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Old September 12, 2004, 09:16 AM
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Default Dave Running Out of Ideas??

What is happening with the team for the last few monthes??
The team seems to be in a disarrey now..

Our Coach & Captains and the players hav been talking high supporting the mistakes and casualties of the team.. and considerably we hav taken all those remarks.

But Is Dave Whatmore running out of ides to get the best out of our Batting Capsule??

I'm sure they got all the tallents and the exposures now..
but for some reason the whole chain of batting is not even visible!
now we may blame it all up on the players.. but THE COACH must take a big part of the BLAME also... may it be the specialist coach WHATMORE or anyone even better..
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Is he Running out of ways to do that??

No matter how well he handled the case of SriLanka.. this is a complete different team... and it has to be handled in its own way...

Do we need a Specialized batting coach right now??
sharing the responsilbilities with Dave?
while Dave works on Team planning, game planning and motivation..?

whatever the problem is with the team.. Im pretty sure now that it wont go away all by itself... It must be solved with strong step!!

best of luck in the next game vs. WI!!
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Old September 12, 2004, 10:06 AM
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It's not a problem of Team or coach. It is the problem of our nation. As a Baladehsi nation (culturally, genetically, mentally, politically) we are not capable doing anything remarkable internationally except the 3 times champion in corruption only.

No body can improve the BD team and it will keep going its own way like what it is doing now. I personally believe what ICC is doing recently against BD team is not unjustified at all.
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Old September 12, 2004, 10:10 AM
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A full time psychologist may be needed for the team as the team seems totally devoid of any self belief in their abilities at the highest levels.
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Old September 12, 2004, 10:11 AM
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sigh! and it starts again. Please guys! keep your emotions in check. Judging by the quality of our U19 cricketers coming out I am pretty hopeful. There is light at the end of the tunnel. Today our plan completely failed. Batting first after winning the toss was a very bad idea in hindsight. The pitch was quite impossible to bat on early in the morning. Those who saw the match will concur.
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Old September 12, 2004, 10:27 AM
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Then there is not much point in wasting time here on this forum following a team that is doomed from the word go because of their "genetics", is there? After all, what can anyone do about "genetics"?


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It's not a problem of Team or coach. It is the problem of our nation. As a Baladehsi nation (culturally, genetically, mentally, politically) we are not capable doing anything remarkable internationally except the 3 times champion in corruption only.

No body can improve the BD team and it will keep going its own way like what it is doing now. I personally believe what ICC is doing recently against BD team is not unjustified at all.
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Old September 12, 2004, 10:37 AM
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may be what dav needs is a 1" diameter kunchi, finely polished, dryed with mastard oil in direct sun.
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Old September 12, 2004, 10:52 AM
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What Dav needs are better players - You can only do so much with the current crop of seniors. They are good but they are not Test class. As my father-in-law always says - you can't make a wall out of sand.

But there is hope - the new crop of youngsters do seem to have the talent to compete at the highest level - and not just raw talent, but also in terms of work-ethics and professionalism. Some credit must go to coach McInnes. He also has had time to mold the players before the our usual "weekend cricketer" attitude set in.

Poor Dav has to play with the cards he was dealt with. We cannot expect him to conjure up a Royal Flush from pair of Deuces.

We are expecting miracles. Howver, give us them a few more years and I think we won't have to pray for miracles. Our wins will be on the basis of our skills. Not God, not rain, not Mugabe.

Edited on, September 12, 2004, 3:52 PM GMT, by Zunaid.
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Old September 12, 2004, 11:00 AM
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agreed. but.......

how do u explain the sudden downfall in performance starting asia cup? starting from pakistan tour to WI, they have done a decent job. what happen suddenly that they went back to pre-whatmore era? playing without merit can be explained, they don't have it. fine. but playing without sense? where did they lost it?

Edited on, September 12, 2004, 4:01 PM GMT, by AgentSmith.
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Old September 12, 2004, 11:11 AM
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A possible reason could be the difference in the level of intensity and competitiveness between tour matches and tournaments. In tour matches, one can take it easy and pick up the slack in the next. Not so in tournamets where every match may be crucial. We also probably caught West Indies at the worst time in their cricket history.

