What happened to our Bowling? - Page 2

thebest · #26 June 25, 2008, 12:38 PM

Ehsan hit the nail. Because JS wanted to be the batting coach not the Chief Coach. Yes absence of Rafiq, Rasel and Sakib hurts but of these two were entirely management's making. We fans are suffering. Also once opponent score 350 they could play easy with our batting (otherwise how could you defend today's decesion of inviting SL to bat) and inflate JS ego that we scored 240

Rifat · #27 June 25, 2008, 12:59 PM

our bowling got hammered by One of the greatest legends of the game...

Sanath Jayasuriya!

Simple a that!

roaring tigerz · #28 June 25, 2008, 01:02 PM

The bowling today can be quite succintly described in one word...crap. The discipline in our bowling is one area we made a marked improvement in the last couple of years. Today's performance took me back to the Shanto, Anis days. The pitch definitely had a role in the batsmens dominance. But the number of half trackers and loopy half volleys served up was embarrassing.

After the nightmarish spell today, Dolar has to be give way to another bowler. Farhad is pretty much our only option right now. But the mangement should also seriously look at giving Mosharraf another opportunity. Unlike a lot of other BC members, I believe Shahadat is indispensable for our ODI team. But he desperately needs to get his act together to hold on his place.

SS · #29 June 25, 2008, 01:20 PM

Accroding to cricinfo.."Ashraful could be blamed for his decision at the toss, but the his bowlers made it worse by offering plenty of hit-me balls. Apart from Mashrafe Mortaza, who maintained a good line and length, and Razzak, the rest forgot the basic rule of bowling to their field. Time and again, Ashraful rushed to his bowlers, but as Sri Lanka's final total indicates, that didn't do much good."

Are they doing there homeworks, coach needs to realize only working with batters won't solve the problem. We have few more days left for the next game. Lots of homework needs to be done with other bowlers. Can they bring back Rasel. And also work with aloukik riad. Not sure if they will sit out Dollar looking at his performance, even Farhad is brought instead of his place. We will lose a clean down order hitter but bowling needs a big improvement even we have to sacrifice the new guy for his all rounder ability. Next match will be same story if our bowlers do not improve and check runs.

BANFAN · #30 June 25, 2008, 02:08 PM

Lack of professional guidance ! layman level of guidance is not enough for the bowlers at this level.

Tigers_eye · #31 June 25, 2008, 02:18 PM

If SL wants to help Bangladesh Cricket in any form or fashion I tell you they need to sack Vass right now and let him come to Bangladesh. That alone will solve all our problems. Suddenly Dolar, shahadat will not bowl on the leg. Rasel would be Vass 2.0.

I am ready to give up anyone for that. Ash, Mushi, Rakibul even Shakib.

KnightBD · #32 June 25, 2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WarWolf
Siddons is destroying the bowling in a planned way like a dumb and moron.

"dumb and morons" don't use a "planned way". Siddon is just a batting coach. We need a bowling coach as his assistant to solve this problem.

BD-Shardul · #33 June 25, 2008, 02:26 PM

Ekta hoy to arekta hoy na. Probably because nothing is free in this world. During Whatmore era, batting was weak, bowling was good. Now batting is improving at the expense of bowling.

And our Guru Siddons is clear failure when it comes it comes to bowling.

I wonder: Why Shahadat himself can't figure out something? I have no big understanding of cricket, but still I understand the following:

Can he not come up with some quick yorkers? Sudden bouncers, not short balls? Can't maintain line and length? Can't swing little bit?

And no matter what we say. the retirement of Mohammad Rafiq has hurt and will hurt us a lot.

Pundit · #34 June 25, 2008, 02:27 PM

Mash's wicket taking forays are almost exclusively limited to lower order batsmen nowadays.

Fazal · #35 June 25, 2008, 02:31 PM

What happened to our Bowling?

When you plug-in sh*tty players ... sh*ts happen you know....

3rd Umpire · #36 June 25, 2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WarWolf
Siddons is destroying the bowling in a planned way like a dumb and moron.

