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Old July 18, 2004, 12:45 PM
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Default {old thread} Razzak reported for suspect action!!!

I cant believe this... Razzak reported!
It seems that whatevers happening to bd cricket is happening for the worse... damn!
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Old July 18, 2004, 12:53 PM
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Bangladesh spinner reported


Razzaq made his international debut in the 2004 Asia Cup
Bangladesh spinner Abdur Razzaq has been reported by the International Cricket Council for having a suspected illegal bowling action.

The left-armer, 22, was reported by umpires after the Asia Cup game between Bangladesh and Pakistan on Saturday.

Razzaq has been referred to stage one of the ICC process, which means he can continue to play international cricket while working with specialist advisors.

His action has been questioned before by local umpires in Bangladesh.

ICC Match Referee Roshan Mahanama said: "The umpires were of the opinion that the player's action needed to be looked at.

"It is in the best interests of the player that this is done at this early stage of his career."


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Old July 18, 2004, 01:00 PM
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i know it was coming!
Fu*** Suspecter! I hope they go to hell!!!!!


I see too many chuckers in this tournament! I am not going to mention their name, but their are bunch of them! I don’t why the hell they pick on our boys!
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Old July 18, 2004, 01:07 PM
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It is really unfortunate but if I have not misheard then he was also reported during a domestic match and then cleared.if the board has followed the rules of legal action while clearing him then i believe it is just a matter of confirmation of his action being legal. thus it may not prove to be a major issue.
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Old July 18, 2004, 01:16 PM
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The only positive happened to BD from ACC trophy is gone!! It is really frustrating!

I read BD newspapers about Raj's bowling action and thought with Whatmore's advice Raj adjusted his action!! We need performance like Raj's...
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Old July 18, 2004, 01:18 PM
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I asked in chatroom and Nasif swore to me he doesn't chuck. I pointed out how Cricinfo profile says his action has kink but he told there's no way he chucks. Problem is, when it's your own you always overlook kinks. The same thing is happening at a larger scale with the Bangladesh team. They're just not good enough to play international matches against these other teams. But no ya'll think 2 or 3 tier system is a conspiracy against Bangladesh. Screw that. Bangladesh should either lose its international status in both forms of cricket or they have to play in the 2nd tier of the two tier system. I mean let them beat Kenya first for a change, I am pretty confident Kenya is a much better team than Bangladesh even now.
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Old July 18, 2004, 01:34 PM
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I was fearing this will happen. Be was always said be to chucking by the BD news media. So no surprise there.
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Old July 18, 2004, 01:43 PM
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I was also expecting this....

this may hamper Razzaq confidence ...

Let see what happens next.
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Old July 18, 2004, 04:10 PM
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Is there any info on whether Raj continue playing this tournament?
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Old July 18, 2004, 04:18 PM
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Default raj will play

the rest of asia cup...hes just gonna be subject to a lot of BS scrutiny
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Old July 18, 2004, 05:06 PM
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Hey rho, I dont think anyone here gives a rats [] to what you think about our team. We , as bangladeshis have a responsibility to support our team all the way to the end.. Did you ever see the way the Pakis or indians support their team no matter win or lose... Learn something...


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Old July 18, 2004, 05:51 PM
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I thought the action looked fine in slow motion. If razzak is chucking than Shoaib is pelting!
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Old July 18, 2004, 06:18 PM
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What about the Pakis (S. Malik & S. Akhtar)??? They chuck for sure.
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Old July 18, 2004, 07:10 PM
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haha rockpundit you're so hillarious.

anyways, Raj needs proper guidance and training to get over this thing. Rafique also was reported once but he came back and has a better record after his comeback! so Raj should be given the coaching he needs. Spinning is a nasty business and I won't be surprised if more of bd spinners are called at the international level for chucking. What surprises me and pisses me off at the same time is that despite reports that he was called several times in the local matches he continued to chuck and now has to face this same sort of thing at the international level. What were his coaches thinking that maybe international umpires won't notice?
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Old July 18, 2004, 07:10 PM
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If I were Whatmore I would continue bowling Razzak. If he is taken off immediately it will shatter his confidence, and make a comeback extra hard. Rafique did it but he lost out on a good number of matches. Besides I am confident he can "remedy" (if there is anything major to remedy) his action pretty quickly without losing his effectiveness. I was also under the impression that BCB had his action checked out using video tech. and cleared his action!!



