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Old November 10, 2004, 01:37 PM
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Default Questions to Computer Analyst of BD Team

Guys, like I said in one thread that I will be contacting the computer analyst (Nasu bhai) of our national team and see if I can get some insight information from him. I did and I asked him some questions regarding Rana not in the 2nd test etc. But unfortunately he couldnít answer as he has a contract with the BCB where he cannot write an article, interviews with media etc. and also needs permission from the team manager to do any of it. But he can provide me with statistics or other general questions.

So, I donít know we have any questions that would be in general category for him to answer but I am asking anyway. If any of you has any questions or you need some statistical data, please post them here. I am compile them up and send them.
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Old November 10, 2004, 02:38 PM
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But he can provide me with statistics or other general questions.
Try to get player statistics other than what is already there on Cricinfo.
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Old November 10, 2004, 06:31 PM
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Here is my question. I dont know iof it will be answered, but it cant hurt to ask...

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What kind of 'internal statistics' are maintained by the national team when practicing among themselves?

By 'internal stats' I am referring to things like "per cent of scoring shots in an innings. Or the 'Matrix' of stats that the U-19 team used.

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Old November 11, 2004, 12:59 AM
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Here is my question: Why on earth didn't we open with Ashraful in the ODI series against the Kiwis when he did so well as an opener in the Asia Cup ???

Edited on, November 11, 2004, 6:00 AM GMT, by Shehwar.
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Old November 11, 2004, 06:36 AM
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Here is my question: why cant our top order bat???????
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Old November 11, 2004, 07:59 AM
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Here is my question: why cant our top order bat???????
Bourny;

You have asked the 1 million dollar question.
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Old November 11, 2004, 08:04 AM
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My question is:

1) Does Nashu bhai do a simple SWOT analysis (Strength, Weakness, Opportunity, ...) before every series? According to my analysis, against India/Zimbabwe and any other teams that visit us, we should have a bouncy pitch with a lot of grass.

2) Why can't we play the moving ball?
3) What is the analysis on that?
4) What is the statistics of our batsmen playing against genuine swing bowling? I would like to know breakdown by each batsmen against swing bowling/bowler.

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Old November 11, 2004, 09:22 AM
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ghor_jamai Sir,
We can't bat on the flattest track on the world (Where the most genuine of all genuine swing bowlers struggle to swing the ball..let alone the moving ball!)...The more appropriate question wud be:

WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE BAT ? MOVING BALL OR NO MOVING BALL !!!!

Khaite dei na naki ?

Eishob cricketer ra ki jane je eder jonno amader ki shob ARTICLE gilte hoitese ??? Kothata banglai liklam jate shudhu bangalirai bujhe.

Edited on, November 11, 2004, 2:24 PM GMT, by Shehwar.
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Old November 11, 2004, 10:46 AM
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My question :
Why Shahriar hossain did not get any chance in national team?(Icc champions tropy and Nz series)(real reason)
Why he declared for his retirement?(real reason)
How long Faruqe Ahmed will be in the selector post?
Is there any chance for the experienced player to play in national team again?
What is relation between Rajin saleh and Faruque ahmed?Are they relative?
Why Kapali getting chance again and again?
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Old November 11, 2004, 11:47 AM
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My questions:
Why everybody is asking questions of sort that our computer analyst won't answer to?
Why each and every thread is turning into a place to vent our frustration?
Why every essay, somehow or other, is turning into an essay on river, (i.e. fire selectors, hire bc moderators, sack kapali, back Bulbul...)?
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Old November 11, 2004, 11:52 AM
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My questions:
Why everybody is asking questions of sort that our computer analyst won't answer to?
Why each and every thread is turning into a place to vent our frustration?
Why every essay, somehow or other, is turning into an essay on river, (i.e. fire selectors, hire bc moderators, sack kapali, back Bulbul...)?
Ur question is to us or our Computer analsyt?
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Old November 11, 2004, 11:56 AM
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mr-khan;

Your questions seem very much NOT directed to any analysis.

Shehwar;

I have already valued the question regarding our recent batting incompetence at a million dollar value. Otherwise, there is no answer at the moment. I beg to differ on the point that our batsmen cannot bat. The nervous collapse our batting begins from the point the top order begins misjudging ball that move in sharply or move away. Technically, I think that is a fundamental problem at this level. I am hoping Nashu bhai is on top of it.
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Old November 11, 2004, 01:28 PM
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guys, like i said, he wont be able to answer any selection process questions. I asked him abt Rana not picked in my first email and he cudnt answer that. the only thing said, there was a VALID (?) reason for that. I also asked him whether the BCB has any bar on Senior player coming, he said no. They just have to perform in the domestic league. Like bidut did one time and he was back in the team. Why bidut wasnt in the team for last 2/3 series, i didnt ask him that.
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Old November 11, 2004, 10:01 PM
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Nihi your question is the best. But what else can we do but vent our frustration. We are not celebrating the loses.