You should consider talking with a bit of common sense..what do u mean by siddons trying to destroy our bowling...accept it, we dont have any world class bowler...no spinner who' can turn it dangerously and no paceman who has extreme pace...those who are kinda fast have no line and length and those with line and length have no pace....so you should see siddons' resources before accusing him after every defeat...cricket isnt a walk in the park mate...

djnaved · #37 June 25, 2008, 02:41 PM

hmm,this is why our bowling is weak.....

mash's no bowling variation
shadhat's short pitch bowling
dollar's unmindful bowling
alok's short pitch ball
razzak's too much arm ball
riyad's not focusing on line and length

imtiaz82 · #38 June 25, 2008, 02:41 PM

Everyone representing the national team should be of some quality. It is just not acceptable that just because 1-2 bowlers are out due to injury our whole attack would suck. Look at Pakistan in the last series, they had both M Asif and S Akhtar out of the team, yet they were professional enough to beat India.

Same goes for any other test playing team, Australia's standard did not drop drastically just because Shane Warne and Mcgrath retired. Today even soccer, Turkey is playing an amazing game with half the main team missing due to injury/card...

Also, we should play to our strength. If we don't have really great fast bowler or spinner, they should concentrate on line and length. New Zealand and the Zimbabwe team in mid 90s are good example of this. Today all I saw was wayward bowling and short pitch deliveries..

3rd Umpire · #39 June 25, 2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KnightBD
"dumb and morons" don't use a "planned way". Siddon is just a batting coach. We need a bowling coach as his assistant to solve this problem.

My friend ...you probably dont know that we already have a Sri'Lankan fast and spin bowling coach who were hired by the BCB quite recently...now they are missing...and everything in cricket cannot be done by a coach...its just a notion that a good coach makes a good team...for example rajasthan royals won the IPL with no coach and those teams with world class coaches failed...so when our bowlers play in a charitable mood often providing hit me balls to the worlds best ...we just have to blame the bowlers.....

Tigers_eye · #40 June 25, 2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rd Umpire
You should consider talking with a bit of common sense..what do u mean by siddons trying to destroy our bowling...accept it, we dont have any world class bowler...no spinner who' can turn it dangerously and no paceman who has extreme pace...those who are kinda fast have no line and length and those with line and length have no pace....so you should see siddons' resources before accusing him after every defeat...cricket isnt a walk in the park mate...

dear 3rd umpire,
How fast was Vass today? How fast was he in the past 3 years? How fast will he be in next three years? To be a World class bowler you don't need to have extreme pace nor you have to have dangerous turns. Most important skill required is having a "Ghilu" (brain). Only Rasel has it among our pace attack. Siddons is the one who left Rasel out when he was included in the team.

3rd Umpire · #41 June 25, 2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by djnaved
hmm,this is why our bowling is weak.....

mash's no bowling variation
shadhat's short pitch bowling
dollar's unmindful bowling
alok's short pitch ball
razzak's too much arm ball
riyad's not focusing on line and length

Great verdict...you seem to find a mistake in everyone...since you seem to be very smart why dont you name 6 replacements which would make us win with top teams by replacing the above...shahadat,dolar and alok i can understand...man u even crtcissed mash and razzak which is very shocking

nycpro96 · #42 June 25, 2008, 02:52 PM

i dont honestly beliieve that dolar mahmud is a bad bowler
today he was just put in to early and also he was put into the playing XI too quickly
selectors are the reason that our bowling collapsed

3rd Umpire · #43 June 25, 2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
dear 3rd umpire,
How fast was Vass today? How fast was he in the past 3 years? How fast will he be in next three years? To be a World class bowler you don't need to have extreme pace nor you have to have dangerous turns. Most important skill required is having a "Ghilu" (brain). Only Rasel has it among our pace attack. Siddons is the one who left Rasel out when he was included in the team.

