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Old August 5, 2004, 01:50 PM
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Default Is Khaled Mashud the right choice for number five spot?

I think............ Khaled Mashud should be promoted to number five spot. Alok, who has completely lost his form, carrying the number five spot. On the other hand, Khaled Mashud has been doing good with the bat. He doesn't give away his wicket very easily (as our middle order batsmen are doing this). He is also good at taking ones and twos. Currently, Bangladesh desperately need a good batsman in this spot. So, what do you guys think?
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Old August 5, 2004, 01:58 PM
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Do you think Masud like Australian WK Adam Gilchrist?

[Edited on 5-8-2004 by Habibul_bashar]
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Old August 5, 2004, 02:24 PM
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No.5 spot for mashud? Not in my opinion. You need batsmen at 5 and 6 who can accelerate, can improvise if needed and generally are good strokemakers. I think Ashraful at 5 and combination of aftab/alok ( depends on his form and availability ) at 6 are more suited. Mashud however, in my mind can be a terrific no.4, a spot currently occupied by Rajin. Mashud is a grafter like rajin, can use his experience and patience to anchor the lower middle order. That means resting Rajin for one dayers? I know its a stretch. If we can treat Mashud as a genuine batsman, which he is, and send him regularly at no.4, it will be more beneficial to us. Then we can have two more regular batsmen to follow at no5 and no6. That still leaves us with five spots! We can take all five specialist bowlers or four bowlers and one all rounder. What do you think?
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Old August 5, 2004, 02:38 PM
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There was that ridiculous move to open the batting at one point in time with Pilot. Thank god saner minds prevail now and I think no.4 is a good position for him, i.e if Rajin can be rested. Other than that I have always favoured Ash at 5.

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Old August 5, 2004, 02:42 PM
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Not a bad idea, Beamer. I actually want to say that Mashud should be promoted. Whether it is number five or number four.
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Old August 5, 2004, 02:51 PM
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The best opner is (Rana and Hannan) they has make in opner pa......ship 105 runs. but the Hannan is out of team.Tiger In.....can open the (Ashraful and Omor)
Bashar is in 3
But now the U19 tiger also playing well.I don,t who will going to BD Inter team.
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Old August 5, 2004, 03:10 PM
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It's been obvious for a while that Mashud is a good batsman and should bat up the order. With the influx of part-time performers and allrounders such as Mushfiq and Sujon, Mashud has actually batted all the way down to 9 on occasion. At the very least he should be no lower than 6/7,as he plays a big part of the stiff tail Bangladesh has demonstrated of late.
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Old August 5, 2004, 03:14 PM
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I think batting at 4 may be an interesting move for Mashud! However, my impression from Mashud's game is that he is suspect against the swinging ball early on the innings. SO batting at 4 is the highest he should go. He is a great player of spin though and likes to use his feet and drive the spinners in front of wicket. Something some of our top orders could try and emulate.
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Old August 5, 2004, 03:25 PM
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Promoting Mashud at number 5 is more wiser than at number 2, where that experiment failed miserably.

He is Mr. Dependable for Bangladesh, so he can only impress if he is given the right platform, so number 5 spot for me seems like the appropriate platform for someone of that calibre.:tiger:
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Old August 5, 2004, 09:28 PM
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Default Moving Pilot up the order

If Pilot is moved up the order, let's say No. 4, I do not think he can play the same way. The mental state of a player is different when he sees his 5/6 peers have fallen, and that what probably makes him play focused. I remember one match in which he opened and could not stay for long or score. We can only push him up the order a little bit but not much.
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Old August 5, 2004, 10:28 PM
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Default dont move pilot

khaled masud should stay where he is now. he is not a front line genuin batsman and its been tryed before with him to play up front, he failed. he is really good at his position and he'll be doing his job from there when the team need him. even though the front line can never use the advantage, but it would be a great comfort for any other team to have a player like pilot at that position of the line up. then, the other top liners can play their natural game and can take some risk as they know that if things go wrong, pilot is there to fix it. well, it does not happen for us, but should happen. front line should do their job. even though i felt it many times, sending batsmen backward, starting tapash, it is not a real solution.
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Old August 5, 2004, 10:38 PM
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Ok people lets not jump to conclusions here. Hannan and Rana only performed well as an opening couple in one match so I dont think we can call them our "best opening batsmen" yet.

