We're better than Australia

[Spitfire_x86]

In terms of dropping catches

[Tasin]

Nice "catch", Spitfire_x86 !

[Akib]

Very nice and VERY true.

[jabbar]

You burst my bubble dude... I clicked to here thinking you were serious, but I should have guessed that you are very sarcastic :P

I might also add that BD are also better than Australia at:
* Getting bowled out for less than 200 runs
* Conceding 400+ runs
* Losing

To all of yu die - hard fans, please don't me mad - we are only making fun!

[couger]

How nice, we can rest peascefully now.

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally posted by jabbarI might also add that BD are also better than Australia at:
* Getting bowled out for less than 200 runs
* Conceding 400+ runs
* Losing

These are all negetive records and old. But now we are ahead of Australia (and 4 more test teams) in a positive record.

[cricket_pagla_fan]

Well Nice Say Man

[couger]

Actually this is a misleading table. I would look at dropped catches per innings. Australians routinely get the opposition out twice whlie they bat less than two innings. So lets say they're playing Zimbabwe and win by an inning and some runs. This would mean in two innings they dropped about 4 catches, 2 per innings. I would like to see a table that averages dropped catches per innings.

[fwullah]

I thought we were the champions in dropping catches!?!?!

Anyway, its nice to know that we're actually better than I had imagined.

[Spitfire_x86]

Australian bowling can create lot of chances, plus they get lot of lbws. So few drop catches doesn't matter much for them.

[bourny3]

hahha i thought that this was a strange title for a thread when i saw it. But now i understand.

[cricket_pagla]

I disagree.. may be we're not good enough in Cricket against Aussies.. But we're way ahead in Chess

[Daddy_Mac]

You wish..........
Some day may be ..................
But that day is far away in the future.............

[couger]

Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Australian bowling can create lot of chances, plus they get lot of lbws. So few drop catches doesn't matter much for them.

Right.

[opu_87]

we have got 147 runs in 2003 against austrlia but i think they should have bowled as out under 100 but they couldent bowled us out because they are best team in the world at the moment.
i say we will get better than them

Edited on, March 10, 2005, 1:34 PM GMT, by opu_87.

[Dawah]

Australia does not need to catch balls, their bowlers will clean bowl anyways.

[nihi]

This table is questionable in couple of ways.

Firstly, what is the definition of a missed catch? Let's classify the missed catches first:

1. Fielder touches the ball and then drops it:
Scenarios:
a. The ball comes directly into fielder's hand, who just messes up the fortune in disbelieve (like Bashar did).
b. The ball passes by the fielder, trying hard not to be noticed, but too close for bowler not to pat the ball, and that's all he does.
c. The ball flys miles away, but a jaunty fielder trys to make inrhodes raising a huge din in the gallery just to be followed by a sudden hush. The fallen guy give his hand a rub or two.

2. Fielder can't manage to touch the ball:
Scenarios:
d: The ball comes directly towards the fielder, who was meticulously chewing on some juicy grass (or weed) and ends up wondering what a micro-landmine could've been doing in the long leg region.
e: The ball passes by the fielder and either the sleeve gets stuck on to the elbow or the wretched hand recollects some previous catastrophe and thusbarely manages to feel a breeze.
f: The ball flys a mile away, and a jaunty fielder does the same, only to wonder when his fingers became so wide apart.
g: The ball flys a mile away, and a not so jaunty fielder continues biting his nail and enjoys a flight show.
h: The ball flys 10 miles away from the fielder, the fielder dives nevertheless, just to show the skipper how much he is giving.

So the question is, do we call something a missed catch even if the fielder doesn't manage to touch it? If we do, then how far we consider to be a probable catch. Is it the distance by which the catch was missed? If so, then how we mitigate between scenario 'f' and 'g'? If we consider whether the fielder was attempting or not (like in LBW), then how we resolve the scenario 'h'? Seems like players like Jonty Rhodes can really redefine missed catches. Since we cannot be sure about what we will call a missed catch, I will be writing missed catches in single quotes.



Secondly, simply the number of 'missed catches' per test should not be a way to grade fielding teams. Because, number of catches you hold to (or miss) will also depend upon how many catches your getting, which very much depends upon the the bowler and the batsman. Also, as others have pointed out, not all team gets same number of overs to bowl as to create more chances for catches (though, teams bowling less overs mean that they are better bowlers, and they should create chances more often then other teams anyway. But this is making the comparison more subjetive nevertheless). So, a better way should've been to show the percentage of 'missed catches' relative to total number of 'probable catches'.

[Fazal]

We're better than Australia

Who are you? Let me guess, hmmmm ... Taibu?

[nihi]

Originally posted by Fazal
We're better than Australia

Who are you? Let me guess, hmmmm ... Taibu?

Sure we are.... despite... whatever

[Shehwar]

If there was ever a misleading thread this has got to be the one.....cheers dude.....

[couger]

Originally posted by Shehwar
If there was ever a misleading thread this has got to be the one.....cheers dude.....

[Tintin]

The batsman dropped most times in 2004 was Majural Islam Rana of Bangladesh, 9 times.

The bowler suffering the most dropped catches off his bowling was also from Bangladesh, Mohammad Rafique, with 13 dropped catches. Only 18 catches were successfully taken off his bowling.

TT Samaraweera of Sri Lanka scored 516 runs during the year without benefiting from a dropped catch (that I can find). Adam Gilchrist was only dropped once in his 837 runs.

Source : Charles Davis

[Akib]

I also say we hav the record for most innings lost compared to matches played.

[Mav]

Everbody drop catches...

Bangladesh is probably better fielding side than Australia.

[AsifTheManRahman]

Australia in New Zealand 2004-05

Australia drop the ball over skills training

Cricinfo staff

March 16, 2005





Shane Warne dropped a simple catch at Christchurch and also watched Michael Clarke spill one from his own bowling ?Getty Images



Australia's skills training is neglected on tour and is one of the reasons for a spate of dropped catches, according to the coach John Buchanan. The slips catching has declined since the days of Mark Taylor and Mark Waugh, and it has been so bad this season that 15 of the remarkably high 18 misses in the past five Tests have come from the cordon.

Buchanan said the record was a worry but travel and lack of time reduced the emphasis placed on catching. "One of the difficulties for a side that's been on tour since mid-August is that the skill training is neglected because we're in competition all the time," he told The Australian. "Things like slips catching, even though we do a fair amount of it, are limited in terms of the length of time we can do it. You can also notice that our hit ratio on the stumps probably peaks somewhere in the middle of the season and tails off towards the end."

Buchanan said a touring side didn't have the luxury of spending two or three days in hard training before resting, and by the end of the season it was more of a problem. In the first Test against New Zealand last week Matthew Hayden, Justin Langer and Shane Warne dropped easy catches while Michael Clarke spilled a sharp rebounding effort at first slip off Warne. Australia's cordon was rearranged to cope with Matthew Hayden's injured right shoulder, but he should return to his usual position at gully for the second Test starting at Wellington on Friday.

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