Mr-Khan Why dont you like Rajin. He is in a form slump but he is still scoring more runs than most batsman.
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Old November 12, 2004, 06:33 AM
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Mr-Khan Why dont you like Rajin. He is in a form slump but he is still scoring more runs than most batsman.
Bourny,I like Rajin only in test match but not in odi.After zim tour i did not see him scoring any run(any run means good score).This month our domestic cricket will start again and there we can get many batsman who are in form.We can get a good replacement of Rajin.I m still surprised to see as a vice captain.
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Old November 12, 2004, 06:42 AM
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With due respect to Nasu bhai I would like to know:

1. Why do we need a computer analyst for such kind of them that never learn anything?

2. Does he think his analysis improving any our team or individual performance?

3. Has he ever thought of resigning because of the bad performance of out team?
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Old November 12, 2004, 07:17 AM
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What does his analysis say about the board of director Arafat Rahman, BCB chairman Ali Asgar Loby, CEO from Zimbabwe, manager Abdul Latif, selector Faruq Ahmed, and other BCB stuffs? How much do they know about cricket? How good they are to be in our cricket board? Perhaps he just saves data of your players on his computer not any data of those deciders!

I wonder how bunch of bullshit got together and massed up the whole cricket things.
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Old November 12, 2004, 07:30 AM
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Does he use laptop or desktop computer? :duh:
What kind of operating system does he use, windows, Linux or Macintosh?

If I think of more questions i will post it later.
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Old November 12, 2004, 09:53 AM
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We can get a good replacement of Rajin.I m still surprised to see as a vice captain.
Mr. Khan:
One thing we really have to realize is that, we are not freaking Australia. Our cricket does not even qualify to be at Kenyaís standards. I think we will lose if we play Kenya now.

Having said that, my reaction to your quote is that, i think it will be ridiculous to drop Rajin from our team. Who do you expect to come in instead? Perhaps a hard-hitting newcomer who will be our next Tendulker!!(LOL)! Hmm... letís seeÖ Moniurruzzam? How about Faisal? Or may be Tushar imran?(bad idea~!)

Anyways, I think Rajin is an indispensable player in our team. So what if he canít score runs? He can at least hang in there. For the sake of our beloved cricket crazed nation, our players need to be conservative. I think Rajin has that mentality. So does Bashar.
As i've said before, we have to learn to crawl before we learn to walk....

Edited on, November 12, 2004, 2:54 PM GMT, by Mon.
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Old November 12, 2004, 11:58 AM
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I completely agree with you Mr-Khan. Thanks that somebody brought this issue up, which I talked about in the chatroom during the ODIs against NZ.

I am also a Rajin fan in test cricket. He has 7 or 8 (may be more) 40s there and I think he will be able to convert those 40s to a bigger 80s 90s 100 soon.
But I didn't see any recent good score from him in ODI. He always gets out very cheaply and the team takes the early pressure.

I wonder why bd team management only thinks Chacha is the only difference between a test team and the ODI team. I think Rajin is our test specialist player. If we look into Australia team (BCB's role model)- the players like Mark Taylor and Micheal Slater didn't get enough chances in ODIs but they were great players in tests. And players like Bevan, Symonds don't get chances in tests but they are great ODI player. There are more examples like this in every teams. Some one might argue that we are not Australia, I agree, but I strongly beleive that the team management should understand that not all of our players are tuned to both versions of cricket.

Another example is Hannan Sarker. He failed miserably in last few test matches and our selectors dropped him from ODI team as well. They didn't think that ODI and Test are different games and shouldn't be judged with the performance of only one. Hannan's last ODI performances were very good.

Also Al-Shahriar was dropped sometime ago from both ODI and test teams by judging from his ODI performance. But his test performance was very good (better than anybody in the current team by looking into last 10 matches played).

I don't know if Nasu bhai can convey the fan's ideas, thoughts to the selectors or not. If he can, I would ask him to tell the selectors to look at players performances separately in ODI and tests before selecting both the teams.

Also I noticed that in ODI our batsmen are lacking the ability of rotating the strike and thats the reason sometime we cannot even come to close of the target score like what happened in 3rd ODI against NZ. I wonder is there any coaching done in this area.

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Old November 12, 2004, 12:20 PM
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some very interesting discussion, not really related to the original post, but never the less.

There are a couple of issues that i would like to comment on. Selection in ODI vs Test teams. Reference his made in the posts to Australia selecting different players for different teams, this was only able to be done as the pool of players who were performing exceptiionally well in each type of game was quite big. This allowed Australia to leave out some very good players in the likes of Taylor and Slater and replace them with players who were better in ODI cricket. You will often see some changes in most teams for the ODI's and the general change is to drop a strike bowler and bring in a bowling allrounder who adds some depth to your batting. This makes sense as the name of the game in ODI cricket is containment, bowling tight and restricting scoring. Also taking the pace off the ball is anadvantage in ODI cricket that is not in Test cricket. Hence a player like Chris Harris is a good bowler in ODI cricket, but doesn't get a run in the Tests.

Back to Bangladesh though, i don't think we are in a strong enough position to have many changes. There simply are not enough players who will be competitive at the international cricket in either form of the game to change the team much.

