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Old January 25, 2010, 01:50 PM
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Default Our key to winning test matches is not batting

Not for us anyway. I know that the conventional wisdom is that we have to improve batting at the top of the order and I agree, that needs to happen. But that can only happen with time.

What was the key failure that put us behind in both matches?

CATCHES.

Crucial catches and no-balls cost us the wickets of Tendulkar, Dravid, you name it. Tendulkar went on to score centuries in both matches after being dropped. Had the catches been held we could have taken a first innings lead in the first test against India and dented the lead they have put in in the second.

Our pace trio are bowling excellently and they will get even better as they improve in their line and length. We have some talented top order players such as Tamim and Junaid, and as they keep playing their performance against the new ball will also improve.

But there is simply no excuse for dropped catches in tests. Fielding is one aspect of cricket that can be addressed the most quickly. If I were Siddons I would focus on this like a laser. Bring in specialist fielding and catching coaches and give it equal, if not a greater chunk of the practice compared to bowling and batting.

Catches win matches. Period.
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Old January 25, 2010, 02:06 PM
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Old January 25, 2010, 02:18 PM
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oh good. when I saw the title I thought the argument was that BD shouldn't bat at all because the batsman don't score too many runs anyway, so why bother ?
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Old January 25, 2010, 02:27 PM
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You can have catching practice all day long, but without batting it is useless.

The key to win test is: bat ball fielding. you cannot single out one or the other.
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Old January 25, 2010, 02:30 PM
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Since we are looking for a KEY

How about "Concentration"? That key fits in every aspect of the game.
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Old January 25, 2010, 02:40 PM
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this catching thing is merely a problem of confidence.
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Old January 25, 2010, 02:45 PM
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Shob gulare gamcha poraye Burigangar majhe namay den maach dhorte. Khali haate pichla maach dhorte parle cricket maathey catch dhora kisui na.
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Old January 25, 2010, 02:50 PM
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this catching thing is merely a problem of confidence.
Yeah. More often than not, the catches seem to go to individuals who are short on confidence, and they spill it on cue. Its a cruel game.
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Old January 25, 2010, 02:52 PM
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Shob gulare gamcha poraye Burigangar majhe namay den maach dhorte. Khali haate pichla maach dhorte parle cricket maathey catch dhora kisui na.
abar ki dhorte giya ki dhoira felbe.....astagfirullah
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Old January 25, 2010, 02:56 PM
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amader player der lungi pore khela uchit, tahole ball haath theke pore geleo lungir vithor atke thakbe.
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Old January 25, 2010, 03:01 PM
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amader player der lungi pore khela uchit, tahole ball haath theke pore geleo lungir vithor atke thakbe.
lungi diya catch dhora jaez asey, kintu matha'r uporay ball utley?
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Old January 25, 2010, 03:11 PM
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lungi diya catch dhora jaez asey, kintu matha'r uporay ball utley?
Maather moddhe fielding maartey giye polapainer jodi pant khuila jaay (re: that New Zealand player who lost his pants making a diving on the boundary), tahole lungi khulte oshubidha ki?
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Old January 25, 2010, 03:18 PM
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lungi diya catch dhora jaez asey, kintu matha'r uporay ball utley?
Eto gulu ball nyie chinta korle hobe na, shudhu cricket ball nyie chinta kora lagbe cricket match khelte gele.
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Old January 25, 2010, 03:38 PM
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Rokibul cost us the match ; batting failure , then drops sitters
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Old January 25, 2010, 03:40 PM
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abar ki dhorte giya ki dhoira felbe.....astagfirullah
lmao...

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yeah raqibul should've taken that catch, but we should also improve bowling too to _make opportunities_ for more catches. i still wonder if the toss decision was a right one either.
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Old January 25, 2010, 05:27 PM
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Old January 25, 2010, 05:42 PM
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Nope! It's batting, batting and batting.

If we can put loss out of the equation by posting good totals on the board, the rest will be in place with time. We have a semi-decent bowling attack which is getting better and we aren't the worst fielding side of the world.

Posting 400+ scores regularly is the first and only key to winning Test matches for a team like Bangladesh which is short in confidence.
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Old January 25, 2010, 05:58 PM
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Nope! It's batting, batting and batting.

If we can put loss out of the equation by posting good totals on the board, the rest will be in place with time. We have a semi-decent bowling attack which is getting better and we aren't the worst fielding side of the world.

Posting 400+ scores regularly is the first and only key to winning Test matches for a team like Bangladesh which is short in confidence.
Yeah but how likely is that on a relatively short term? I think we are at least 5 years away from regularly posting 400+ scores at the rate we are progressing.
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Old January 25, 2010, 06:13 PM
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All I want is some fair umpiring....these umpires are killing us.

First Moni, and now this Sharfuddullah? Shahadat was NOT out or at least not conclusive,
but he did not get a benefit of doubt from the home team 3rd umpire...
We need to ban all the BD umpires. They think taking touring side
will win them elite panel maembership...idiots

All the close matches were lost (Fatullah, Multan etc) are due to unfair umpiring...
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Old January 25, 2010, 06:22 PM
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The problem for BD umpires is lack of spine and lust for bigger pay check.

For some strange reason they think that giving decisions against Bangladesh and not giving them against established Test nations will help them to secure more matches from ICC. Our umpires are biased to the visiting team. They don't understand that a mistake is always counted as a mistake, the opposition doesn't matter. They didn't get any promotion from ICC and didn't get any appointment involving other Test playing nations. And if they continue in this fasion, they will never get these opportunities.

You need spines to succeed at international umpiring.
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Exactly! And then they ask for a pay raise! I mean get your act together first.
Umpiring may not be an easy job on the field, but how hard it is to make a right decision
watching TV replay? Benefit of doubts go to batsman, in our case it goes to visiting team.
Only umpire I saw with Spine was Nadir Shah.
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Old January 25, 2010, 08:59 PM
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lungi diya catch dhora jaez asey, kintu matha'r uporay ball utley?
lungi tule..... ok, let's not go there !
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Old January 25, 2010, 09:03 PM
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Yeah but how likely is that on a relatively short term? I think we are at least 5 years away from regularly posting 400+ scores at the rate we are progressing.
selectors should look to bring back some of the top order players like rajin saleh and nafis iqbal who have been playing domestic cricket after being dropped from national side. I think they will have matured by now and will give good service to BD.
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No matter how good you bat, in order to win a test one MUST pick 20 wickets. And this is where we have to improve. 20 wickets means bowling+fielding.
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Old January 26, 2010, 12:05 AM
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No matter how good you bat, in order to win a test one MUST pick 20 wickets. And this is where we have to improve. 20 wickets means bowling+fielding.
thats right. bat when u bat good like if BD had scored 400 in the 1st innings instead of 233, then the bowlers have much confidence, the opponent batters are in pressure, and that gives the bowlers much chance.

well we may not be good enough to take 20 wickets but we are good enough to post bigger scores and bat more sessions and giving opponents less time and more pressure to force games
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