IDEA for RAB - Where is the Middle generation?

[pagol-chagol]

Before McInnes our BD A teams and under 19 teams were producing very very little. Look at the Busta Cup in West Indies. That huge trip should have produced at least one regular player. We got Hannan out of that trip. Thats it. There is a huge middle age vacuum in our team. We have the dinosaurs (Basher, Pilot, Rafiq, Chacha etc.) and then we have the youngsters some of whom have gone through the Mcinnes treatment. Where is the generation of Rokon? Why?

[Spitfire_x86]

Generation of Rokon had problems. Rokon is a very overrated slogger. Now Durjoy is more of a politician than a cricketer, and he was an underperformer in most of his international career. Sanwar is very ordinary. I think Opi is the best batsman BD ever had, but he was too indisciplined.

Edited on, February 20, 2005, 9:27 PM GMT, by Spitfire_x86.

[Zephaniah]

Mehrab Hussain Opee was the 'creme de la creme' of that so-called middle generation. But he had issues with hard work and I heard about his drug problem too. Shahrier Hussain Bidyut was another very good player but prone to injury which never let his career take off to his promised land. Al Shahriar Rokon, still considered as fringe player, didn't do justice to his talent, though many of us reckon a very minor tweak in his mindset would have done the trick. Left arm seam bowler Monjurul Islam Monju had a good run in the team, but he would not cut it at this stage. I can't seem to remember any other decent player of that generation.

[Zephaniah]

Oh. Yes. Naimur Rahman Durjoy belongs to that generation.
And we all know why he is not in the team.

[RazabQ]

Originally posted by Zephaniah
Oh. Yes. Naimur Rahman Durjoy belongs to that generation.
And we all know why he is not in the team.

cuz he thinks he's bigger than the team.

[mahbubH]

Why Durjoy and Pilot are from different generation ? They both started playing for BD from 1994/95.

[pagol-chagol]

I would call Durjoy in pilot,basher's generation.

[pagol-chagol]

This was the Plate Cup (non playoff teams) final

Under-19s World Cup, 1999/00, Final
Bangladesh Under-19s v South Africa Under-19s
Asgiriya Stadium, Kandy
27 January 2000 (50-over match)

Result: South Africa Under-19s won by 80 runs

Toss: South Africa Under-19s
Umpires: Gamini Silva and LV Jayasundara
Match Referee: Bandula Warnapura


South Africa Under-19s innings (50 overs maximum) R B 4 6
GC Smith b Mahfuz Kabir 51 62 6 0
AG Puttick c Mossadek Hossain b Rajin Salah 19 44 2 0
JA Rudolph run out (Rajin Salah) 11 25 0 0
J Trott st Mohammad Salim b Mossadek Hossain 41 79 0 0
JG Myburgh run out (Rajin Salah) 2 15 0 0
DL Makalima b Mossadek Hossain 11 16 0 0
U Abrahams lbw b Ranjan Das 19 16 0 2
*+TL Tsolokile c Hannan Sarker b Ranjan Das 17 22 2 0
J Botha c Rajin Salah b Hannan Sarker 13 12 0 0
D Senekal b Ranjan Das 5 8 0 0
JA Morkel not out 1 1 0 0
Extras (b 3, lb 4, w 14, nb 2) 23
Total (all out, 49.4 overs) 213

FoW: 1-62 (Puttick, 12.6 ov), 2-91 (Rudolph, 20.5 ov),
3-100 (Smith, 23.4 ov), 4-110 (Myburgh, 26.4 ov),
5-131 (Makalima, 33.1 ov), 6-168 (Abrahams, 40.6 ov),
7-190 (Trott, 45.2 ov), 8-198 (Tsolokile, 46.6 ov),
9-208 (Senekal, 48.6 ov), 10-213 (Botha, 49.4 ov).

Bowling O M R W
Ranjan Das 10 1 43 3 (4w)
Tarakul Hasan 3 0 18 0 (2w)
Anwar Hossain 8 0 41 0 (3w)
Mossadek Hossain 10 0 39 2
Rajin Salah 10 0 31 1 (2nb)
Mahfuz Kabir 8 0 29 1
Hannan Sarker 0.4 0 5 1 (1w)

Bangladesh Under-19s innings (target: 214 runs from 50 overs) R B 4 6
Nahidul Haque c Botha b Senekal 2 14 0 0
+Mohammad Salim c Tsolokile b Morkel 1 2 0 0
*Hannan Sarker b Senekal 51 90 8 0
Rajin Salah c Abrahams b Morkel 4 10 0 0
Kuntal Chanda b Botha 8 25 0 0
Mohammad Kalim run out (Botha) 8 18 1 0
Mahfuz Kabir c Rudolph b Senekal 14 30 0 1
Tarakul Hasan run out (Tsolokile) 5 15 1 0
Mossadek Hossain c Tsolokile b Abrahams 8 46 0 0
Ranjan Das not out 8 36 0 0
Anwar Hossain b Trott 0 5 0 0
Extras (b 1, lb 1, w 18, nb 4) 24
Total (all out, 47.5 overs) 133

