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Old March 31, 2005, 01:06 AM
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Most of us had assumed that the BCB would follow the current practice of touring parties to pick two different sides for a tour, one for the Test series and one for the ODI series, with the necessary players being exchanged when one part of the tour is over and the oher is about to commence. However, it appears that the BCB will pick just one squad for the England tour that will play in the Tests and the ODIs against England and Australia.

If two squads were to be picked, team selection would have been a relatively easy matter. Out of the 20 in the preliminary squad, Monir, Raj, Tushar and Mahmud would have missed out for the Test series, but Tushar and Mahmud would then join up with the team for the ODI series while Javed Omar, Shahadat Hussain and Talha Jubair would be going home. It would have made sense, given that there is no point taking Golla, Rajib and Talha around with the team for the ODIs when they have almost no chance of being in a playing XI. Would have cost the BCB two extra tickets to fly Mahmud and Tushar in midway, but I don't think the BCB is wanting for funds.

Anyway, since it does seem like there will be one squad of 16, who among the bowlers should they take and who has to miss out? Out of the squad of 16, there will be 7 specialist batsmen, the six that played in the Tests against Zimbabwe and one out of Shahriar Nafees and Tushar Imran. Also, Rafique, Enamul Jnr, Rana and Khaled Mashud are certainties for the tour. Thats 11 players. That leaves room for five pacers in the squad.

Mashrafe and Taposh will board the plane for England. I believe Shahadat Hussain Rajib has a very good chance as well. He is young, tall and fast, played in England last year and impressed on the recent tour of Zimbabwe with Bangladesh A. If now isn't the time to reward him with a Test tour, I don't know when is! I would pick him as the third pacer. That leaves Talha Jubair, Nazmul Hussain and Khaled Mahmud for the two remaining spots. It would be Talha and Nazmul for the Test squad, and Mahmud and Nazmul for the ODI squad, so which two to take in a combined squad?

Since Nazmul features in both my Test squad and my ODI squad, it would appear that he should make it into the combined squad. However, it is not that cut and dry. If Mashrafe or Taposh were to get injured, or if Rajib was all over the place in the warm up games, Nazmul would not be an automatic pick for me to replace one of them in the Tests. He would have to fight it out with Talha. This may surprise a few people but it shouldn't.

Talha is taller and quicker and these aren't bad attributes to have for a pace bowler. Nazmul is shorter and not as rapid, but he does consistently slant the ball into the right-hander, which would take it away from the left handers at the top of the English batting order. Again, a very good skill to have for England. On the down side, Nazmul has been lacking in match practice. He played only one match in the Duleep Trophy and bowled just nine overs for no wickets. In the NCL, he has played just two matches including the current 7th round match against Dhaka. He has so far picked up 3 wickets.

Talha on the other hand has been picking up wickets quite regularly. He took 5 wickets in the Duleep Trophy, not an overly successful tour but not too bad either given that the team as a whole played poorly. In the NCL he has taken 11 wickets so far including the current 7th round match, which is his fourth! What has impressed me most has been the fact that 8 out of his 11 wickets have been against top order batsmen and both in the NCL and in the Duleep Trophy, he had quite a few batsmen out LBW and caught behind. The reason I like Talha is because he consistently pitches the ball up and makes the batsmen play, something that hasn't and won't serve him well on sub-continental pitches where the batsmen can come on to the front foot and play him on length. However, making the batsmen play at deliveries will be the thing to do in England if our pacers want to pick up wickets.

As for the ODI team, there is a good chance that both Nazmul and Mahmud will play a role. Even though some will argue that Aftab will do what Mahmud has been doing in the ODI squad, I think Mahmud should still go, given though that he is in very good form and is likely to be effective, atleast with the ball in England.

So, it seems like Talha will have to miss out in favour of Nazmul and Mahmud. Both have the advantage that they will almost certainly play in the ODI team at some point during the Natwest Trophy. Also, in the end, Nazmul is a safer pick than Talha for the test matches as well, even though he lacks match practice and Talha has been taking wickets quite regularly. This is because with Nazmul, you know that even if he doesn't end up firing on all cylinders, he can probably still get away with bowling a decent few spells, whereas with Talha, you run the risk of things going badly wrong for him when he gets hit out of the park. Since we are likely to take a calculated gamble with Rajib in the squad, it makes more sense to go with the steady Nazmul rather than the unpredictable Talha!

