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Old June 29, 2004, 10:49 AM
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Default Candidate for Tier 2

Natwest Series

Eng vs WI - 147 all out (38.2 overs)

Eng vs NZ - 101 all out (32.5 ov)

Hope English are not supporting this Multi Tier system. If they are then maybe England should be in Tier 2.
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Old June 29, 2004, 10:55 AM
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ITS A GOOD POST BRO.....WE SHUD SEND IT ECB........
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Old June 29, 2004, 12:55 PM
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england should be in the 2nd tier

england is a cr@p team and it has been clearly showed.

if the 2-tier system will be put, there is no guarantee that any of the current "top 8" teams will stay as "top 8" forever. also, there is no guarantee that a 9th, 10th or a 11th team would stay outside of the "top 8" forever. it is cricket and anything could happen. maybe england could become no.15 after 10 years or maybe even uae could be in the "top 8" after 10 years. cricket has always been known to become a game of glorious uncertainities.

look at sri lanka for example. even they were a icc associate once and not one of the traditional test nations. sri lanka developed their cricket and got into the "top 8":, even becomeing better than some of the traditional test nations. if sri lanka can do it, then any other team can also get into the "top 8". zimbabwe is another team who could have got in there, but the ZCU. like sri lanka, any other team like bangladesh, scotland, ireland, uae, nepal, whoever can also improve their cricket and be of the same level as the "top 8".
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Old June 29, 2004, 07:47 PM
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The threat of losing Windies is huge. West Indies are a great historical powerhouse, for them to end up in the second tier somewhere along the way would be nothing but madness

Same goes for England, the inventors of the game wouldn't be kicked out of their own game...it's just not cricket

I strongly hope that there is no second tier

[Edited on 30-6-2004 by Habibul_fan]
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Old June 30, 2004, 12:06 AM
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AMIT:

England is a crap ODI team but NOT a crap test team.
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Old June 30, 2004, 12:33 AM
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This whole two tier thingy is crap….I cannot believe Saurav Ganguli was screaming for it..!!!!!!....I mean after all…They haven’t won a test series out side the subcontinent for wot…20 years may be…!!!..Or may be more…!!!!..In fact the number of tests they have won outside their country can be counted in one hand!!!...A team which has never even beaten Zimbabwe in their own soil in a test series is screaming for two a tier system!!..Isn’t that the joke of the century???…Its ridiculous..!!!!....One series victory against Pakistan and the Indians are starting to think they are world beaters..!!!!!..I mean..come on…For crying out loud…They have just beaten a weak Pakistan team….Wots all this fuss about…???....The Indian team which has been absolute crap for so long is finally starting to play some decent cricket..That doesn’t give them the right to think they are world beaters and force for some ridiculous two tier system……..Haven’t they taken more than 20 years just to win their first test..?...lol….Which means they had to go through number of generations of players just to win a test…!!!!!...lol…Next time Ganguli speak such crap he shud be reminded about all these things..Thank you…
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Old June 30, 2004, 12:40 AM
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actually a two tier system already exists - the first one constituting the test playing nations, and the second the associates. the icc should stick to this if they want the game to grow.
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Old June 30, 2004, 01:41 PM
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Quote:
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AMIT:

England is a crap ODI team but NOT a crap test team.
i thnk its true, which reflect their last series
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Old July 1, 2004, 08:49 PM
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After watching session 1 of day 2 of SL vs Australia, I think the question really is 'Who except Australia belongs in tier one' ...
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Old July 1, 2004, 09:19 PM
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India for sure and probably South Africa
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Old July 1, 2004, 10:43 PM
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The two tier system is a great idea brought forward by the ICC- For Me to Poop On!!

By the way, if it’s happen someday: you will be seeing ICC filing for bankruptcy in a matter of time.




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Old July 1, 2004, 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by Habibul_fan
India for sure and probably South Africa
why?

looking at the rating, india in 4 and 5 in test and odi. and other than the sole series against pakistan, what exceptional performance india has?

south africa? they can not be in the 1st tier because they lack the backbone. a team that always fails in big tournaments because they can't handle the pressure, how can they be considered really good?
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Old July 1, 2004, 11:18 PM
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India drew the test series with the greatest test team in the world on their own territory
India won the test series with the greatest test team in the world on their own territory

Just look at their team
Sehwag - Triple centurian
Yuvraj - Fine young latent
Dravid - 5? 6? double centuries
Tendulkar - Surely i don't need to explain
Laxman - Numerous hundreds against Aus
Ganguly - The weak link
Patel - Handy down the bottom of the order, lots of room for improvement
Kumble - 10 in an innings, 398 wickets
Aggy - Test century, can turn a match with fiery spells
Pathan - Outstanding against Australia and Pakistan
Balaji - Useless

