This was a Product of the T20 Era, Bangladesh never embraced it

[cricman]

We never took it seriously, didn't try to reap the benefits. Accepting Big Hitting, it's Ok to play in the air, no ... what did we do 240, 50 Overs, Block 5 of 41, 7 of 22. Ruined very gifted Shot Makers, who could make something out of nothing.

Good Length Balls Can be Hit for 6, it helps bowlers as well, learn new tricks how to handle pressure ... Instead of hopelessly throwing it up.

The Days of Slow Staring, Constructing an Innings from 5 of 20 to 15 of 35 to 35 of 60 to 50 of 75 are over. If One has to play like that than the other need to step it up and play aggressive.

We Need a 2-3 Month T20 Boot Camp

[amar11432]

T20 wont do no good. BD batsman never really learned the fundamentals of pacing innings depending on the format they play.

[al-Sagar]

does Watson plays these 95 ball 185 everyday ???? when was the last time he played like this ??? which other batsman play like this regularly ????

anyway you are correct. slow starts days are gone. may be 5-10 balls or 20 balls. but u need to be in 80s SR by the time u face ur 25th ball or u score ur 20th run.

[bd fan]

the selectors should drive around dhaka in a jeep looking for big and tall men with muscles. They should then make all the big people take trials and the one who can smash the ball the furthest consistently should be brought into the team and replace roqibul.

This will solve our batting powerplay problem and then we will get 300+ scores regularly

[bd fan]

Batting line up for next match:

1.Tamim Iqbal
2.Imrul Kayes
3.Shariah Nafees
4.Mahmudullah
5.Shakib Al Hasan
6.Mushfiqur Rahim
7.Shuvo
8.Alok Kapali/ Shuvagoto Hom
9.Shafiul Islam
10.Abdur Razzak
11.Rubel Hossain

12th man Shuvagoto Hom/Alok Kapali- play them when razzak is not bowling. Razzak is fat and hopeless at fielding.

[Puck]

While this was a one day international I had such high hopes for Bangladesh against the weakening Australians. However, it seems like we still believe in the hype. They are not the world's best team any more and not even close. Australia is 'beatable'. Bangladesh must believe in themselves. Watson's knock was a freakish innings just like Gillespie's double century had been a couple of years ago. However, it is insulting to be talked of Bangladesh as a minnow but I can't blame the commentators as they are only reflecting recent results.

[Raynman]

We have been trying to play catch up in Test and ODI but T20 is a format that we decided to fall behind by our own choice.

The board, the selectors, the coach, the captain, the players and a large portion of the fans disrepected the format and now we are paying the price in all formats as the skillset gained from it is invaluable.

I hope Shakib does well in KKR and maybe that will open up BD to the format.

BD needs this upcoming international break really bad. Its time to sort out a lot of issues and do some house cleaning.

[Baundule]

We have been very unlucky to have a coach like Jamie Siddons. We were inconsistent in 2007; but the success in the world cup gave us a breathing space and a platform for improvement. The first thing the coach told was we were crap, lowering the bar and tried to change things that were not needed to change. Wins were a forgotten thing, competitiveness were gone, selfishness was harnessed in the name of self-improvement. No wonder why the players will crumble under pressure, they were not taught to win.

[zainab]

Let's hope that BCB does not renew Siddon's contract with all his holidays clauses.

[cricket_king]

I disagree. Like a few others have mentioned, the fundamentals themselves are missing in this line-up. You don't need to play T20 to know basic acceleration techniques. Guys like Rakibul and Imrul don't have the capabilities to swing that bat. Siddons has completely destroyed our knack of quick scoring.

Another issue is the pathetic answers these guys have to short bowling. Not ONE pull shot. And even then, learn to counter it in your own like, like the Indians have. For God's sake. This is so depressing. And i don't even know where to begin with the bowlers. Razzak was always crap. Can't bowl a single over without one crap delivery, and even Shakib was awful. "Spinners" who can't spin the ball. Fail. And the less said about Shafiul and Rubel, the better.

[bd fan]

Originally Posted by cricman
We never took it seriously, didn't try to reap the benefits. Accepting Big Hitting, it's Ok to play in the air, no ... what did we do 240, 50 Overs, Block 5 of 41, 7 of 22. Ruined very gifted Shot Makers, who could make something out of nothing.

Good Length Balls Can be Hit for 6, it helps bowlers as well, learn new tricks how to handle pressure ... Instead of hopelessly throwing it up.

The Days of Slow Staring, Constructing an Innings from 5 of 20 to 15 of 35 to 35 of 60 to 50 of 75 are over. If One has to play like that than the other need to step it up and play aggressive.

We Need a 2-3 Month T20 Boot Camp

agreed, we can't afford these days to have batsmen playing the 'anchor role' or to play as 'grafters' like raqibul and sometimes kayes and make runs at a stike rate of 60.

[Tigers_eye]

Tendu is so lucky!!

