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Old October 15, 2004, 05:11 PM
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Default Shamsur Rahman

It seems that Shamsur Rahman is quite talented given the perfromnace against NZ. Has anyone watched him play? Wasn't tndulkar the same age when he got test debut? I know some people don't agree with fast tracking a player. But for raw talent there has to be some exception. Is SR talented? I haven't seen this guy play but those of you who have perhaps can shed better light.
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Old October 15, 2004, 05:51 PM
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I believe he is a southpaw. Genuine potential if that is the case and we need more of em.
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Old October 15, 2004, 09:58 PM
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he did good in england with bat. and if i'm not confusing with someone else, he's only 16. i'd not mind giving him a chance on another day, but right now, we've just given too many chances to new guns that has not been tested completely. it will be unjustified to leave them aside because of samsu now. he's plenty of time ahead of him and he's getting what he needs under mcinnes. let this guy finish his polishing before we pull samsul to senior team. let first consontrate on what we've already pulled out of u19.
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Old October 15, 2004, 10:04 PM
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i m not sure if shamsur rahman is left or right handed. but he is scoring runs. but he needs to wait and play in the premier league and national league. srilanka a-team is also coming to bd in november. he can play for the a-team. i say if he can perform like this we can put him in national team maybe next yr. but ritenow he hasnt played cricket in the big league. only a lil experience so we need to groom him the riteway b4 senting him to the team. inshallah he wont fail. he has potentials.
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Old October 15, 2004, 11:03 PM
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why not give him a chance to play couple of test to test his potential? If clicked it is well and good. Otherwise all the solutions are there for 4 years to develop him a big cricketer. he should get reward for all his good work. Over and above, Sachin played his first test at the age of 16/17, Hanif Mohammed played his first test at the age of 16/17, so why not Shamsur Rahman?
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Old October 15, 2004, 11:04 PM
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Edited on, October 16, 2004, 4:28 AM GMT, by vv_sunil.
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Edited on, October 16, 2004, 4:28 AM GMT, by vv_sunil.
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Old October 15, 2004, 11:24 PM
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yea but look at our team. we have ashraful who started playing at teh age of 16 md.sharif started at the age of 15. kawshik talha kapali all of em started at 16-17 age. but that really didnt help. shamsur rahman is good but he needs to prove himself for atleast one yr in domestic cricket a-team and under 19 team. now we have other batsman like nafiz aftab hannan kapali. so shamsur rahman can wait for now.
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Old October 15, 2004, 11:29 PM
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Ashraful also started his career at 16. Look at him now. There have been too many players who were entered into the national team just at the age of 17/18/19, and only a few of them had succeeded.

Successful players so far, after entering the big screen as teenagers or thereabouts:

1. Tapash Baisya
2. Mashrafee Bin Murtoza - but he's injured
3. Talha Jubair - but he's injured
4. Mohammad Sharif - but he's injured
5. Enamul Haque Junior - but he's injured
6. Hannan Sarkar - was 20, had a fair amount of struggle, and is still struggling - getting dropped and getting in time and again
7. Mohammad Ashraful - is he really successful? Can't say.

Fading away players:

Monjurul Islam Rana
Alok Kapali

Can't say on Nafees Iqbal and Aftab Ahmed - both are 19-20.

Rajin is the only player who did not get his debut at 16, rather he got his debut at 19-20 - he's again seems like a fading away player (has the chance).

Can we really afford to draft in yet another youngster in this list, in Shamsur Rahman?
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Old October 15, 2004, 11:35 PM
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I'm not sure, but I believe that when somebody like Tendulkar entered the International cricket stage, he had lots of senior players to help him, guide him.

Now the only senior players that we have, who are old enough to be able to guide youngsters are the following:

1. Habibul Bashar - facing injury problems right now
2. Khaled Mashud - wicket keeper, doesn't bat in the top order, and so therefore, he can't guide youngsters
3. Mohammad Rafique
4. Khaled Mahmud - whose place is under suspect, and is not in the test team
5. Javed Omar - currently he's in both ODI and the test team, but for how long will he be in the ODI team?

In the above list, the only player who can properly guide youngsters in the top order (as a specialist batsman) in both forms of the game is Habibul Bashar - and he seems to be out of first test through injury.
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Old October 16, 2004, 12:21 AM
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fwullah i agree with u somewhat but disagree with u mostly. yes md.ashraful is sucessful compare to bangladesh standards. when you said khaled mashud cant guide the youngster i disagree with you on that. khaled mashud should be a role model for bd batsman. eventhough he is not a specialized batsman and bats at lower order he scores consitantly. when the top orders fails it almost always pilot who bats to get a respectable score. cant call enamul haque jr sucessful yet. rajin and rana are fading away? a player doesnt fade away just bc he has one or two bad matches. this youngester mostly did well. but as for shamsur rahman he needs to prove himself more. we have enough youngster already. shamsur rahman mayb at 2005 but not now.
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Old October 16, 2004, 12:50 AM
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vv_sunil: by any chance r u comparing Shamsur to Tendulker or Hanif Mohammed already??

and fwullah is right when she says that even these young talents entered the team with lots of dependable seniors already taking the core batting load.. so the young ones could not only play without pressure but also could take huge guideline and experience sharing from the seniors.