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Old July 18, 2004, 07:16 PM
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pompous makes me wonder about the qualifications of the BCB people in charge of clearing a bowler's action!!!
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Old July 18, 2004, 07:27 PM
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I have said before, Razzak has an unusual action. Those who didn't see him bowling won't know what is going on unless you actually see him. I stand firm on my position that he isn't chucking. Umpires reported Razzak for further investigation into his action. They didn't report him as a chucker. It is a precautionary step as his delivery action is very unusual. The very last release point of his delivery is the thing that is unusual.

He will be cleared inshallah. I am not worried about it, neither should he.

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Old July 18, 2004, 09:20 PM
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It is our badluck that Razzak has been reported

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Old July 18, 2004, 09:30 PM
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pompous makes me wonder about the qualifications of the BCB people in charge of clearing a bowler's action!!!
Rho, do you have any idea about the process of identifying and remediation of chucking? The umpires/referee report a bowler's action without thorough investigation --- their judgement is mainly based on visual inspection. So their reporting does not mean a bowler is definetely chucking; it only means that his action is supect. Now it is BCB's (with the help of ICC) responsibility to correct his action if necessary or show the ICC that he does not chuck. Let's see how BCB handles that. And in the mean time let's not criticize just for the sake of it.

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Old July 18, 2004, 10:35 PM
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pompous makes me wonder about the qualifications of the BCB people in charge of clearing a bowler's action!!!
I am personally offended by his humiliating remarks about bangladesh. This is official complain to mods.

[Edited on 19-7-2004 by sageX]

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Old July 18, 2004, 10:40 PM
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you should remove the []

Avoid perosnal attacks
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Old July 18, 2004, 11:07 PM
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Dav said they looked at Razzak's action before WI tour. There is nothing wrong in it.
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Old July 18, 2004, 11:37 PM
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Well it was coming...And when I told u ppl that he will be reported even before the Pakistan match...Some of u even reckoned I was raising an unnecessary debate..I don't mean any offence to anyone here..Without mentioning anyone's name....I have seen a lot of cricket over the years and understand the game pretty well....So I usually don't talk rubbish...Anywayz lets look at the brighter side....He'll be able to play the rest of the tournament...I just hope it doesn't shatter his confidence...
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Old July 18, 2004, 11:54 PM
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Default Bangladesh Spinner\'s Illegal Bowling Action Reported

The ICC have confirmed that Bangladesh bowler Khan Abdur Razzak has been reported with a suspected illegal bowling action.

The report was made by the three match umpires and compiled by ICC Match Referee Roshan Mahanama after the Asia Cup game between Bangladesh and Pakistan in Sri Lanka on 17 July.

The on-field umpires were Brian Jerling and Gamini Silva and the TV Umpire was A Jayaprakash.

Mr Mahanama has since informed both the ICC and the player's team management of the decision, as per the ICC regulations governing the reporting process.

"The umpires were of the opinion that the player's action needed to be looked at and it is in the best interests of the player that this is done at this early stage of his career," said Mr Mahanama.

There is a clear two-stage process endorsed by all Test playing countries for bowlers reported in international cricket. Razzaq, a left arm orthodox spinner, has now been referred to Stage One of the process, which means that he can continue to play international cricket while working with specialist advisors, including a human movement specialist from the ICC panel, to review his bowling action.

A detailed review will be compiled by the BCB and submitted to the ICC within a six week period of the reporting. This will then be circulated to all ICC Match Referees and Elite Panel umpires for information and reference.

Stages One and Two of the ICC Reporting process are as follows:

Stage One

The home Board shall instruct their bowling advisors working with a human movement specialist appointed by the home Board from the ICC panel of specialists to review the report and work with the player to correct his action.