[Rifat]

Originally Posted by bd fan
the selectors should drive around dhaka in a jeep looking for big and tall men with muscles. They should then make all the big people take trials and the one who can smash the ball the furthest consistently should be brought into the team and replace roqibul.

This will solve our batting powerplay problem and then we will get 300+ scores regularly

according to Ian Pont, They had a similar contest with the National Team players: and surprisingly, Nazmul Hossain won it hands down.(he is a bowler )

People might bash me for this: But i strongly Feel that National team is missing NAZMUL HOSSAIN.

Why?

1. He has improved significantly. His lack of pace is now a combination of Rasel-esque intelligent bowling with lots of variations, slower balls + Run Rate checker + great death bowling abilities. He was badly missed today. Today none of our bowlers were miserly. Razzak actually bowled well contrary to the stats and Watson freakish innings. but it is those one boundary bowl per over/loppa ball that destroyed him today.

2. He is perfectly well suited for our Mirpur Low-slow pitch.

3. He knows how to bowl the butterfly and i believe he might be the first Bangladeshi confident enough to bowl it in the international scene. MMW(Mark-My-Word)!

The reason why he doesn't get much attention and gets dropped frequently is because he is not that popular amongst fans and more preferred Seamers like Rubel and shafiul get selected(which is fine) but i think he could be our third pacer when we do go for that option... provided that he retains the above qualities mentioned above for his own good!

Ian Pont himself can verify/correct what i just said!

[Sohel]

The opposition captains leave the legside pretty much empty for DaRk even in domestic matches because they know he can't use his wrist to find singles there. He gets bogged down, creates pressure on his team, and then tries to release that aforesaid pressure with a premeditated, agricultural, and eventually fatal sweep.

The accidental singles and streaky fours notwithstanding, sighting the ball relatively early and finding off-side gaps in the "V" is also pretty tough for the man ironically named Nauyon. Then there's the absence of drop and run drills and zero emphasis is trying to score singles and twos and more off bad deliveries. Those who think he's technically sound because he's blocking half-volleys and full-tosses with the full face of the bat as compactly as possible, don't know shite as to what technique is, no matter how their monumental egos suggest otherwise.

Then again, you can't blame a Maruti Suzuki for being anything other than what it is. Players without basic ability do not select themselves, and will never meet the high and unrealistic expectation of becoming a BMW by "hard-work", wishful thinking and osmosis. Gotta have the right players, even when they crash and burn within preset parameters.

Our selectors could start by actually going to local games while reading up on what ability is because more often than not, they were terrible cricketers for this level with pitiful ability.

Staying in the middle and playing as many balls as possible may improve one's temperament, but won't improve him technically. The "we-suck-but-we-have-the-best-players-in-the-country-so-give-'em-time" attitude creates neither the desire to try and play the game the way it ought to be played, nor the intent to try and do something extraordinary when called upon to stand up and deliver like men. Add indiscipline, nepotism and opportunistic hypocrisy to all that and you'll end up with exactly what we have now.

That's why Imrose still commits his front foot early and can't play with a soft bottom hand. That's why you have players walking runs because they smoke two packs of cigarettes a day and have the Biriyani-gut of their uncle. That's why you don't care when you get out trying to score two unnecessary boundaries in a row etc.

Anyway ...

Sadly, we'll always have those celebrating mediocrity because of their own mediocrity. We'll always have those finding positives in "honorable defeats" because of their own self-esteem issues. And finally we'll always have those deeply disturbed, loudmouthed, intellectually dishonest morons using statistics, usually from a distance without the benefit of sight, without qualitative analysis, and therefore without honest contextualization, to justify and sublimate their pathology in a public arena with "strong positions", knee-jerk reactions, and obvious biases. This describes many from BCB officials, to selectors, to local coaches, to local journos, and finally to NRB and local fans.

They wash their hands and blame others, just like their foreign-boss-of-the-day-who-can't-teach-dumb-natives-but-he-holds-on-to-them-anyway, when things go sideways and the proverbial chicken finally comes home to roost. NO surprise there at all. We are where we are, rather than where we can be, because of such self loathing vermin amongst us. Time to start putting them in their places and stop empowering them more than they deserve in all levels of our national life, including cricket.

[smashyboy]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
Tendu is so lucky!!

Dont think so.. as long as BD bowls and Watson bats.. Tendulkar is not going to be lucky for far too long. He will eventually break the record.