Anyways, life stil goes on. We have a match left to play in this tournament. Lets hope we will put in a much better performance. Today's result was bad even by our standards. Cheer up


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agreed. but.......

how do u explain the sudden downfall in performance starting asia cup? starting from pakistan tour to WI, they have done a decent job. what happen suddenly that they went back to pre-whatmore era? playing without merit can be explained, they don't have it. fine. but playing without sense? where did they lost it?

Edited on, September 12, 2004, 4:01 PM GMT, by AgentSmith.
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Old September 12, 2004, 11:23 AM
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Actually Dave Whatmore have nothing to do. Our batters must have to do well. Dave don't play at the field. He shows the batsmans faults. But if the batsmans don't listen him or don't try to remove their faults, batting collups will be regular.
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Old September 12, 2004, 12:48 PM
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Default Goat to elephant

Wasting time is also our cultural and genetical heredity. All Bengalee/Banladeshi spends huge amount of time in Tea shop/ coffee house and other places for nothing.

Genetical heredity changes or modified through new generation. Dev might improve the quality of our exiting cricketers in certain level (optimum level). But he canít change a goat to a elephant my feeding highly nutritious diet.


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Then there is not much point in wasting time here on this forum following a team that is doomed from the word go because of their "genetics", is there? After all, what can anyone do about "genetics"?


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It's not a problem of Team or coach. It is the problem of our nation. As a Baladehsi nation (culturally, genetically, mentally, politically) we are not capable doing anything remarkable internationally except the 3 times champion in corruption only.

No body can improve the BD team and it will keep going its own way like what it is doing now. I personally believe what ICC is doing recently against BD team is not unjustified at all.
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Old September 12, 2004, 12:51 PM
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What Dav needs are better players - You can only do so much with the current crop of seniors.
... I do hope your comment is an underestimation of the current players... coz i strongly believe these players r very tallented and well prepared also...
:duh:
personally i am a very big fan of players like Rajin, Ash, JO, Pilot...

trust me.. they can do much much better than what they r actually doint now..

so far i can find two good suggestions here:

1. Permanent specialized batting coach
2. Qualified professional Sports Psychologist


I do think the problem of the whole team is not in their skills... its more in their psychology!!

no matter how much u speak of the new generation.. they wil also go down in the 'mind-game' within a small period after their introduction.. if we dont solve the bad patch!!...

Have u marked that both Rajin and Ash r promising youngstars... yet goind down with the whole team??
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Old September 12, 2004, 12:53 PM
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may be what dav needs is a 1" diameter kunchi, finely polished, dryed with mastard oil in direct sun.
dave can surely borrow one of these kunchis from a madrasha. cuz they usually have a lot of these stuff. and bangladeshi people we really need mair. mair ar upor kotha nai ebong mair chara amra kokhono amra nori na. dave probably never thought of this idea. i think if he implements this i am sure there will be a drastic change. and bd team really should stop taking their gati gushti when they go to tours. because this really has a lot of influence on their performance.
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Old September 12, 2004, 01:57 PM
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What more can Dav Whatmore do if the players cannot maintain their professionalism? I do not blame Whatmore, theres so much a coach can do, but at the end of the day its the players on the field that make it count (literally).

Edited on, September 12, 2004, 6:58 PM GMT, by Unknown.
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Old September 12, 2004, 03:35 PM
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today was just a bad day. it started off with a bad decision n ended up wit a disapointin loss. i m hopeful too about the next match. the u-19s played very well. nafis scoring 40 and nazmul wit some tight bowling. aftab got out on an excellent delivery. i wudnt blame aftab for that. lets hope everything goes well on wednesday
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Old September 12, 2004, 04:50 PM
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'You can't teach an old dog new tricks'

That phrase stands to explain itself, but poor old Dave has been tryin with all his intellect to teach our players somethign about crickt, but whether it is short-term memory or what they would tend to forget this every 2 or 3 matches. Dave has been trying to do and is trying to justify his wages, but our players are simply not proving that for him and for themselves.
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Old September 12, 2004, 05:03 PM
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I actually doubt that they pay attention to Whatmore during the coaching sessions. His success with the Sri Lankan team must be due to the fact that the Sri Lankans were willing to put to practise what they had learned while he was in charge. I do not see that happening with our Tigers. In this case, "You cannot teach an old Tiger new tricks"...