The home Board advisors, together with the human movement specialist, will complete an assessment of the bowler's action in accordance with the ICC's Standard Analysis Protocols, and submit a written assessment including relevant video footage to ICC within six weeks from the date of receipt by the home Board of the report. Any video footage taken by the home Board shall also be submitted with the assessment. The home Board shall provide its player with a copy of the assessment and any video evidence.

Throughout this period the player will be permitted to continue playing. At any time throughout this period the player is subject to being called on the field by the umpire in terms of Law 24 and the consequences of such Law must apply. However for the purposes of this procedure a second report may not be made until expiry of the six-week period.

A summary of the home Board's assessment will be circulated to the ICC panel of umpires and referees, within 14 days of its receipt by the ICC.

Stage Two

If the player is reported a second time the reporting procedure above will apply and in addition the Bowling Review Group will meet and hold a hearing to determine the legality of the player's bowling action.

The hearing will be held as soon as reasonably possible, but at least within 28 days of receipt of a second report .The ICC shall be responsible for determining the time and place for the hearing and shall ensure that the player, through the player's home board is given reasonable notice of the time and place of the hearing.

Throughout the period after the second report, and before the hearing, the player will be permitted to continue playing. At any time throughout this period the player is subject to being called on the field by the umpire in terms of Law 24 and the consequences of such Law must apply.

The player will attend the hearing. However, if the player has received notice of the hearing and fails to attend the hearing, the hearing may, at the absolute discretion of the chairman of the Bowling Review Group, proceed in the absence of the player.

The player shall be entitled to a representative who shall be entitled to attend the hearing. The Bowling Review Group will consider the following:

§ the video evidence obtained from reports one and two.

§ the relevant umpires' or referees written reports.

§ the home Board advisors' assessment together with any video evidence accompanying such assessment.

§ any further evidence that the player and/or his representative wishes to put forward in his own defence. This can include a written report, a verbal submission, any expert evidence and video evidence.

§ any written or video evidence that the player's home Board wishes to be considered on behalf of its player.

The player and/or his representative shall be entitled to question any member of the Bowling Review Group and/or any person called to give evidence in the course of the hearing on any issue relevant to the hearing. The members of the Bowling Review group shall be entitled to question the player and/or any person called to give evidence on the player's behalf.

After all the evidence and argument has been presented, the player and his representative will be asked to leave the hearing.

The Bowling Review Group will then reach a decision by taking a formal vote.

If the Bowling Review Group shall decide by simple majority vote that the player is guilty of breaching Law 24.2 he shall be banned from bowling in international cricket for a period of 12 months from the date of the finding, or until such time as the player has rectified his action to the satisfaction of the Bowling Review Group.

The ICC will communicate the decision of the Bowling Review Group in writing to the player's home Board immediately after the hearing.

Review of Bowling Action

The player will be permitted, under supervision of the home Board, to play in domestic cricket and the home Board shall be required to assist the player to rectify the problem with his bowling action.

At any time, but not less than 90 days after the finding or any subsequent finding under this clause, should the home Board be satisfied that the player has rectified the problem with his action, the home Board shall submit a written report together with any further video evidence that may be appropriate advising the ICC to this effect.

The Bowling Review Group, consisting as far as reasonably possible of the same members as the group which attended the original hearing, shall re-convene (either in person or, in the discretion of the chairman, by way of video and/or telephone conference) as soon as reasonably possible from the date of receipt of a report to reassess the action of the player.

The Bowling Review Group shall consider the report submitted and any accompanying video evidence and any other evidence the player and/or his representative wishes to put forward.

If the Bowling Review Group is satisfied that the player has rectified his action the player shall immediately be eligible to play international cricket. If not the ban shall remain in place.

The Bowling Review Group shall, at all times and in particular when reaching any decision as to legality of the player's bowling action, be obliged to have due regard to the levels of tolerance detailed in the ICC Standard Analysis Protocols.

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Old July 19, 2004, 12:05 AM
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Was Razzaq wearing full sleeves or half ?

Did you notice that these days most of the bowlers with suspect action (including one of our own) have switched to wearing full sleeves as the easy way out ?
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