I agree to you about Rasel's exclusion but what u said about Vaas i totally disagree...he may not have the pace but if u had seen today's match his ability to swing both ways was commendable...to that u can add his excellent line and length and the ability to bowl according to the field set up which was very unlike our bowlers on field...man look forward...reality is rasel isnt with us this asia cup...so there's no use talking about it...in the world cup we experienced a drubbing by the lankans and guess what rasel and shakib were there and shahadat and dolar were missing but sanath was just unstoppable...so think about how to improve the present...be optimistic mate

crikfreak · #44 June 25, 2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rd Umpire
You should consider talking with a bit of common sense..what do u mean by siddons trying to destroy our bowling...accept it, we dont have any world class bowler...no spinner who' can turn it dangerously and no paceman who has extreme pace...those who are kinda fast have no line and length and those with line and length have no pace....so you should see siddons' resources before accusing him after every defeat...cricket isnt a walk in the park mate...

i agree we might not have pacers who bowl super fast or spinners who can turn it dangerously.. but you should atleast try to utilise whatever you have.. you cant leave out a bowler like rasel and say that siddons did not have resources.. look at our past matches.. back when mash and rasel used to play together.. with razzak, sakib and rafiq following in.. ok so rafiq's retired now.. but the rest were all available till the pak series weren't they?? if we could restrict these people below 250 or in some cases270.. why can't we do it now??

siddons is a batting coach.. he's got no clue about bowling.. go back to the days before siddons arrived.. our bowling wasn't this bad..

3rd Umpire · #45 June 25, 2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by crikfreak
i agree we might not have pacers who bowl super fast or spinners who can turn it dangerously.. but you should atleast try to utilise whatever you have.. you cant leave out a bowler like rasel and say that siddons did not have resources.. look at our past matches.. back when mash and rasel used to play together.. with razzak, sakib and rafiq following in.. ok so rafiq's retired now.. but the rest were all available till the pak series weren't they?? if we could restrict these people below 250 or in some cases270.. why can't we do it now??

siddons is a batting coach.. he's got no clue about bowling.. go back to the days before siddons arrived.. our bowling wasn't this bad..

rafiq retired & shakib's got exams....siddons not interested in Rasel whereas mash and razzak were still there and bowled reasonably well....i respect what u have to say...but our selectors and board also have a responsibility in improving our cricket....it is the selectors' job to get players to represent BD and it is the board's job to hire a world class bowling coach...i agree siddons is only a batting coach..but if u see BD batting is improving keeping in mind shakib and aftab are missing and our opening slot with tamim is unsettled....our batting this asia cup has been motivating until now..even today they scored 220 odd even after ashraful was wrongly out so siddons is improving the batting...for what you said restricting to 250-270 i hope u take into account our bowlers were bowling on a flat deck in the hot humid weather which honestly isnt easy when Sangakkara and Jayasuriya were in supreme touch...

samjad · #46 June 25, 2008, 03:39 PM

We are badly missing Rafique. More than Rasel and Sakib.

simon · #47 June 25, 2008, 04:32 PM

Its because Rasel & Sakib are missing.
Not only that but our players & the coach have been concentrating more on the batting than anything else.
Thats why we are getting more often 220+ & giving our oponent 300+ .
But its pathetique anyway.

akabir77 · #48 June 25, 2008, 04:55 PM

so you people think teams never scored 300+ against us when we had this line up?

Mash
Rassell
Rafiq
Sakib
Razzak?

Think harder before you answer.

Eshen · #49 June 25, 2008, 05:13 PM

Back in the time, our opponents scored 300+ against us on occasions, but nowadays it seems unavoidable that opponents will score 300+ if they bat first. Even absences of Rasel, Sakib, and Rafique should not make such a difference. We had crappy bowling attacks before Rasel, Raj, and Sakib came along, but never before our bowling side looked so hopeless.

al Furqaan · #50 June 25, 2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by akabir77
so you people think teams never scored 300+ against us when we had this line up?

Mash
Rassell
Rafiq
Sakib
Razzak?

Think harder before you answer.

give a score card analysis of how many times that attack was taken apart for 300+ runs.

i'll do it.

in matches where rasel has played:

teams have ended their innings with a RR above 6.00 on 5 occaisions, with only 3 being 300+ innings (all Sri Lanka). out of 23 innings.

5/23 = 22 %

so 22% of the time when rasel plays, teams score at over 6 runs per over.

nowadays the record is 90%