Did you notice Mash's outswing today?

RazabQ · #1 April 12, 2007, 01:23 AM

Ok watching the replay of BD vs Eng and Mash is bowling these booming outswingers. Most BD fans know that Mash's specially is the vicious of-cutter/in-swinger off the seam. I've seen him occassionally get outswing but today he was bending it big time. If he's developed a consistent outswinger to go with his inswinger then we can take that as a major +ve from this match.

BTW that Mushfique drop was mui lame. Is he a natural keeper? I.e. does he have soft hands? Technically he was in the right place, watched the ball into his gloves. But the in-n-out suggests stiffness.

**Nasif** · #2 April 12, 2007, 02:02 AM

I have noticed them. As a matter of fact, first over was full of those. I would say he was definitely experimenting. He needs to work on those as most of them were just too outside to be any effective.

RazabQ · #3 April 12, 2007, 02:03 AM

Another observation - Razzak's top speed 63 mph. Rasel's slow speed 62 mph

**Nasif** · #4 April 12, 2007, 02:04 AM

Also, Mashrafe definitely needs few wickets. He has been wicketless in last few games. I felt he looked bit demoralized around the end of first spell when he didn't get any wicket.

RazabQ · #5 April 12, 2007, 02:05 AM

Hablu had some aggressive field settings too - but after THAT run out ...

RazabQ · #6 April 12, 2007, 02:06 AM

Nasif - agreed he needs wickets. Thing is it's his threat that creates wickets for Rasel. Masree is constantly asking questions of the batsmen which tends to make them look to relax against the slower Rasel

Protic · #7 April 12, 2007, 04:43 AM

Yeah ..our seamers are doing well actually..both of em keeping tight and one of em taking wickets.. doesnt matter masri or rasel.
Razzak has 12 or 13 wickets in the world cup now?

RazabQ · #8 April 12, 2007, 12:41 PM

I wonder if SRajesh is rethinking his minnow stats theory ... Ha ha...

*AsifTheManRahman* · #9 April 12, 2007, 12:51 PM

unfortunately, i didn't get to watch the game, but this is good news. if we have two opening bowlers who can move it both ways and mixed it up, it's pretty bad news for our opponents.

ialbd · #10 April 12, 2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RazabQ
Another observation - Razzak's top speed 63 mph. Rasel's slow speed 62 mph

apparently Razzak was a pacer initially (Rafique too). Some of Razzak's quick ones really bamboozle the batsmen...

Sauron · #11 April 12, 2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
unfortunately, i didn't get to watch the game, but this is good news. if we have two opening bowlers who can move it both ways and mixed it up, it's pretty bad news for our opponents.

Loved your reason for edit

ammark · #12 April 12, 2007, 03:07 PM

Anyone have links to hilights for the match? I'd like to reevaluate :p

BangladeshCricket · #13 April 12, 2007, 03:15 PM

Mash has good line and length but he is not getting wicket. Outswing to the worldclass batters won't be that effective unless he puts the ball in right place. Pace experts ove here can tell that more. But most importantly he is not doing something right...a bowler like him should atleast get 1 wkt per match.

ammark · #14 April 12, 2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BangladeshCricket
Mash has good line and length but he is not getting wicket. Outswing to the worldclass batters won't be that effective unless he puts the ball in right place. Pace experts ove here can tell that more. But most importantly he is not doing something right...a bowler like him should atleast get 1 wkt per match.

Well having outswing requires an appropriate field setting as well, and Mash should look to develop his consistency. If he does that, consistently tempts the batsmen to play the ball, then Bashar always has to ensure that there are slips and gully as well as a sufficiently attacking offside field in place for him. In doing so Mash shouldnt have a free license to bowl onto anywhere inside of an off stump line. And that might be hard because he does genuinely have good off cutters and in swingers

Pundit · #15 April 12, 2007, 04:06 PM

Looks like there are more roaches around then you would have thought. Perhaps using roaches is less deregatory to our Indian loving deshis (nothing bad in that though - I am one as well, until it comes to BD cricket).

RazabQ · #16 April 12, 2007, 04:13 PM

Ammark, Mash's booming outswing is definitely a new phenomenon. Probably a function of the post-Karpinen, more, open-chested action which has him sometimes delivering the ball a little round-arm. He's always had a little bit of outswing - e.g. the delivery that castled Shewag in Dhaka sorta shaped away, pitched and nipped back violently. Now he's bending it big time. The newness would explain why he had those wised. If you know you are going to move it a foot or two in air, you aim the ball towards mid and leg. But Mash couldn't be sure, so he stuck to his off-stump corridor and the outswing then made the ball head towards 2nd slip (and SN's shins). If he really gets this under control, he _will_ get wickets. Also remember, fast bowlers tend to hunt in pair. Masree needs a partner at the other end who the batsmen won't fancy taking liberties with. Only then do you build up pressure on the batsmen ...

capslock · #17 April 12, 2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pundit
Looks like there are more roaches around then you would have thought. Perhaps using roaches is less deregatory to our Indian loving deshis (nothing bad in that though - I am one as well, until it comes to BD cricket).

it's not about being an 'Indian Loving Deshi', it's about common decency and respect for all human beings, regardless of their origin, and especially in a non life and death context such as sports.

I won't bother to point out the irony of your nick.

User Name · #18 April 12, 2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pundit
Looks like there are more roaches around then you would have thought. Perhaps using roaches is less deregatory to our Indian loving deshis (nothing bad in that though - I am one as well, until it comes to BD cricket).

Are we still living in Pakistan Era?

This seems to be straight out of Towhid/TahZeeb/Tamuddun culture!!!

Pundit · #19 April 12, 2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by capslock

I won't bother to point out the irony of your nick.

Having trouble sticking to the thread topic now, are we?

Pundit · #20 April 12, 2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by User Name
Are we still living in Pakistan Era?

This seems to be straight out of Towhid/TahZeeb/Tamuddun culture!!!

Your mentality is obviously still hung up to that culture.

RazabQ · #21 April 12, 2007, 04:27 PM

Capslock - has it occured to you that Al-Furqaan is using cockroach specifically to describe our doyen of stats? What in his post has led you to believe that he's applying that label to all Indians? As myself only here

Fazal · #22 April 12, 2007, 05:05 PM

Did you notice (some) members are outswing today (in this thread)?

akabir77 · #23 April 12, 2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ialbd
apparently Razzak was a pacer initially (Rafique too). Some of Razzak's quick ones really bamboozle the batsmen...

I just wonder how come rasell didn't became a lefty spinner too? I mean his line and length is as good as razzaks and also speed too. Well I am glad that he didn't became one...

TheWatcher · #24 April 12, 2007, 05:27 PM

Stuart Karppinen was with the team on Monday, may be he gave Mash some new tips. May be we should bring Karpinnen back in the team as our bowling coach, he sure had done wonder with Mash.

allrounder · #25 April 12, 2007, 06:15 PM

We need bowlers who can hit the deck hard with pace. Mashrafee does not have the pace like Sajid or Anderson otherwise we could have got more wickets on this pitch. England had the bowlers to exploit this kind of pitch, we did not have that. Rasel could not get the bounce and pace like the English.