The second point i would like to make is that, the gap between first class cirkcet in Bangladesh, or premier league or corporate league (even the 50 over format) is massive. There is no other way to describe it. Hence it is not as easy as just selecting the players who make some runs in domestic cricket and be confident they will handle the next level. There are many other things to take into account, particularly in our situation, where we are building a team, that will take time to be successful. There is no point selecting a team now, hoping to win the next match, the thinking needs to be longer term then that.

I know the Australia team are already preparing and picking and dropping players now that they think wil play in the 2007 World Cup. I don't know if our selection panel is think that far ahead or not, i would like to think they are. That would be a realist aim for our team, a credible performance in that tournament. It would be great if it happened consistently before that, but we have to be realistic and realise how big the void is between Associate countries and full member countries. Evidence of this is that Andy Blignaught who is now in Australia trying to play for Tasmania has been dropped from the Tasmanian team on form. and he was one of Zimb's better players.
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Old November 12, 2004, 12:30 PM
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Further evidence that the short term solution is not always the best solution: Why would the Australia selectors not pick Stuart Magill to go to India. With all due respect to Cameron White and Nathan Hauritz, Magill is a far better bowler right now and has an excellent record? However, you can see the thinking of the selectors and it makes sense, Magill is a similar age to Warne (unlucky for Magill), so there is no point continuing to pick him, as they will both retire at a similar time, there is a need to bring some through to replace Warne/ Magill in 3 or 4 years time, so the process starts now. So that when the time comes, for Warne to retire, you have a 26 27 year old who has toured, all test countries, played probably 15 tests though injury or turning wickets who is closer to being ready to step up and do the job.

There when you sit down to select the Bangaldesh team in your lounge chairs at home, or by the computer. Would you pick player "X' cause he has made afew runs in domestic cricket, might get you a 30 or 40 in a test, or do you pick player "Y" who demonstrates many characteristics you are looking for to build a team around, still hasn't really settled in to test cricket or odi cricket, but you can see there is something to work with, he might only make 20 or 30 at the moment, but you can see or sense, that in two or three years time, he will make 100's for you, where as player "X" will still be making 30 or 40, becuase he is not all that keen to get an better, he is happy with 30 or 40 that keeps him in the team for next time, but still doesn't win you any games. Just something to think about, hopefully some of you sit back and think about how difficult the selectors job is, there are so many different factors to consider and ways in which you can select a team. So many different reasons for picking teams depending on what your aim is, short term, long term, reward for performances or based on potential, which is right, which is wrong? Who knows!!
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Old November 12, 2004, 01:51 PM
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Good insight from the Coach. I liked his thinking regarding the comparison between a 30 scoring league player vs a younger player who will in time produce. I agree, the upside is much more with the likes of Aftab, Nafis in the mix. Once they have cracked into the side, you have no option but to stick to them, hoping they will become good players in three to four years time. Simmilarly, we need to do away with players like mahmud, who is on the decline and his inclusion in the team won't in any way decide the outcome of a match in our favor. So, its clear. Fill his position with a younger all rounder with an eye on the future and the world cup ( aftab maybe ). I really think, the future of our team lays with the current U-19 crops including Aftab, Nafis and Nazmul. First of all, they had better start to their career under the tutelage of coach Mcinnes who I pin in as our next head coach sometime in the future. These players are young, coachable and most importantly didn't grow up in a losing environment. They have won their shares of games, in their level, against almost every side they played against. So, they have won when they competed unlike the current older crops of national players who have lost almost every game they have played. The culture of losing is a constant with them ( though I am afraid for Nafis and Aftab now that they are a part of that team ). And, I don't blame our seniors. I don't fault them for not winning. They try and try but on ability alone, they are far behind their international counterparts. The ones currently playing now are easily the best available in the country. We have seen the likes of Al-shariar and Sanwar. They have nothing more to offer. Like the Coach said, they might score an occassional 30 or 40 and be contempt with that but if we are to really move ahead, we need not recall them for a short term fix but instead go ahead with the existing plan of fusing a few younger player here and there with an eye on the future. Which will serve us right. I must say one thing at the end though. Getting a nod in the national team has been way too easy. Once we bring someone, we are also quick to discard them. I hope, we stop that practice.
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Old November 12, 2004, 08:44 PM
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Excellent observations from our U-19 coach. Unfortunately, in our case, all calculations of long-term vs short-term becomes a moot point as soon as our batsmen score several consecutive scores under 10.

It is impossible to ignore the temptation to drop a player once he produces a string of bad scores. This is not to say that the selector's actions are justified. At the end of the day, if the players fail to make an impression, the selectors can make all the plans in the world - nothing will come off it.
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Most questions have been asked simply to vent the frustration - no doubt

yo coach...looks like u don't give a damn abt ppl who cont care to work hard or improve themselves - no matter how good they are...that's y u identified that six feet four inches tall guy (forgot his name) as a lazy butt a couple of months ago...hmmm...kool stuff
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