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Old October 28, 2004, 12:50 PM
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Default Pretty 20s; Aminul Islam, The Zimbabwe Series & Winning Ugly!

Well, the defeat at the hands of The Kiwis was expected. But it was the manner of the defeat that worries me. The sheer inability of our batsmen to stay at the wicket was very alarming. And one canít help feeling that this team in spite of being talented just canít cope up with the pressure of playing international cricket. I always believed that talent is one thing & materializing that talent is a different matter. This current Bangladesh side is no doubt very talented but time again it has failed to deliver when it really mattered. Which means the side is not fulfilling its potential.

One of the main reasons for that one feels is that the current bunch of players havenít had much exposure at the domestic circuit & the lack of experience is clearly evident. For example, how can you expect a certain Aftab Ahmed to win you a match against an international side when he hasnít even played a match winning knock for his club side? There is no doubt about his talent but since he has been thrown right into the deep end, heíll probably get dropped unless he performs within the next 3-4 matches which will shatter all his confidence. So a 19 year old kid will have to take a huge step backwards even before his career had begun. I saw Aftab in the 2nd test against New Zealand & he looked pretty good in deed. But a pretty 20 or 30 is just not good enough at this level. There just have been way too many very pretty 20s & 30s by Bangladeshi batsmen & then they threw it away. It is mortifying to hear positive comments about a pure batsman who has scored only 20 odd.

Bulbul got dropped from the ODIs in 2002 & since he was my favorite player I remember almost all the innings I saw him play. He had scored 31 of 42 deliveries including 3 boundaries before being bowled by Razzaq trying to accelerate the scoring rate in the last ODI match he played against Pakistan. My question to the selectors is: If a 30 odd from a seasoned campaigner who could do it at the big stage & had done it before wasnít acceptable then how come the 20s have become so promising? Just because they are young? Iím sorry but I have to say that since 2002 we havenít been fielding our best eleven. The side that has been representing Bangladesh for the last 2-3 years has never reflected the real ability that Bangladesh possess. If we take a look at Kenya for example, they are performing better because they have been given the opportunity to play together for a good 7-8 years. So the player shortage for Kenya has really been a blessing in disguise. Even The Worlds best side would struggle if they go through wholesale changes let alone Bangladesh.

The critics of Aminul Islam compare his ODI average of 23.35 with the current players & figure out that he is not much better than the current bunch but what they donít realize is that it took him 14 years to play 39 ODIs! He made his ODI debut in 1988 in The 2nd Asia Cup against India. The current Indian team had a lay off of about 2 months & the whole team is struggling to the limit. Think about Aminul Islam who had to wait a good three-four years for a single ODI & then had to perform straight away! After gaining the test status Bangladesh had only started to play a few series on a regular basis when he unfairly got dropped. Now compare him with the players who play international cricket day in & day out & still almost all of them averages below him! There were talks in the forum about Bulbulís last few innings in test cricket. Well, he was first dropped after he bagged a pair against Srilanka both times getting out to Muralidharan (Do I need to introduce him?) & the decisions were doubtful (silly point & short-leg bat-pad catches). If bagging a pair was the criteria of dropping a player then Atapattu should be immediately dropped & what about Ashraful? He has bagged a pair too in the ongoing 2nd test, that too in one day, hasnít he? And then he was brought back for the West Indies home series for just a single test. Yes folks, not the series but a single test & he was asked to perform. With so much pressure on him he failed to deliver & that was the end of that. Comebacks are always difficult as even the great Tendulkar is finding out so to give Bulbul just one opportunity was sheer injustice.

Getting back to Bangladesh not fielding their best eleven, what a disgrace it is to see players like Alamgir Kabir, Ehsanul Haque play test cricket & Minhazul Abedin sitting in the sidelines(Infact not even the sidelines, he was never even in the squad!) But with our test status at stake we have to take some desperate measures. As we all know, our next series is against The Mighty Indians & if the World doesnít turn upside down we are more than likely to put up yet another dismal show. What we can do though is look forward to the Zimbabwe series & it might sound funny but we should take the Indian series as preparation for the real thing. BCB President Ali Asgar Lobi has already revealed that if we fail do beat Zimbabwe this time around then ICC will have to take strict measures so this really is our last opportunity. Now what Iím suggesting is a bit different. Since a lot of folks in this forum feel that itís not worth it to bring back the senior players & since a few of us feel the other way around. I would suggest the cricket board to organize three unofficial Test matches between the current national side & a team consisting Bulbul, Nannu, Akram, Mehrab, Naimur & company. Good 15 days of competitive cricket should be able to tell us what is their match fitness like, what kind of form they are in & more importantly who are really the best players of Bangladesh. I honestly feel this will boost our chances of doing well against Zimbabwe & the selection of the team will be corruption free as well as only the best performing players from the lot will be selected. And its not that this kind of a thing doesnít happen. I believe The Indian Cricket Board on a number of occasions had made up three teams consisting their best 45 players including some who had represented them before & made them play a tournament with the 15 best performing players proceeding to play for India. I feel itís a fair selection process & it will push the current national players to stay at the top of their game.