Mashud on the other hand shouldnt be pushed up too high because he is vulnerable to pace and swing. We need someone to fall back on when we foul up and Mashud is doing the trick for us now. Promoting him up to 5 is the highest he can go because of the poor staying power of our openers, no 4 faces the new ball around the 10th over.
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Old August 5, 2004, 11:16 PM
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Mashud is playing well recently, very sensible cricket, showing he is the most matured man in the team. He realises his responsbility and always try to do according to the situation demands. He is more concentrating in his batting also and developing a batsman-cum-keeper instead of a pure keeper. One should recognize his ability, skill and all of above his maturity to determine the situations and should be reciprocately rewarded. So, I think, he is capable of handling the pressure in No.4 spot and can bat with more responsibility. It should give another opportunity to have a pure batsman below him, who will be playing with lesser pressure than earlier situations and can play his natural game. Ashraful is the right choice there to do that duty.

Rana proved he is good in opening, whenever he got chances. He has the ability to stay on creese for a long time than others. The other side is that he is little bit slow, hence not suitable in slaug overs. He should be used as an opener with Javed and i hope, he can perform better there.
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Old August 5, 2004, 11:34 PM
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Ash used to bat in 5th. His avg was 15. He opend in Asia cup. His avg in Asia cup is close to 30.
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Old August 6, 2004, 12:26 AM
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Default Too Risky!

Pilot is improving his batting greatly! And the first thing that comes to mind seeing his batting is that if he is promoted higher up the order, the team will be benifited!

Pilot's ODI batting average:
Alltime(total 80 innings): 18.13
Last 10 Innings: 25.12

His batting improvement shows very clearly!!

But he is actually the Rearguard Protection of the order.. and moving him up the order is just too risky because of our top & mid-order inconsistancy!

Who is going to repair the innings after the very predictable early collaps if we move Pilot up the order??

mayb...his highest position can be no.5... but lets keep him where he is until our top/mid-order earns some sort of predictibility!!

[Edited on 6-8-2004 by crickethorizon]
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Old August 6, 2004, 12:57 AM
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But he is actually the
[a)Rearguard Protection

(b) moving him up the order is just too risky because of our top & mid-order inconsistancy!

Who is going to repair the innings after the very predictable early collaps if we move Pilot up the order??
Rearguard protection: By promoting him to top order, team is trying to explore more good possibilities. He become the rearguard protection due to the circumstances only, not because of the duty enforced on him. So some body should be in the lower order, probably Rafique should get ready to take this responsibility. Tapash and Razzaq are also doing good in batting, so they can also develop little bit responsibility

middly order consistency: all this move to get some consistency in the middle and all the thoughts are here just seeing the batting performance of Khaled. Keeping in mind that he batted well recently under pressure, we hope he can handle the pressure of middle order, if yes, middle order going to be in order

repair the innings: if v move pilot in top order, then we have 1 or 2 pure batsmen below in order him. If Pilot click n score some runs there, these batsmen can play their natural game without tense, which will be good at the end

i still hope, management should think seriously to promote pilot to No.4/5 spot

[Edited on 8-6-2004 by chinaman : Bold typing corrected.]
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Old August 6, 2004, 01:48 AM
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Good luck for him(Masud) in no:5 batsman.
Did Masud can be like Australian Wk...A.....
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Old August 6, 2004, 02:56 AM
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BD has a uniqueness that the tail can score consistently ( in recent matches ).
It's because of Mashud, Rafiq, Tapash, Razzaq and etc. and because of his position too.
I think its a great advantage for BD and will be very useful when top & middle order performs well.
I agree with crickethorizon and at this moment Mashud should stay where he is now, 7th maybe.
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Old August 6, 2004, 03:05 AM
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Top order can not make 50 runs in there own In.........middle order is the best order of bangladesh.Exp.............in WI and Asiacup.There are well playing in middle order.Lay order also playing well. Rafiq who has make in WI 114 in test.
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Old August 6, 2004, 11:56 AM
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I think Khaled Masud has the potential to become a No. 4 batsman. Yes he is valnurable against new swinging ball but practice makes man perfect and I am sure he'll fix his problem through playing if he gets the chance. Like Gilchrist (AUS), Sangakkara (Srilanka) also started as WK only but now they are great batsmen and then WK. Now infact Sangarakka plays as a batsman in the test team rather than WK. So I think Pilot cud be same for BD. Lets send him No. 4/5 and make the middle order more strong.