FoW: 1-3 (Mohammad Salim, 1.5 ov), 2-5 (Nahidul Haque, 2.6 ov),
3-17 (Rajin Salah, 5.6 ov), 4-55 (Kuntal Chanda, 15.3 ov),
5-75 (Mohammad Kalim, 21.4 ov), 6-105 (Mahfuz Kabir, 30.1 ov),
7-113 (Hannan Sarker, 32.1 ov), 8-116 (Tarakul Hasan, 35.4 ov),
9-129 (Mossadek Hossain, 44.6 ov), 10-133 (Anwar Hossain, 47.5 ov).

Bowling O M R W
Senekal 10 4 20 3 (6w)
Morkel 10 0 36 2 (2nb, 4w)
Myburgh 10 0 28 0 (1w)
Makalima 2 0 7 0 (2w)
Botha 10 2 31 1 (1nb, 4w)
Abrahams 4 0 7 1 (1nb)
Trott 1.5 0 2 1

Edited on, February 21, 2005, 1:31 AM GMT, by pagol-chagol.

[pagol-chagol]

ICC Under-19 World Cup in South Africa, Jan-Feb 1998




BANGLDESH

PLAYER D.O.B. SPECIALIST BEST BOWLING BEST BAITING
Shabbir Khan Shafin(c) 30.01.80 RH Bat/R Off Spin 4/36 - Dhaka League 106 - Nat. Champ
MD Mushfiqur Rahman 01.01.80 RH Bat/R Med Pace 4/17 - Dhaka League 87*- Dhaka League
Abdul Hannan Sarker 01.12.82 RH Open Bat/R Leg Spin 5/34 - Bedford School 106 - Dhaka League
Ridwan Hassan 23.08.79 RH Bat N/A 147 - Nat. School
MD Towhid Hossain 25.02.78 RH Bat/R Leg Spin 5/10 - Dhaka League 86 - Dhaka League
Sajal Chowdhury 23.03.78 RH Bat/R Open Bowler 4/22 - Dhoka League 75*- Dhaka League
MD Golam Mortuza 25.05.80 Wicketkeeper 4 Ct + 1 st 93 - National Youth
A.K.M. Ahsan-Ullah 15.1O.79 LH Bat/L Spin 6/27 - Nationa1 Yourh 65 - National Youth
K.M. Rezaul Hoque 20.11.82 LH Bat/L Open Bowler 6/13 - Nationa1 Youth 55 - Sylhet League
Morshed Alam 03.02.78 LH Bat N/A 85 - National Youth
MD Tarikul Hassan 09.12.81 RH Bat/R Medium Fast 6/16 - National Youth 45 - National Youth
MD. Koshidul Haque 05.06.79 RH Bat/R Medium Fast 2/22 - National Youth 59 - National Youth
MD. Tanvirul Islam Khan O1.09.79 RH Bat/R Leg Spin 5/25 - Dhaka League 77*- Nat.School
Tahmin Boshir 22.O1.84 LH Bat/L Spin 4/25 - Bang."A" 66 - Nat.School
Jewel Hossain 10.10.78 RH Bat/R Off Spin 5/37 - Dhaka League 60 - Dhaka League
Shahnewaz Kabir Shuvro 31.12.78 RH Bat/R Open Bowler 6/56 - Dhoka Leogue 85*- Dhaka League
Al-Shahriar Rokon 23.04.78 RH Bat/R Leg Spin 6/15 - National Youth 102 - Cent.Conf. NZ
Manjurul Islam 07.11.79 LH Bat/L Open Bowler 4/48 - Dhaka League 21 - Dhaka League
Mehrab Hossain 22.09.78 RH Open Bat N/A 117 - Nationa1 Youth
KM. Ehsanui Hoque 01.12.79 RH Open BatR Off Spin 2/10 - National Youth 93 - Hydrabad, India

[pagol-chagol]

This was also the non playoff teams' final

MTN U-19 World Cup - Plate final
Bangladesh Under-19s v West Indies Under-19s
Gert van Rensburg Stadium (Fochville)
24 January 1998 (50-over match)

Result: Bangladesh Under-19s won by six wickets
Toss: Bangladesh Under-19s
Umpires: S Engels and J Osram; third man: J Stephens
Referee: Barry Lambson
Man of the match: C Gayle (WI)


West Indies Under-19s innings
C Gayle not out 141
M Graham c Islam b Khan 9
D Ganga c Murtaza b Rahman 0
R Hinds run out (Murtaza) 8
S Joseph c Islam b Rahman 9
R Sarwan c Murtaza b Rahman 0
M Samuels run out (Murtaza) 33
H Pooran c & b Muntasir 14
K Martin run out (Khan) 9
N Chan not out 9
Extras (lb 1, w 10) 11
Total (for 8 wickets, 50 overs) 243

DNB: AI Jan

FoW: 1-41, 2-46, 3-72, 4-94, 5-95, 6-145, 7-173, 8-209.