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Old September 12, 2004, 05:10 PM
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I agree...even at the interval there wasnt any signs of life in any of the players..but then again there wasnt any sign from them at all today...when we will see the sign only God knows.
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Old September 12, 2004, 07:06 PM
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I think Dave Whatmore should shave his moustache, that should spring up a new idea.:bald:
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Old September 12, 2004, 09:41 PM
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I cant agree on bashing the seniors of the current BD team. Jo, Chacha, Pilot, and Rafiq are the only senior players left in the team. Three out of these four players are the key performers of our team. I think we should stop bashing the seniors and instead use the 1" konchi on our utterly talented young players.

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Old September 13, 2004, 02:08 AM
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Ok so if they dont listen then bring the U19 team up and play for the seniors they will be willing to listen because they will all be starting and wanting to play well.
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Old September 13, 2004, 03:56 AM
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We all know Dav is the coach, but do we know how much power he actually has?

I don't know either. It's hard to know who actually holds the power. I am curious to know answers to the following questions:

1) Who is the main DECISION MAKER in Bangladesh cricket? How much influence does Dav really have?

2) To bat on winning the toss: Was this Rajin's decision or Dav's decision or someone else's? Who should make these decisions? Is this clearly defined in our policies or procedures?

Sorry that I appear to be talking like a solicitor, but now is the time to figure out who should be responsible for what.....

Such a performance after playing cricket for so many years is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. As a matter of fact I believe I could have scored few runs yesterday if I was given the bat...

OH YEAH, OF COURSE!! It's only a game.....

But looks like there is too much JOTILOTA with our cricket at the moment.

As a matter of fact, I am quite upset
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Old September 13, 2004, 09:15 AM
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I think Dav IS running out of ideas - with all the youngsters who are coming in, doing good for 1 year, and then going out.

Not sure which position Rajin is at this moment as there is one more match left in this tournament, but if Rajin does not perform with the bat, then he is in the process of 'going out'.

Mushfique is now openly called "GULU BABU" of Whatmore in both Bengali and English newspapers. I don't know if he'd be chosen in the WI match or not, but if he's chosen and doesn't do anything noteworthy, then he's certainly on his way of 'going out'.

Ashraful seemed to be in the process of 'coming in', but for things best known to him and to Whatmore, he is in the process of 'going out'.

Nafees is now definitely in the process of 'coming in' and so in Nazmul.

Rana is in the process of 'going out'.

Javed seemed to be in process of 'coming back in' - into the ODI squad, but I'm not sure how he'll do in the next WI match.

As there are lots of these 'going out' and 'coming in' things going on, any human being will run out of ideas.

My one advice (a good advice) to Whatmore is to come to this forum anynymously or in person whatever, and just hear our voices (fan's voices) and may be posting his views?

And my other advice (may be a bad one) to Whatmore is to "BELIEVE IN THE FACT THAT OLD IS GOLD" - for a change.
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Old September 13, 2004, 09:54 AM
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I know Dave is not like Greenidge, who openly voiced his concerns about Bangladesh, but at some point I would appreciate some cold truths from his mouth. On many an occassion he has taken the diplomnatic route. Unfortunately, I suspect he does that because the Bangladesh Media and more importantly BCB may not be capable to stomach some hard truths. Can't see any harm in being more open.
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Old September 15, 2004, 06:23 PM
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Dave needs a shave
He's good but should
Teach our boys
Not to play the ball like a toy
If we win
It wont be a sin
So get your act together
And PLAY BETTER!!!!
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