As far as the Ash is concern, I think he shud still open. He is our best bet to get a good start. But if Bidyut (Shahriar) comes back, then he & Javed can open and send Ash 1st down. I wud send Bashar at No. 5. So my playing 11 wud be,

1. Shahriar/Nafees/Hannan
2. Javed
3. Ash
4. Masud
5. Bashar
6. Rajin/Tushar/Kapali/Faisal/Aftab
7. Mushfiq/Mahmud chacha (if chacha plays he will go to No. 9
8. Rana
9. Rafique
10. Baisha
11. Nazmul/Tareq/Manjurul

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Old August 6, 2004, 12:35 PM
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Yes, that is a good line up, BD Tigers. But don't you think, Rana will be much better for no.7 spot.
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Old August 6, 2004, 02:29 PM
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Yes, that is a good line up, BD Tigers. But don't you think, Rana will be much better for no.7 spot.
Yea I was having hard time to put him in No. 8. He could open for us or go No. 7 & 8. See if only our top order clicks then we don't have to worry about who goes on No. 7/8. Rana should be played in the team only for his bowling and his batting is a bonus for us. In this team, we got 3 fast bowlers (Nazmul, Baisha, Mushfiq), 2 spiners (Rafique, Rana) and have ocassional bowlers like Ash, Rajin and even Bashar - which should be good enough.
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Old August 6, 2004, 03:52 PM
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ok guys, heard all the logics, and they are all good ones. but I'm gonna say something that most of you wouldn't like.

The reason Pilot and co.(tailenders) are more consistent is not becasue they are good batsmen, it's because our usual collapse,

***Takes the pressure and urgency off of the opponents, so they tend to get less aggressive and becomes complacent.

***Most of our opponents and us already know the potential match score in a BD match and thatís 160-180. So they donít actually put there foot on the accelerator to kick their performance up a notch.

***The initial pace and the swing isnít there anymore when Pilot and tail is exposed (unless we are facing Paki reverse swing, remember how our tail collapsed against Shoib and Sami). Since they know the inevitable they just play to their potential and score few runs without threatening the other team. Itís always easy to bat at the end when you can see the end, short term goals are easy achieve anyway.

Final Statement:

Pilot is perfect where he is. Most often then not a batman of his caliber will have hard time facing the swings and bounce and can also get confused how to play in a situation when the fate of the game is uncertain. I donít intend to take any credit from him as heís the most dependable player weíve ever had, but also I donít wanna indulge my self thinking that heíd be as successful up the order as heís down the order. If that was the case, then our tail-enders deserve to be at the top.
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Old August 6, 2004, 11:30 PM
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I think Khaled Masud has the potential to become a No. 4 batsman. Yes he is valnurable against new swinging ball but practice makes man perfect and I am sure he'll fix his problem through playing if he gets the chance. Like Gilchrist (AUS), Sangakkara (Srilanka) also started as WK only but now they are great batsmen and then WK. Now infact Sangarakka plays as a batsman in the test team rather than WK. So I think Pilot cud be same for BD. Lets send him No. 4/5 and make the middle order more strong.

As far as the Ash is concern, I think he shud still open. He is our best bet to get a good start. But if Bidyut (Shahriar) comes back, then he & Javed can open and send Ash 1st down. I wud send Bashar at No. 5. So my playing 11 wud be,

1. Shahriar/Nafees/Hannan
2. Javed
3. Ash
4. Masud
5. Bashar
6. Rajin/Tushar/Kapali/Faisal/Aftab
7. Mushfiq/Mahmud chacha (if chacha plays he will go to No. 9
8. Rana
9. Rafique
10. Baisha
11. Nazmul/Tareq/Manjurul

[Edited on 6-8-2004 by BD Tigers]

where is razzaq?
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Old August 6, 2004, 11:34 PM
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[ If that was the case, then our tail-enders deserve to be at the top.
the thought in several minds!!!!!
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