South Africa will show their backbone at the champs trophy
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Old July 1, 2004, 11:55 PM
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the only teams who can be in the 1st tier alongwith australia r india and pakistan.

ind has perofrmed exceptionally well drawing 1-1 with aus and thrashing pak 2-1 and both were away series. ind also has beaten every team in odi comfortably except for aus.

ind has a 6-6 record to aus in the last 14 tests.
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Old July 1, 2004, 11:58 PM
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habibul_fan, nice post, but balaji is not useless. he has been impressive in the one-dayers against aus and pak.
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Old July 2, 2004, 12:12 AM
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Must agree with you there!

India is definitely up there on current form. They have a dream batting line-up, tons of experience and ability. The bowling is showing signs of promise as well. They have also become a very disciplined unit. After Australia they are the team to beat!




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Originally posted by Habibul_fan
India drew the test series with the greatest test team in the world on their own territory
India won the test series with the greatest test team in the world on their own territory

Just look at their team
Sehwag - Triple centurian
Yuvraj - Fine young latent
Dravid - 5? 6? double centuries
Tendulkar - Surely i don't need to explain
Laxman - Numerous hundreds against Aus
Ganguly - The weak link
Patel - Handy down the bottom of the order, lots of room for improvement
Kumble - 10 in an innings, 398 wickets
Aggy - Test century, can turn a match with fiery spells
Pathan - Outstanding against Australia and Pakistan
Balaji - Useless

South Africa will show their backbone at the champs trophy
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Old July 2, 2004, 12:55 AM
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ok, no doubt the CURRENT india team is doing good. question is, how long ago this started and how long will it last? since the 2tier system is as planned, will have a team switched in 5 years, u've to see the long term everage performance of a team. given how poorly india did even a couple years ago, i don't see a reason to mark them as a great team. sri lanka during '96 and on was the probably as unbeable as australia now. where do they rank today? in a real long term prospect, there is actually only one or two team. if one, its australia, if two, australia and WI for their such a huge dominance period.
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Old July 2, 2004, 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by Habibul_fan
India for sure and probably South Africa
why?
Because Saurav Ganguli demands to be so
and every Saurav-fan will blindly keep whishpering his words.. that's the way it is.

Saurav is currently being named as the greatest indian captain ever.. thats the way subcontinental teams are(sp. Ind & Pak)- one good series and every one become Gods for worship.
My strong opinion is that the much of the credits for the Indian Team's current performance really goes to the Team's present COACH.. but i never really heard of any indian or india-fan to mention about that.. the only name they seem to know about is SAURAV!

and yes... its only 2 or 3 previous series that IND has been doing well.. and they started the 'WORLD BEST' cry immediately!! Personally i am a great fan of players like Tendulker, Sewag, Yuvraj.. but i dont support this kind of mentality at all!!

India, as a team, is no doubt having a good form.. just one coment for an answer:

"FORM IS TEMPORARY BUT CLASS IS PERMANENT"

we hav seen their FORM... now lets see how much CLASS they hav in themselves..(and their record so far is quite dull)

[Edited on 2-7-2004 by crickethorizon]
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Old July 2, 2004, 04:51 AM
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Saurav is currently being named as the greatest indian captain ever..
Actually, I too agree with that. What has happened since he became the Indian captain is that we have grown a spine !

There was never much of a shortage in terms of talent (atleast in batting) but every Indian team that went abroad used to meekly fall away and die. It is the attitude that has changed dramatically since SCG took over. And for this, I guess he deserves more credit than Wright.

For his acts like taking off the shirt after the Natwest final or taking on Waugh, the rest of the world might see him as a boor, but for us he is a hero. Not one other Indian captain would have had the guts to do that. For far too long, we had been nice losers, for whom winning was secondary to being perceived as nice guys.

In the 68 years till 2000, India won just 13 tests abroad. Since Ganguly took over, we have won Test matches in seven foreign countries - ie, in all countries except NZ and South Africa. Probably, only Australia has a better record.

All this may not be a big thing in itself, but considering how bad India used to, it is something to be happy about



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Old July 2, 2004, 01:52 PM
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For far too long, we had been nice losers, for whom winning was secondary to being perceived as nice guys.

[Edited on 2-7-2004 by Tintin]
That was really funny but I agree with you. Being nice doesn't cut it in the world of competiors. You gotta level yourself up with your opponents both in skill and attitude.
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