Bowling O M R W
Chowdhury 4 0 38 0 (w2)
Rahman 10 0 48 3 (w6)
Khan 10 2 32 1
Muntasir 10 0 36 1
Ahsanullah 8 1 42 0 (w1)
Rokon 2 0 16 0 (w1)
Islam 6 0 30 0

Bangladesh Under-19s innings
Hannan Sarkar c Martin b Jan 20
Ehsanul Haque c & b Sarwan 34
Mehrab Hossain c Pooran b Jan 63
Al Sahariar Rokon not out 90
Mushfiqur Rahman b Sarwan 20
Fahim Muntasir not out 2
Extras (b 1, lb 2, w 13) 16
Total (for 4 wickets, 46.5 overs) 245

DNB: Sajal Chowdhury, *Shabbir Khan, Ahsanullah Hasan, Tanvirul Islam,
+Golam Murtaza

FoW: 1-26, 2-75, 3-178, 4-224.

Bowling O M R W
Samuels 9.5 0 60 0 (w1)
Jan 10 0 49 2 (w9)
Gayle 10 0 35 0 (w2)
Hinds 10 0 63 0
Sarwan 7 0 35 2 (w1)

Edited on, February 21, 2005, 1:32 AM GMT, by pagol-chagol.

Edited on, February 21, 2005, 2:53 AM GMT, by pagol-chagol.

[pagol-chagol]

Busta Cup 2001-02 Averages
Bangladesh 'A'


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Batting and Fielding

Name Mat I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St

Mazharul Haque 7 14 0 451 90 32.21 - 3 7 -
Akram Khan 7 14 0 404 72 28.85 - 2 5 -
Hannan Sarkar 7 14 0 345 69 24.64 - 2 4 -
Tareq Aziz 5 10 7 58 12* 19.33 - - 2 -
Ehsanul Haque 7 14 0 263 50 18.78 - 1 10 -
Ahsanullah Hasan 3 6 1 92 37 18.40 - - - -
Mushfiqur Rahman 7 14 1 238 57 18.30 - 2 3 -
Tushar Imran 6 12 0 178 79 14.83 - 1 3 -
Anwar Hossain 7 14 1 192 44 14.76 - - 12 -
Mosaddek Hossain 6 12 1 156 63 14.18 - 1 2 -
Naimur Rahman 7 14 0 165 29 11.78 - - 3 -
Alamgir Kabir 5 10 1 95 27* 10.55 - - 1 -
Anwar Hossain Monir 3 6 3 20 12 6.66 - - 2 -

Bowling

Name Mat O M R W Ave Best 5 10 SR Econ

Ehsanul Haque 7 6 0 11 1 11.00 1-5 - - 36.0 1.83
Ahsanullah Hasan 3 59 8 167 7 23.85 3-29 - - 50.5 2.83
Anwar Hossain Monir 3 85 18 262 10 26.20 4-34 - - 51.0 3.08
Alamgir Kabir 5 105 19 363 12 30.25 4-52 - - 52.5 3.45
Tareq Aziz 5 111 17 405 13 31.15 4-70 - - 51.2 3.64
Mosaddek Hossain 6 224.5 33 677 21 32.23 5-46 2 - 64.2 3.01
Naimur Rahman 7 251.4 60 628 17 36.94 5-31 1 - 88.8 2.49
Mushfiqur Rahman 7 112.5 18 334 7 47.71 2-23 - - 96.7 2.96
Akram Khan 7 2 0 4 0 - - - - - 2.00
Mazharul Haque 7 11 0 46 0 - - - - - 4.18

[pagol-chagol]

What happened? Where did all these players go? I only see Rajin Saleh once in one of the above groups. Everyone else either has become fringe player or invisible man.

Was there a Bermuda Triangle there?

Was that gross mismanagement of talent by the BCCB, bad player selection/talent judgement inability or just lack of talents totally?

Edited on, February 21, 2005, 2:57 AM GMT, by pagol-chagol.

[pagol-chagol]

Do you think If McInnis didn't come the current young generations would have followed the same course?

[nasifkhan]

kothai gayle, sarwan, smith ar rudolf ....ar kothai amader mehrab hossain, rokon, sabbir khan.....

[pagol-chagol]

Originally posted by nasifkhan
kothai gayle, sarwan, smith ar rudolf ....ar kothai amader mehrab hossain, rokon, sabbir khan.....

