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Old June 8, 2004, 11:01 AM
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Being disappointed on BD batting performance, I don't think we need a "regular" psychologist to help with what we are calling the "mental block." We need someone who can read "psychology" from a batsman's point of view. Since Nasser Hussain (former England captain) has retired from cricket, perhaps BCCB can entertain the possibility of hiring him as our batting coach! I am a big fan of Hussain because he can fight it out when it is difficult in the middle. This would be a worthy cause with a stiff enough challenge - fitted to Hussain only. Any inputs?
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Old June 8, 2004, 11:15 AM
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Well, it's not a bad idea, but then good players are not always good coaches.
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Old June 8, 2004, 02:55 PM
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Well, it's not a bad idea, but then good players are not always good coaches.
thats true, look at our own Dav, wasnt a brillaint player, didnt set the world alight but is a fantastic coach.
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Old June 8, 2004, 03:01 PM
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Well, it's not a bad idea, but then good players are not always good coaches.
...May be I have phrased it wrong. I should have said "Batsman's Psychologist" (for lack of a better phrase) rather than Batting coach. I wasn't referring to technique. I meant to talk about attitude that can be learn't from Hussain.
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Old June 8, 2004, 03:04 PM
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Here in Canada and the States, people pursue coaching careers at a very young age. Many never even play competitive games at all. The same is always not true for many cricketing nations. Sarwar Imran, Dav Whatmore and McInnes may be a few examples, but most coaches are ex players. I think it's time that youngsters start triggering their careers towards coaching cricket teams.
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Old June 8, 2004, 03:16 PM
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Nasser has been known to suffer spectacular and sustained loss of form himself. All other things being equal (unverifiable coaching ability), if we were to look for a former batting 'great'; one should consider Saeed Anwar, who as a specialist opener (owner of the highest ODI inning score), could probably work with our inconsistent openers. He is in a tabligue-ing mood (since the tragic death of his child) but, his batting skills/knowledge are beyond reproach.
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Old June 8, 2004, 03:23 PM
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Nasser Hussain is a newly employed Sky Sports Commentator. Seems he has already found his new job.
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Old June 8, 2004, 03:25 PM
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reinausagi is right. I like saeed anwar, and I think he will be a good coach.
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Old June 8, 2004, 03:25 PM
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Nasser Hussain is a newly employed Sky Sports Commentator. Seems he has already found his new job.
And.. his soap box. Opened fire on the ICC over the ZIM debacle within a week of retiring.
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Old June 8, 2004, 03:26 PM
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reinausagi is right. I like saeed anwar, and I think he will be a good coach.

here's a funny thing, if we could draw with WI in the second Test, we could hire Lara as our batting coach.
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Old June 8, 2004, 03:30 PM
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Default SAeed Anwar is unavailable too!

He would have been a good one to consider...but again he has a job too...I think he is currenty coaching the Pakistan U17s!

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Nasser has been known to suffer spectacular and sustained loss of form himself. All other things being equal (unverifiable coaching ability), if we were to look for a former batting 'great'; one should consider Saeed Anwar, who as a specialist opener (owner of the highest ODI inning score), could probably work with our inconsistent openers. He is in a tabligue-ing mood (since the tragic death of his child) but, his batting skills/knowledge are beyond reproach.
[Edited on 8-6-2004 by pompous]
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Old June 8, 2004, 07:43 PM
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In light of this one big plegue we have ( after all, we have advanced in bowling and fielding), I think the team should have a permanent batting coaching/counselling arrangement. I remember when Javed Miandad flew to Dhaka to help our batters, it was for one week only. The players had given great feedbacks of that exposure.

This is however, not a solution. High profile people on the go may not be able to help us. We need someone in the dugout (baseball lingo) helping our players, while the carnage going on in the middle. We need to use these 4-5 week to fully focus on the weaknesses, along with the help of specialized coaches. These people have to travel with the team, be there for support before, during and after every session.

Another thing that will have a positive impact on our showings: Get the team out there 3-4 weeks in advance. Before the Zimbabwe tour, we had a good warm up period, just needed some tough competition. On our next visit to South Africa or WI , I would like the team play a number of matches with the strong local/zonal teams before the series starts.

This batting problem needs a strong remedy, so, the management should take it seriously and fight it with all weapons available, 'til its cured.
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Old June 8, 2004, 08:23 PM
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In my view, the best coaches (and this goes over the sports I know well - Aussie Rules, rugby league and cricket) tend to be good but not great players who made it on hard work rather than talent - "battlers".

As examples in cricket, Dav Whatmore or John Buchanan are as good as it gets.

Dav Whatmore played 7 tests, while John Buchanan played a total of seven Shield games for Queensland.

They'd be the kind of players I'd look for ... ideally, bring them in to a club side to play as captain-coach late in thyeir career.
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Old June 8, 2004, 09:04 PM
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Well...if you are looking for grit and consistency, then my ultimate choice is Steve Waugh (Not Nasser Hussain or Saeed Anwar). No one in cricket history has more grit than him (no wonder he was called "the iceman"). However getting him to come to BD and work as a batting coach is another different isuue. He may want to keep his record unblemished...we may not be able to afford him...there may be direct conflict between Dev Whatmore and Steve Waugh as both are dominating personalities...he may have other priorities/obligations. But he would be a great asset for our batsmen..if he AGREED! No one can harden the fragile mental state of the Tigers better than Steve Waugh.

I cant agree totally with IanW that the great coaches have always been the lesser cricketers..its just that great players have seldom risked their records and careers on risky jobs like coaching. Becoz unlike as a cricketer, the coach relies on the players for success..which is not the same as doing it by himself. You can have confidence in ur own ability, but its a quite different ball game to rely on others ability for success/failure. Players who are naturally gifted may not be naturally astute at analyzing the game. So many great cricketers take the easier route of becoming a cricket commentator and analyzing the games rather than trying to change the fortune of one team....the team he coaches! That is why IMHO Steve Waugh is the best anyone can have...he is astute, he has more grit than anyone else and he is as much knowledgable as anyone in modern cricket about the opponents strengths and weaknesses (true he had Buchanen beside him). So Steve might have Dev beside him....I like this concept very much!
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Old June 10, 2004, 10:14 AM
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We can get Steve Waugh for one of those short one month coaching stints. Its short enough to prevent too much conflict between Dav and Steve but long enough to reinforce some steel in our batting. This should preferably be done before the next test series.

[Edited on 10-6-2004 by pompous]
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Old June 10, 2004, 11:10 AM
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Yes i prefer Steve Waugh on one ground... his presence being a huge encouragement for learning players like ours... thats a much greater impact than N.Hossain..

but one more thing to consider as well:
Cricket coaching and Sports psychology is actually a professional's job now.... if Great star's/Players could do the trick... we wouldn't hav sports-psychologists anymore.!!.. Even Great players, at times, do require professional help frm Sp. Psychologists!

so, in my opinion, if we hire anyone... we should be going for a well-reputed Coach/Psychologist... rather than a Player.
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