Current BD team is in such deep mud that any newcomer will only be burdened to perform high and perfom high very fast and early!!
This kind of expectation is sure to do a lot of harm for a flourishing talent..!

So let them mature enough to take the responsibility first pls. We dont want to lose them as a result of bringing them in the team underprepared!

Edited on, October 16, 2004, 5:52 AM GMT, by crickethorizon.
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Old October 16, 2004, 03:15 AM
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on a second thought, i was wrong. coz.. current bd batting line-up is struggling and a new comer will find difficult to overcome the pressure mounting on him. the pressure will be on two ways, one is the natural pressure of a new comer, then the pressure of the team. it always seems that bd players are some what weak in mental strength (as seen in many threads), it is very difficult to think a teenager to survive for a long time. right, the chances are there more to finish his carrer within 2/3 years due to desperation of failures.

but who knows what kind of strength he has....., give him more & more chance in domestic circuit, with A team, etc nd get him matured till the time come for him

Edited on, October 16, 2004, 8:18 AM GMT, by vv_sunil.
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Old October 16, 2004, 06:12 AM
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But did those players of Ash and the likes start off as well as Shamsur has. Scoring 36 against a NZ national team is not a mean feat. Maybe he has a lot more talent than Ash and should be given the chance.
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Old October 16, 2004, 08:17 AM
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Watching Shamsu bat in England he did really well. He has all the shots and seems to have an excellent temprement. But i think he needs to play more matches and proove himself at domestic cricket, like all the BD batsmen my main worry is shot selection and Shamsu did get some good scores in England, 2 fifties i think, but he needs to go on and get those centuries as a top class batsmen will convert fifties in to hundreds.
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Old October 16, 2004, 08:53 AM
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bourny3 r u kidding?

Ashraful is the YOUNGEST test centurian scoring a 100 on debut in cricket history.
(114 vs. Srilanka in colombo in Sep'2001, at the age of 16 yrs 11 months)
Combined men of the match of the match was Mohammad Ashraful and M Muralitharan together!
The Match

Its one of the happier records of BD cricket.. u forgot this info?
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Old October 16, 2004, 11:20 AM
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He is a good cricketer. Hoping for a bright future.
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Old October 16, 2004, 04:00 PM
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the selecters has put alot of cricketers who did not prove themselves. performing well in one match doesnt mean anything. shamsur rahman has time so whats the rush. rightnow our battting lineup is the best that it can be. nafiz made his debut. aftab is also new. shamsur rahman needs to wait. but i hope the guy plays domestically and becomes a future star player. for that we need to groom him the right way. and putting him in the team is the wrong thing to do rightnow.
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Old October 17, 2004, 12:24 AM
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crickethorizon i do remember that. But what has he done since and what did he do before that match to deserve a place in the team. Was his performances as good as Shamsurs.
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Old October 17, 2004, 08:24 AM
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Yes, Shamsur Rahman needs some time before bringing this kid to national side.

He is good! Really good so far.

I can't wait ... can't wait...

What the [] , bring him on, just bring him on!!!!

(from impatient BD cricket fan)
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Old October 17, 2004, 08:33 AM
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Shamsu and Shariar Nafees are real talents, we should wait and see how they perform in domestic and BD A team matches.
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Old October 18, 2004, 01:28 AM
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What ever the selectors choose to do with these players I hope it is the right one. I dont know what the right decision is but what ever they do i hope they become champion players.
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Old April 7, 2009, 01:22 PM
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This was when he was 16. Now he is 20+. But the point is he has led the DPL scoring. I think it is his time.
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=7396&highlight=shamsur

A most recent telephone interview:

http://www.bangladesherkhela.info/in...&editionID=647
Translating the last question and answer:

Question: Now obviously your sight is to play for the national team. But selecting young successful cricketers in the domestic league like you there remains a risk. They can't take the heat of the international cricket. (under cooked)

Shamsur Rahman Shuvo: All I can say is that I am ready. Cause when ever where ever I played, I played well. Be it in age group or academy teams. And certainly no one will select me because of my name. They will select by player's performance. And to pick me or not to pick me, it all depends on the selectors. When they will think the time has come they will call up. My dream is to play for Bangladesh and play for long time.

He is one of the McInns boys.
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Old April 7, 2009, 01:44 PM
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He is one of the McInns boys.
man.. I wish Mcinns is back again and replace this oversmart Siddons. Siddons is good for nothing. He only knows how to talk and give us wrong hopes.
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Old April 7, 2009, 01:48 PM
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Can someone name all the McInnes boys?

Sakib, Nazimuddin, Aftab who else?
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he is very very confident lads........."All I can say is that I am ready. Cause when ever where ever I played, I played well. Be it in age group or academy teams. And certainly no one will select me because of my name. They will pick by performance. And to pick me or not to pick me, it all depends on the selectors. When they will think the time has come they will call up. My dream is to play for Bangladesh and play for long time"
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