Even for a top cricketing country its incredibly hard to recover from such vacuum. Imagine if West Indies didn't get Gayle, Hinds, Sarwan, Samuel and so many others from that generation had to bring in a whole bunch of teen agers to their team.

[Sham]

Looking at those scorecards, what happened to Mazharul Huq Mridul? Wasn't he supposed to be one of our better batting prospects?

[pagol-chagol]

Originally posted by Sham
Looking at those scorecards, what happened to Mazharul Huq Mridul? Wasn't he supposed to be one of our better batting prospects?

Whatmore said he wouldn't coach any player heavier than him. So, that was the end. He rocked in Busta cup though.

[sadi]

sajal chowdhury was one fast bowling prospect of bd...dunno wat happened to him.......only rajin came out out good......

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally posted by nasifkhan
kothai gayle, sarwan, smith ar rudolf ....ar kothai amader mehrab hossain, rokon, sabbir khan.....

In the U-19 world cup (when we first won plate championship), Rokon scored 90* in the final and Gayle made 130+ score. But Gayle was proper age for that tournament and Rokon was way over 20 when he played that tournament.

You see, why age cheating is bad? We can have some temporary success in age based competetions, make some age-based world records with age-cheating. But it injects complemency in those players, and their real strength gets revealed in fair situations where age-cheating doesn't help at all.

[Ahmed_B]

It would be really hursh to put all the blame on that generation of 20-25 age!.... Coz I think they are trapped by the BCB's current training format.

There's just 2 distinct part of our Coaching system right now:

1. the National Team coaching under Dav... where only the players who r called for the national tour campaignes are trained.

2.the U-19/Developement Squad under McInnes... where players who hav crossed their 20's are not allowed much!!

Both these groups are having chances to get in touch of these Systematic Coaches and solve their problems plus keep a high moral strength also!

But where is the level whre we can give Coaching to the players from age 20-25, who are not playing in the National Squad naturally?? How are they supposed to upgrade their playing skills to adopt the huge pressure level of the Int.l cricket?? They are supposed to do that all by themselves??

It's probably a vaccume in our Coaching format (BCB Planned) which almost ignores this mid-age group and we can't totally blame the players.

Edited on, February 21, 2005, 5:56 AM GMT, by crickethorizon.

[mwrkhan]

Sajal Chowdhury, not very tall, was fairly quick. Whatever happened to him?

I think the point raised by crickethorizon regarding the limbo faced by our players in the 20-25 age group is a good one.

Maybe one or two players from this age group could be incorporated on a consistent basis in the A squad.

[RazabQ]

Developing countries not being able to translate younger age group success to future national players is not a new phenomenon. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Ghana have often done phenomenally well in U-16 football/soccer worldcups but they've never been able to translate that in to consistent success.

Surely BCB and our lack of a formal infrastructure plays a part of the blame. But the other thing is - until our getting Test status, one could not really contemplate a career in Cricket. I would not be surprised if many of these players just moved on from financial/personal reasons even if they had the aptitude and talent to move on to the national levels.

Personal experience would appear to verify this. Amar kotha baadi dilam, I know a bunch of other talented players whose parents pretty much gave them the "porashuna or the high-road" lecture after HSC/A-Levels - which meant giving up on the sport at a serious level. We aren't the only country - Masakadza quit the Zim team to get his uni degree.

This is why Bashar is so right when he says full Test status is the only way for us to keep growing.

BTW, interesting sidenote. I have played tape-tennis with Brian Lara and Kumara Sangakarra's high-school classmates. Apparently both were big time porashuna fakibaaj. At least in Sangakarra's case, he was smart but didn't want to study. Lara was apparently not terribly bright at all

Edited on, February 21, 2005, 6:49 AM GMT, by razabq.

[little_master]

Originally posted by crickethorizon
But where is the level whre we can give Coaching to the players from age 20-25, who are not playing in the National Squad naturally?? How are they supposed to upgrade their playing skills to adopt the huge pressure level of the Int.l cricket?? They are supposed to do that all by themselves??

It's probably a vaccume in our Coaching format (BCB Planned) which almost ignores this mid-age group and we can't totally blame the players.

Edited on, February 21, 2005, 5:56 AM GMT, by crickethorizon.

You said my words. BCB is totally ignoring the middle aged players...Rokon, Mazharul Haque Mridul, Apee.........

[Orpheus]

Originally posted by pagol-chagol

Whatmore said he wouldn't coach any player heavier than him. So, that was the end. He rocked in Busta cup though.

how much is he by pounds... and I don't mean british pounds.

[pagol-chagol]

Originally posted by little_master

You said my words. BCB is totally ignoring the middle aged players...Rokon, Mazharul Haque Mridul, Apee.........

So, most of you think, its not lack of talent. Its lack of resources in our cricket system, right?