sunil]

be think positively

im looking for positive side, not the negative

i watched this series fully, awaking upto 4.00 'o' clock in the night. i was not mad.
i was in the expectation that some where the match will get in the way of bangladesh

so pl dont make any negative statments,
im always with bangladesh and really want to see more better performance from the

[sageX]

Originally posted by vv_sunil
be think positively

im looking for positive side, not the negative

i watched this series fully, awaking upto 4.00 'o' clock in the night. i was not mad.
i was in the expectation that some where the match will get in the way of bangladesh

so pl dont make any negative statments,
im always with bangladesh and really want to see more better performance from the

Then shutup and wait like we are doing.

[chinaman]

Dear sageX

Don't you think you are being rude when you call people names and suggest that they keep their mouth shut?

Forum is all about discussion, decent ones. Please respond to the message and not to the messenger. Thank you.

[vv_sunil]

this is kind of attitude is very sad and discouraging all non-bangladeshi supporters

u people are just trying to say that u know the best and dont want to see any criticism

it is very bad,

u cant run away from the reality

[Ahmed_B]

Originally posted by vv_sunil
im concerned about , what will be the position of bangladesh, if icc introduces the 2/3 tier system....

vv_sunil.. i think u r going way too far now! even u r ovetaking ICC on this matter.
u r more confirmed about it tht 2/3 tier system is gonna be established.. even ICC itself isnt that sure about it!! what makes u so confident that this system will be made??
Isnt that something to discuss first that if this system of tiering is feasible for cricket's existance or not?? u think the ICC is so stupid that it will take the system up even if it threatens Crickets's existance world-wide?? :duh:

pls dont talk stupid crap even ahead of everyone else in favor of this Elitist Tiering!!

And dont worry.. ur judgement is severely wrong actually... BD is not going to be in the 2nd tier!!.. take my word on that!
(now its your word vs. many of the BD fan's word here and all over BD!)

[vv_sunil]

Dear sageX

Don't you think you are being rude when you call people names and suggest that they keep their mouth shut?

Forum is all about discussion, decent ones. Please respond to the message and not to the messenger. Thank you.
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THANK YOU CHINAMAN, FOR YOUR GENTLE MAN COMMENTS

[Cricket46]

vv_sunil:

You may be crazy about cricket and be truly a Bangladesh cricket fan, but you fail to understand simple logic here. I don’t know if ICC will go for x-tier system, and I don’t even know where Bangladesh will be placed, but one thing is sure that they won’t be in the third tier because of their last innings against West Indies. That defies any kind of common sense. Just think about it.

Amit:

I don’t agree with your reasoning. Either you have become a die-hard Bangladesh fan or you are just kidding. If there are 3-tiers (which I seriously doubt) how can Bangladesh be in the top tier. Anyone who follows cricket will know that we are really the 10th team in terms of test match performance. For ODI, we might be behind Kenya, judging by our previous performance.

[ZunaidH]

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Amit:

I don’t agree with your reasoning. Either you have become a die-hard Bangladesh fan or you are just kidding. If there are 3-tiers (which I seriously doubt) how can Bangladesh be in the top tier. Anyone who follows cricket will know that we are really the 10th team in terms of test match performance. For ODI, we might be behind Kenya, judging by our previous performance.
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Cricket46;

Except for a few in this board, most of us are really "die-hard" fans of BD cricket. On your comment above, I fail to follow your reasoning on why BD should be in any other tier other than tier 1? Amit is echoing the point we have been discussing earlier. I want to hear your argument. So far, anyone who has spoken about BD being in tier 2 has not come up with a valid excuse to push BD down to relegation. Let's keep ODI out of the picture as that status is not discussed. I am sure many of us would like to hear your argument.

[Beamer]

Test cricket always had weaker teams since its inception- Steve waugh.

There is a voice of reason and coming from someone who is hundred Gangulies equal. All throughout history, there were cycles of strength and weakness among teams. Has more to do with generation of cricketers invloved. Seventies- Eighties were West Indian. Nineties to present ar Aussie. We are weak beacuse we are new. What was the point of giving us test status if you are gonna take it away in five years? To me 2-3 tier system is nice way of telling us that sorry, you are no longer acceptable. I think, there is too much cricket going on now, and this leads to some people crying playing lesser teams when they could be relaxing or shooting ads or something. ICC should do a better job at that. I like the IND-AUS series not having any one dayers. Pointless.

[Tokai]

other than aus, there is not too much of a variation between other team in strength. on a scale of 0-100, aus stays around 95. then, the rest of the team stays between 25 to 65. so, as suggested by others if there is to make 3 tier,
1-tier: aus.
2-tier: all other 8 team + kenya.
3-tier: rest of the world.

there is no other plausible way to devide the cricket world.

just think of it, the possible lambs who might get demotioned are bd, zim and wi. thinking of wi is just rediculus since they kept the strongest position for the longest time. whats the possible 2 tier then? bd, zim and kenya? isn't it too small a group? and who else is there who even come clsoe to the ability to play 4 day cricket (let alone 5 day).
also, zim not really a week team if it gets the real team.

icc gonna have a real hard time trying to figure out this grouping. i like the idea of putting ganguli and ponting in a seperate group of "super elite" and leave the world alone.

i don't understand this. why ganguli is doing this? is he just want to come up in PwC rating? since bashar is above him and also some other players of wi and zim, there is only one way for him to come up the list, get rid of some people off the list.

[Cricket46]

Originally posted by ghor_jamai
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Amit:

I don’t agree with your reasoning. Either you have become a die-hard Bangladesh fan or you are just kidding. If there are 3-tiers (which I seriously doubt) how can Bangladesh be in the top tier. Anyone who follows cricket will know that we are really the 10th team in terms of test match performance. For ODI, we might be behind Kenya, judging by our previous performance.
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Cricket46;

Except for a few in this board, most of us are really "die-hard" fans of BD cricket. On your comment above, I fail to follow your reasoning on why BD should be in any other tier other than tier 1? Amit is echoing the point we have been discussing earlier. I want to hear your argument. So far, anyone who has spoken about BD being in tier 2 has not come up with a valid excuse to push BD down to relegation. Let's keep ODI out of the picture as that status is not discussed. I am sure many of us would like to hear your argument.

ghor_jamai:

Let me say very clearly that I am VERY much against this tier system. But then if there is a tier system and say 8 teams are in the first tier (an assumption), how can Bangladesh be there? This is not a question of being a die-hard fan. That is all that I wanted to say. If I still failed to make my point then I won't try again.