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Old February 14, 2005, 11:42 AM
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Default What should Bangladesh do oo earn England\'s respect?

Of late, some articles on BBC have been very dismissive about Bangladesh. It is obvious that not everyone in England is looking with a very keen interest to this series. It is almost as if it is taken for granted that it's gonna be a one-sided affair, a steam-roll for the english team.

On the other hand, those who have followed BD cricket more closely wouldn't have failed to notice that the BD team a fortnight back is different in all aspects from the BD teams of the past. Many things have changed. For example, there doesn't seem ANYONE in the abtting line-up struggling for runs or form. They have all had atleast one decent and noteworthy inning and have looked in touch. The bowling looks more than decent with exploits of Enamul Haque and Rafique. Given the technique of English batsman against spin, the two spinners between them pose a serious threat. The same holds true for all teams to a varying degree. In Mashrafee, there is a good bowling all-rounder. He should definitely find English conditions to his liking.

In short, BD team seems well equipped to meet the English challenge. Expect a series or test win may be a little too much, but how about giving the English team a run for their money?

What kind of performance would BD team have to come up with, to earn the respect of the English team and it's fans?
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Old February 14, 2005, 11:49 AM
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WHITE SKIN bd and ZIM needs white skin to get their respect.. so who cares what they think....
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Old February 14, 2005, 11:52 AM
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>>> What kind of performance would BD team have to come up with, to earn the respect of the English team and it's fans?

have to beat them within three days in both tests

Edited on, February 14, 2005, 4:53 PM GMT, by sports_fan_bd.
Reason: added number of tests
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Old February 14, 2005, 12:09 PM
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I guess be competitive throughout the tour.

I just know it for sure that even if we don't compete all the matches, if we bat first and post a decent total on the board, and the wickets assisting our bowlers - you never know what might happen.

Here is my dream in the extreme - beat Australia in our first One Day game and the English media will start :embaressed: praising us from that very moment

Honestly speaking, we should not worry about who is saying what - we have to show some positive cricket, that's all.

On a more selfish note - it may turn out that a few younger members of our team might get an invitation or two to play for the major English counties in the next season.
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Old February 14, 2005, 12:11 PM
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there's nothing they can do. no matter how bad we beat them, they (and the rest of the world, for that matter) will find excuses in attempt to demean our achievements, let alone what will happen when we lose to them even by a small margin.
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Old February 15, 2005, 07:40 AM
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there's nothing they can do. no matter how bad we beat them, they (and the rest of the world, for that matter) will find excuses in attempt to demean our achievements, let alone what will happen when we lose to them even by a small margin.
don't be so depressive, ATMR. but somehow your statement is correct and this is due to the bad image of bangladesh overall (political unrest, no. 1 in corruption, poverty, yearly flood news in the world medias etc.). so we all - not only the cricketers - have to do well in all aspects of life and follow the good steps of other neighbouring nations such as india or china who have also struggled somehow like us not before a long time and now well respected in sport, business etc.
back to our tour in england: we have to be fighter in each and every game and in each and every session of each game regardless who is our opponent and the positiv response from the world media will come automatically.
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Old February 15, 2005, 08:05 AM
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I'm very positive that BD will do great in English condition. After superb performance against Inida and Zim in the recent time. The tigers will not give up a fight aganist England and Aus. Somthing unexpected result might happen.
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Old February 15, 2005, 08:54 AM
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I think most important thing is to be competative consistantly. If we give them a good fight in one game and next one we lose big than everyone'll say, 'same old Bangladesh'. These has to be a positive graph as well, improve with each game.
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Old February 15, 2005, 09:52 AM
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I think we have to at least draw the series to gain some respect. Any type of loss (even 1 run or 1 wicket) will not work.
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Old February 15, 2005, 10:13 AM
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The question was "What should Bangladesh do to earn England's respect?"

Despite every odd thing against us (as expressed by everybody in the posts), I believe Bangladesh will earn respect of the England Team, their fans and their media, if we really play well and consistently and give the England team some scares in some sessions or some days.
Everybody remembers our first tour to Australia, and how hostile was the media. There were suggestions to end the test in one day and let BD have the real taste of test against the champions. But BD boys played well in the first few sessions and everything was calm. We did not win those matches, but we earned respect with a genuine fight.
Here in this England tour it should be same. If we really do well (what we should) and consistently; we shall earn respect from every corner.