I reckon most people still donít realize how important this Zimbabwe series is for us. The future of Bangladesh cricket depends on this very series. Anything short of a convincing victory both in the test & ODI series will raise a lot of eyebrows. So we really need to pull up our socks & play to win. We donít necessarily have to look good in doing so. Because at the end of the day itís the victory that matters, no one will remember how we looked while doing so. The pretty 20s & 30s that our batsmen score on a regular basis will just not be good enough against Zimbabwe. We need someone to score an awful 100. Someone who will just occupy the crease, someone who will take a lot of blows on the body, someone who will draft an innings from the beginning to the end, someone who will take about 400 deliveries to reach hundred but will still fight it out in the middle. We really do need that certain someone against Zimbabwe. A few ugly hundreds from our batsmen will give our bowlers the platform to dominate from there on. Only that kind of an attitude will enable us to win & itís called WINNING UGLY.

Edited on, October 28, 2004, 5:52 PM GMT, by Shehwar.
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Old October 28, 2004, 01:34 PM
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...Now what Iím suggesting is a bit different. Since a lot of folks in this forum feel that itís not worth it to bring back the senior players & since a few of us feel the other way around. I would suggest the cricket board to organize three unofficial Test matches between the current national side & a team consisting Bulbul, Nannu, Akram, Mehrab, Naimur & company.....

Good writing as a whole..
But I do have a straightforward question shehwar.. Since we have been talking a lot in this forum about senior players who have retired already..

Have you had any hint yet that the BCB or Dav or anyone related directly to BD cricket is even thinking about bringing back one single player from the past?

Are they at all even discussing in their most casual times about playing Bulbul/Nannu/Akram/Athar or anyone else at all?
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I have asked this question few more times before in this forum as we so often discuss this matter of senior-junior ratio. But probably this issue(bring Bulbul back) is only existant in some writings of this forum/site... no where else...

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Old October 28, 2004, 01:50 PM
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I definetly think its worth bring back senior players especially in favour of Aminul bolstering the middle order.
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Old October 28, 2004, 01:52 PM
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I believe Bulbul had a chat with Whatmore before he left for Australia & it was something in the line of if he was needed & was doing well there he might be recalled..
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Old October 28, 2004, 04:22 PM
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Shehwar, very nice writing. it seems like there are two groups in this forum who are always fighting on the issue of Sr. & Jr. Just like Republican and Democrat (in US) are doing on Stem Cell issue. What can you do? If one doesnt research on those cells then they cannot find a cure of very ugly diseases. But if u do research then u r killing a person. Well our issue might not be as complex as this one..but its pretty deep too. I like your idea of having 3 teams to play each other. And yes India did do this before to select the players. May be 3 tests will be too much since we dont have much time between now and india/zim but at least have them play couple of tests.

The computer analyst (Nasu bhai) of the national team is my relative (not very close tho). I am trying to find his email address and when i do, i will ask the questions that "crickethorizon" has asked. Are BCB or DW really thinking abt bringing any old player back?
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Old October 28, 2004, 05:59 PM
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Getting back to Bangladesh not fielding their best eleven, what a disgrace it is to see players like Alamgir Kabir, Ehsanul Haque play test cricket & Minhazul Abedin sitting in the sidelines(Infact not even the sidelines, he was never even in the squad!)
A very nice observation - I liked it, but there's nothing that we can do about it; except to give veto to Alamgir Kabir and Ehsnaul Haque when or if they're selected from fan's standpoint.


It'll be nice to get a few games between our current players and former players in both 4-day and 1-day games, at least, it'll be nice to watch anyway.
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Old October 29, 2004, 12:06 AM
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minhajul abedin was called for the a-team in 2002 but he didnt except it. i think he thought he was 2good to play in the a-team. and plus minhajul abedin is 39 now. so bringing a guy back to national team after 5 yr and when he is 39 isnt smart. aminul should be allowed to comeback though.
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Old October 29, 2004, 12:15 AM
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The computer analyst (Nasu bhai) of the national team is my relative (not very close tho). I am trying to find his email address and when i do, i will ask the questions that "crickethorizon" has asked. Are BCB or DW really thinking abt bringing any old player back?
That'll be great.And I'd also like to thank everyone for the support that they've shown for my article..I really appreciate it...Thank u all...Tc....
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You do realise that Aminul Islam plays second grade for South Sydney?
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Old October 29, 2004, 11:53 AM
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Ofcourse I do....& I also do very strongly realise that The South Sydney District Cricket Club won't even pay a penny for the likes of Kapali, Sarkar & company !!!

PS: Just for the records...He plays first grade & not second for South Sydney along with Zimbabwe international Travis Friend.
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James, can you please clear it out for everyone what the South Sydney first or second grade really mean ? This may help you a bit to find the right answer:

The main domestic league (apart from the national league) is the Dhaka premier league, then there is the second division and the third division. There are also similar leagues in the other districts (Chittagong, Rajshahi, etc.). So, what is the South Sydey grade cricket like ? Is it Dhaka Premier or first division or is it more like Rajshahi second division ?