So, the bowlers I would pick for the tour of England are: Mohammed Rafique, Enamul Huque, Monjurul Islam, Mashrafe Murtoza, Tapash Baisya, Shahadat Hussain, Nazmul Hussain and Khaled Mahmud.

Edited on, March 31, 2005, 6:09 AM GMT, by Sham.
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Old March 31, 2005, 01:14 AM
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Lemme get this straight.

In Aftab Ahmed, you have an inoffensive medium pacer who just took five-for against New Zealand, and a bag of wickets against an Indian region side, and who can actually bat, and you STILL talk about picking Khaled Mahmud.

Leave the fat, the old and the useless at home.

Please.

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Old March 31, 2005, 01:21 AM
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Hey, I am not picking Khaled Mahmud in place of Aftab. Aftab is a certainty for both squads and more specifically, going to be in the first XI in both versions of the game, as the number six batsman in Tests and possibly at 3 in the ODIs! Don't get so worked up!
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Old March 31, 2005, 01:54 AM
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I don't think Sujon is that fat, do you?

The reason for him to be in the ODI squad even after being as old as he is as a medium pacer is because he's fit for his age. And although I would pick both Mushfiqur & Sujon in my team, I must admit that Sujon is the fittest among the two medium pace all-rounders.
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Old March 31, 2005, 02:37 AM
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Excellent Post Sham. Did you crunch any numbers for this? Send em my way. I'll pretty em up and then this will be the companion piece to my article.
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Old March 31, 2005, 03:13 AM
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However, it appears that the BCB will pick just one squad for the England tour that will play in the Tests and the ODIs against England and Australia.
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As far as I hav heard/read so fer about team selection... BCB has not even mentioned anything like that yet.. neither they hav said anything about thinking of playing our 'Test-only' players (like JO-Enamul) in ODI's or our 'ODI-only' players (like Sujon-Rana-Rajjak) in Tests.

It's probably going to be the same again.. different teams for Tests & ODI's.


Possible 16 in the final Squad:
These 13 are more or less confirmed to be in:
Bashar, Rafiq, Mashrafee, Tapash, Pilot, Sujon, Javed, Ashraful, Rajin, Nafees, Aftab, Rana, Enamul Jr.

So there are not much scopes for assumtion.

The remaining 3 will probably be as simple as this:
1 Specialist Batsman ( From Tushar/Shahriar Nafees)
2 Pacers (From Shahadat/Nazmul/Talha/Monir)

I feel these three has the hightst chances of going in:
Tushar
Shahadat
Nazmul


*There's a high possibility for Rajjak to be left out. And later on, 12 member Test or ODI playing squads will possibly be picked from these 16 later on just before the matches.


Edited on, March 31, 2005, 10:07 AM GMT, by crickethorizon.
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Old March 31, 2005, 09:28 AM
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I don't think Sujon is that fat, do you?
No...not at all. As someone else have said before in another thread, he is just all-rounded. I like that better.

I hope they use Aftab more often and see how he performs consistently and thus minimize the importance/need of Sujon in the one-day team.



Edited on, March 31, 2005, 2:31 PM GMT, by Fazal.
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Old March 31, 2005, 10:45 AM
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No Sujon is not that FAT!.. but he's not doing good as we expected, always try to play "cross-bat" but in bowling.. he can swing the ball but that on a short piched delivery!:cool2: so if i were in selection panel, i don't know what to do with "Cha-Cha"
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Old March 31, 2005, 12:12 PM
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Good post.

Ian W
Best post of the month. I immensly enjoyed your comment on Mahmud! Good observation. I agree. He should stay home. Given the chance, Aftab can easily fill up the bowling duties usually done by Mahmud. Who plays five bowlers in one dayers these days? We have four bowlers in the ODI team in mash, Tapash, rafiq and rana. That should be enough. Aftab, Rajin, Ash can join hands finish the remaining quota. We can pick an extra batsman instead of Mahmud.
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Old March 31, 2005, 12:55 PM
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Beamer, my first XI for an ODI will look like the one you just named as well. So, if I were picking a team for an ODI to be played tomorrow, I would not have pick Mahmud. However, in a series, any number of things might happen and you need to have cover. Mahmud gives you a few options with the cover.