So, everything is depending upon our players, how they are going to perform.
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Old February 15, 2005, 10:15 AM
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England's respect? Man! only a few years back England was the laughing stock of world cricket. I remember a comment after a England-Zimbabwe series where after drawing the first test the then English coach David Loyd boasted "we freaking murdered them"..............................That remained a joke for quite some time.

If we win then "England was poor"
If we loose marginally "England was complacent"
If we loose by a big margin "Waste of time"
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Old February 15, 2005, 12:02 PM
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The question was "What should Bangladesh do to earn England's respect?"

Despite every odd thing against us (as expressed by everybody in the posts), I believe Bangladesh will earn respect of the England Team, their fans and their media, if we really play well and consistently and give the England team some scares in some sessions or some days.
Everybody remembers our first tour to Australia, and how hostile was the media. There were suggestions to end the test in one day and let BD have the real taste of test against the champions. But BD boys played well in the first few sessions and everything was calm. We did not win those matches, but we earned respect with a genuine fight.
Here in this England tour it should be same. If we really do well (what we should) and consistently; we shall earn respect from every corner.

So, everything is depending upon our players, how they are going to perform.

Yes I agree. But remember the last time We played England In Bangladesh? We did give them a 'scare' or two, at least in the first test. But this time aroung we have show that we've improve and convert those scare into real chances.
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Old February 15, 2005, 12:04 PM
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I don't want the English to respect us...I want them to FEAR us.
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Old February 15, 2005, 12:09 PM
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FEAR? Hmm, lets a find a bowler with 200 MPH bowling speed, he will drive all out of England
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Old February 15, 2005, 12:23 PM
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I think this line of thought is counter-productive. What is respect if it is not accompanied by results? We are playing for ourselves and not for others. We should be our own biggest critics. Why should we be satisfied merely because some other nation shows us respect? Does this mean that it is ok to lose games as long as the performance was "respectable" in the eyes of the English (or any body else for that matter)?

We should not rest until we accomplish tangible results. Get positive results and the respect will take care of itself.
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Old February 15, 2005, 02:42 PM
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To be honest, Bd still hasnt done anything so that cricket world will take notice. A one off win against India or a test series win against a weak Zim side doesnt prove much.

For really making the mark, Bd has to do something against stronger opposition, the only really good performances in test matches was against WI and Pakistan in one test. But they have to do these consistently. Even though they loss both tests against England they should make sure, they have fought well.

Cricket world is not really racist, they just need consistent performance to recognize a team/player. you dont need a read an article to know how good tendulkar or lara is, when you see them play you automatically know it in the back of your mind. Bd players bat and ball needs to speak and speak consistently.
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Old February 15, 2005, 02:57 PM
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Lords has just been renovated I hear. A volley of Sixes by Rafiq and some damage to the ornate plasterwork should do the trick. It will be remembered.
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Old February 15, 2005, 03:46 PM
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England will begin the way it always does.

1. A long list of injuries will start emerging in the English press. This is done as a safety net, in case there is a dramatic failure.

2. England will start crying about being in poor shape with injuries and unavailabilities of its best players. This will go on for about 2 weeks.

3. Next, they will put up a mock fight in the practice match, if any, just to throw us off. They will make some of our players look good intentionally. The match will be a draw, where they will intentionally make us look competitive. They do it as part of their strategy to create a false sense of security for our team.

4. Next, Vaughn will give his "Aside from a Whitewash, we expect our men to fine tune themselves for the next ever-important series " statement to the press.

5. The series will start. The English press will cover the matches as if England alone is taking the field against an invisible opponent.

6. Any anemic, "slower-than-molasses-in-January" type fifties by the English batsmen will take front page banner headlines.

7. Any "unexpected" failure, snafu will be squarely blamed on their injuries, bad luck, weather, stock market, the Haley's comet, El Nino, umpiring and unfair play by the opponent (not in that order). In case of an accidental defeat, "We just let them do this to us" would be the dominant theme in the press for the following weeks.

8. Any new records by an "Englishman" will be immediately rewarded by bringing the queen to the field for awarding knighthood to the player in mid-game. The players, umpires, groundsmen, referee and media will be instructed to call him "Sir Pietersen" (ok, ok that was too obvious) at all times.

9. An upcoming rookie English sportswriter will post a 10-line consolation column in a second-string publication for us. We at BC will find it, open a thread about it and will discuss it for weeks while making excessive use of the thumbs up emoticon.

Look, realistically, we need a Test draw and at least one ODI out of this series. Not for their respect, but just to keep our learning curve in the right direction.
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Old February 15, 2005, 04:04 PM
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LOL Billah!
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