[Rifat]

on topic,

yes! you are right cricman but is it realistic to expect Bangladesh to consistently score 300+ scores against world class oppositions when clearly in the past we have only done so twice(against Zimbabwe and Kenya let me remind you!) also we scored 296 against a weak Indian bowling attack last year but that's about it!

when we do attempt with such mentality we often bundle out for less than 180/150? why? because as an emerging cricket nation we still have to MASTER the art of balancing between aggressive intent and safe cricket. what we see from the Australians is all proper cricket shots, nothing cheeky or dangerous like the paddle sweep.

to get to this level, we simply need to consistently play QUALITY cricket, not just against Zimbabwe(with all due respect to them). our players consistently need to be challenged. I wish all of our pipelines+ national players played in the county to get that level of intense cricket experience. we just lack that. other things to consider is that: the current crop of batsmen knows a limited range of shots to play. on a professional International cricket match, the opposition knows this fact and with proper field setting the players who average around strike rate of 90 in the Bangladesh domestic league now average around 65 in the international arena since none of our players can play all around the park(Rahim, Alhamdulillah was the exception today). This is why players like Roquibul fail to score at a decent strike rate so many times in international cricket because simply the opponent knows and plans beforehand where this guy will likely hit the ball, and put field placement accordingly.

the players that do know how to make strokes(cricman, you are more knowledgeable about them than me!) are horribly out of form and you can blame whomever you want for their own failure. but the truth of the matter is, they must take a share of the blame upon themselves too because they have been given more than enough chances in A team, Domestic, International and they just failed even after so many chances. who do you blame for that?

This is why you see many of us disregard the T20 format simply because we are still in the process of getting the basic things right. it takes a lot of time and reflection to admit this, but this is a fact!

[cricman]

I'm just saying, had we embraced it ... there would have been a few more sunnier days under Siddons Tenure

Theres so many Matches that I rememeber where the T20 Influence from the opposition or our lack of Mindset hurt us

1) Chasing 191 vs Australia, the Infamous Ashraful 4 Ball Quote and than the 100/2 to Collapse (Shakib Blowing Kisses to Watson). Ashraful was beating around the bush playing like a Certain Raqibul Hasan, trying to respect the bowling or whatever (RR was like 1.5 after 7 overs) and than couldn't put away a Half Volley. Our Bowling from Time to Time is more than Capable of Restricting the opposition to sub par scores ... Were the only team that makes chasing 220 more than what it should be

2) Should have been up 2-0 on NZ in 2007, Jacob Oram went AWOL took em 220 odd and again we messed up the entire chase.

3) Chasing 114 vs SA in a T20, We we 65/3 in the 5th Over and than Raqibul( yeah that guy) went in Test Mode lost by 10 runs

4) The Pathetic middle order display vs Ireland in the T20 WC

5) On More than a few Occasions we've made Ray Price utsetya look like Murali with our Bangla Blockade

6) Only God Knows what Ryiad and Naeem were doing in the 2nd ODI vs England

It's not even Hitting 4's and 6's every ball, hit some boundaries, the field gets manipuated to block the boundaries and easy singles are there. Tamim did this perfectly in his 125 vs England.

Yes T_E Tendu is very Lucky ... He can actually graft an Innings since he's got guys like Pathan, Dhoni, Gahmbir, Sewhag, Kohil, but he's got gears too.

[simon]

I think it's a good idea if we organize more PCL T20 type of tournaments,batsmen need to get used to this sort of bating & that will help some of our slow players to improve their SR.
Look at what IPL has done?

[simon]

but the size is not that important,Viru,Jayasurya,Dilshan they r no big strong man.
They r just mentally and technically strong & agressive.
Look at how Mushy played today,this was the best innings after SAkib's hundred vs NZ.

[BANFAN]

Even secrets of Irish improvement is also because they embraced T20 more than us. JS is breaking our batting backbone by trying to make us Indian players of 1960s.

[Ajfar]

I can't decide what's worse? The spanking McCullum gave us back in 08 in NZ, or the one Watson gave us yesterday. I think McCullum's one was worse, the guy finished the game in less than 8 overs.

[simon]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
I can't decide what's worse? The spanking McCullum gave us back in 08 in NZ, or the one Watson gave us yesterday. I think McCullum's one was worse, the guy finished the game in less than 8 overs.

right,as today we atleast batted well,that match was a bit more horrible than today's one.

[Prithviraj]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
I can't decide what's worse? The spanking McCullum gave us back in 08 in NZ, or the one Watson gave us yesterday. I think McCullum's one was worse, the guy finished the game in less than 8 overs.

Shewag during WC opener... given the importance of the match...that is worst of the lot...

[Ajfar]

Originally Posted by Prithviraj
Shewag during WC opener... given the importance of the match...that is worst of the lot...

Nop. That was nothing comparing to the spanking from McCullum and the one from Watson. As I said he finished the game before 8th over, he was seriously threating Afridi's 37 ball 100, unlucky for him we didn't even manage to score 100 that time.

Brendon McCullum plundered an unbeaten 80 runs from 28 balls as New Zealand chased down Bangladesh's total of 93 runs in six overs in a limited-overs cricket match Monday.
McCullum smashed six 6s and nine 4s in his 31-minute innings as New Zealand scored 95.
New Zealand has never lost to Bangladesh and its win, with 264 balls remaining, was the fastest in its history and one of the largest by any nation in limited-overs matches.

[revolver]

We need to import some pathans from afghanistan... Or we can body build 11 young guys who can just flick the bowl over the ropes when they 5 years old

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