For example, if the spinners aren't as effective with the ball and it is felt that we need another seamer rather than Rafique or Rana, Mahmud can fill in and we won't have to sacrifice lower order batting ability. In the same way if it was felt that the batting was well covered with all the all-rounders in the lower-order (Mashud, Mashrafe, Rafique, Rana) but the part-time bowlers (Aftab, Rajin, Ash) were struggling and so the bowling attack needed to be strengthened, we can again take Mahmud, who will strengthen the bowling without possibly weakening the batting all that much! These were my considerations for having him in the squad.

Ideally, I hope crickethorizon is right, that they do pick two seperate squads so we can have exactly who we want in each squad rather than trying to balance one squad for ODIs and Tests like I have attempted to do above!
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Old March 31, 2005, 01:02 PM
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This what the 20 men squad looks like: (according to Cricinfo)

Habibul Bashar (capt), Khaled Mashud (wk), Khaled Mahmud, Mohammad Ashraful, Javed Omar, Rajin Saleh, Nafees Iqbal, Aftab Ahmed, Tushar Imran, Shahriar Nafees Ahmed, Mohammad Rafique, Manzarul Islam Rana, Enamul Haque, Mashrafee Bin Mortuza, Tapash Baisya, Nazmul Hossain, Anwar Hossain Munir, Talha Jubair, Shahadat Hossain Rajib, Abdur Razzak Raj.

Looks pretty good, but I don't think that Nazmul and Shahadat Hossian should be playing the Tests. They are too young, inexperienced and won't be able to bowl at full energy for too long. They did very good against Zimbabwe A team but England is no Zimbabwe. Nazmul played against India and picked 2 wickets but look at his Econ (4.41 per over). I feel that they would better fit only in ODI.

These are only bowlers who should participate in tests mathes: Mashrafee Mortuza, Tapash Baisya, Talha Jubair/Anwar Hossain Munir, Mohammad Rafique, Manzarul Islam Rana and Enamul Haque Jr.
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Old March 31, 2005, 01:19 PM
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Point understood and nicely explained. I still think our biggest problem in the one day team is the selectors overlooking the very important aspect of the sixth batsman. We have been ignoring that spot all together when you need a batsman at No.6 given the brittle nature of our top five batsmen. We need added support there. Our one day bowling has improved beyond respectability and no longer a priority. We have good containement bowlers now for the middle overs. So, its time that we concentrate on a batsman at no.6. This is the team I will play in a ODI in England :
1. nafis 2. rajin 3. aftab 4, bashar 5. ash 6. a batsman ( maybe tushar who has good strike rate needed for a no.6) 7.pilot 8. rafiq 9. mash 10, tapash 11. Chacha/nazmul if you want a seamer or rana if you want a spinner. I guess we will be playing a seamer in england so rana won't play. It should come down between chacha and nazmul. Since that is the 11th spot, chachas batting is ignored and he should compete with Nazmul on bowling strength alone. Nazmul, has done more than OK in every one day game he played so far. I am for Nazmul taking the 11th spot. No chacha..We should just leave him home.
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Old March 31, 2005, 01:37 PM
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Beamer, I agree completely with your team composition and selection. However, here is the question I have had to ask when deciding who to take on tour: If Nazmul were to get injured in your above team, or one of the seamers needed to get rested (after all there are six ODIs and Mashrafe and Taposh will have just played in the Test series as well), who would you want as cover, Mahmud or Talha?

Personally, I really want Talha in my squad for the Test matches. I still think he has a lot of potential and England might just be the place for him. I think Talha, Rajib and Nazmul should play in a couple of the warm-ups and fight it out for the third pacers spot!