Here's a repost from another thread:
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About bringing back Bulbul and nannu. This isn't 2000 or 2002.

Take a look at this, How is bulbul any better then Alok or Hannan. Some of you probably asked for his head when his bat failed match after match:


Name Mat I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St

Alok Kapali 15 30 1 533 85 18.37 49.44 - 2 5 -
Al Sahariar 15 30 0 683 71 22.76 51.39 - 4 10 -
Aminul Islam 13 26 1 530 145 21.20 34.86 1 2 5 -
Habibul Bashar 30 59 1 2079 113 35.84 58.87 3 17 16 -
Hannan Sarkar 17 33 0 662 76 20.06 46.65 - 5 7 -
Khaled Mahmud 12 23 1 266 45 12.09 58.46 - - 2 -
Khaled Mashud 28 53 7 898 103* 19.52 32.80 1 2 50 5
Manjural Islam Rana 4 7 1 164 39 27.33 32.41 - - 2 -
Mehrab Hossain 9 18 0 241 71 13.38 32.65 - 1 6 -
Mohammad Ashraful 20 39 1 891 114 23.44 38.57 1 5 3 -
Mohammad Rafique 13 25 4 399 111 19.00 57.91 1 - 4 -
Mushfiqur Rahman 8 15 2 191 46* 14.69 28.29 - - 3 -
Nafis Iqbal 1 2 0 50 49 25.00 38.75 - - 1 -
Rajin Saleh 10 19 0 513 60 27.00 34.77 - 2 9 -
Sanwar Hossain 9 18 0 345 49 19.16 46.43 - - 1 -
Shahriar Hossain 3 5 0 99 48 19.80 41.59 - - - 1



According to cricinfo, Aminul DOB is 2/2/1968, that puts him at 36 years and 9 month. That is offcourse if his actual DOB hasn't been doctored unlike the others. A 37 years of age, a player who is playing in a league which is almost like the second division cricket in Sylhet or Chittagong can't be our answer, can he ?

Let's look at ALL of his innings. Let's see if there is any UNCANNY similarity with either Alok or Hannan:


Runs Pos Dismissal I R Match

145 4 caught 1 L Only Test v Ind in BD 2000/01 at Dhaka [1512]
6 4 lbw 3
84 4 caught wk 1 L 1st Test v Zim in Zim 2000/01 at Bulawayo [1543]
11 4 caught 3
12 4 caught 1 L 2nd Test v Zim in Zim 2000/01 at Harare [1545]
2 4 lbw 3
10 4 bowled 1 L 1st Match v Pak in Pak 2001/02 at Multan [1560]
18 4 caught 3
6 4 caught wk 1 L 2nd Match v SL in SL 2001/02 at Colombo (SSC) [1561]
56 4 bowled 3
12 4 lbw 1 D 1st Test v Zim in BD 2001/02 at Dhaka [1566]
6* 4 not out 3
21 4 caught 2 L 2nd Test v Zim in BD 2001/02 at Chittagong [1568]
1 4 caught 3
14 4 caught wk 2 L 1st Test v NZ in NZ 2001/02 at Hamilton [1577]
0 4 bowled 3
42 4 caught 1 L 2nd Test v NZ in NZ 2001/02 at Wellington [1579]
4 4 caught 3
25 5 lbw 1 L 1st Test v Pak in BD 2001/02 at Dhaka [1584]
11 4 lbw 3
25 5 caught 1 L 2nd Test v Pak in BD 2001/02 at Chittagong [1586]
2 4 bowled 3
0 6 caught 1 L 1st Test v SL in SL 2002 at Colombo (PSS) [1609]
0 6 caught 3
5 5 lbw 1 L 1st Test v WI in BD 2002/03 at Dhaka [1630]
12 5 lbw 3


Last five innings yeilded 19 runs, any wonder why this aging cricketer was dropped from the team ? If I was a selector and my oldest player was failing like this and my team was relatively young - i'd rather invest in future. Sure, there will be early hiccups, these players would take some time to grow into their roles but in 3/4 years time, they would get a world of experience and will be valuable assets to the team.

Just a break down:
Innings played: 26
Scores under 10 (double digits): 11 times, THAT's 11 out of 26.
Scores under 20: 19 OUT OF 26. We do have very selective memory, we hear the name Bulbul and the only thing we remember is that 145 in the debut test. In reality, more than 1/3 rd of his runs came from only 2 innings and 62% (327/530) of his runs came from four innings.


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Nannu is one of my alltime favorite BD players.Unfortunately, Cricinfo shows his current age at 39 years and 30 days. He hasn't played competitive crcket in two years and here's his ODi average, the last match was played in the 99 world cup:


Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50 0

overall 27 26 2 453 68* 53* 45 18.87 0 2 3


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I hope this puts a stop to the repeated calls for the return of these players. No time to look back, all we have now is the future.

Edited on, October 25, 2004, 8:56 AM GMT, by tehsin.

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