Also, as you know, I have also said for a long time that we need to pick a specialist batsman at the number 6 spot. Lets just hope that they have the sense to pick two teams so that we can send JO back and have seven specialist batsmen (including Shahriar Nafees and Tushar Imran) to pick six from for the ODI team.
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Old March 31, 2005, 02:15 PM
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I would want Talha as the cover. Simply because he has more upside and should be the reserve in the test squad.
Chacha can be in the one day squad if one must, but not a necessity. I am not getting carried away with his NCL performance.

I know that you and I talked about the need for a no.6 specialist batsman in the one day games in this forum before. It continues to fall on deaf ears! what can you do. You know actually Shahriar Nafees can be tried at no.6 in one dayers or at no.5 for a few matches in the warm ups. Added bonus is that he is a lefty. He will be able to play freely because he is coming so low down the order. Won't have the pressure of opening as I don't want to remove rajin from the opening slot either. Worth a thought. Tushar probably has more experience playing that position head to head.
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Old March 31, 2005, 03:09 PM
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When Shameran Abed scored his first (and last) half century at the Nirman Championships, those fortunate enough to watch him bat were soon locked in debate about whether he was a future Lara or a future Tendulkar. Sadly, for all his talent and early promise, he was never able to repeat his feat and was duly dumped from his school side, prompting him to take up coaching the girls squad! This largely explains his crusade on the BanglaCricket forum against all talentless performers, and his love for all talented underachiervers, a bunch with whom he can identify. He goes by the nick "Sham" and although he was given the honorary title of BanglaCricket Adviser, most of his advice is usually laughed at and then deleted so as not to waste space on our limited server! He goes by the nick Sham on the forum - Editors.
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Old March 31, 2005, 03:16 PM
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Hehe

The editorial team includes Rajputro, Chinaman, Zunaid, Arnab, Tintin, Oracle and yours truly!

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yes. the last bowling spot. now this is tricky. although i wouldn't want to see shahadat getting capped so early (at least not in tests), i guess i'd pick him in the best 16 just because there's no-one better, and would probably try him out in the practice matches.

however, if it comes down to choosing one from the list to play in the top eleven, i'm not the best guy to come to for suggestions because i'm confused like hell. so i'd rather play it safe and try both chacha and shahadat out in the practice matches. if chacha shines with both bat and ball, i'll welcome him to the side: i'm not concerned about his age or anything of that sort at all. all i care for is performance, and picking chacha (if he performs with the bat as well) will enable us to include an extra batter as well.
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u guys (and me ) like it or not, this is the team mostly likely to play the 1st test. and unless someone fails terribly or get injured or pitch shows favore for certain type of bowling or something like happens, 2nd test team will remain the same. in that case, my guess is that JO will fail and abir will get the nod.

1. JO (1st test) Abir (2nd)
2. Nafis
3. Bashar
4. Rajin
5. Ashraful
6. Aftab
7. pilot
8. Rafique
9. Mashrafee
10. Taposh
11. Shahadat
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Old April 1, 2005, 01:44 PM
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u guys (and me ) like it or not, this is the team mostly likely to play the 1st test. and unless someone fails terribly or get injured or pitch shows favore for certain type of bowling or something like happens, 2nd test team will remain the same. in that case, my guess is that JO will fail and abir will get the nod.

1. JO (1st test) Abir (2nd)
2. Nafis
3. Bashar
4. Rajin
5. Ashraful
6. Aftab
7. pilot
8. Rafique
9. Mashrafee
10. Taposh
11. Shahadat
Agree except for #11. Even though we would like to see Shahadat, I think Nazmul will get the first chance and Shahadat in the 2nd test, unless Shahadat blow away Nazmul in the warmup matches (which is possible)
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u guys (and me ) like it or not, this is the team mostly likely to play the 1st test. and unless someone fails terribly or get injured or pitch shows favore for certain type of bowling or something like happens, 2nd test team will remain the same. in that case, my guess is that JO will fail and abir will get the nod.

1. JO (1st test) Abir (2nd)
2. Nafis
3. Bashar
4. Rajin
5. Ashraful
6. Aftab
7. pilot
8. Rafique
9. Mashrafee
10. Taposh
11. Shahadat
Perfect selection AgentSmith
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