Scoring Centuries vs Bermuda and Zimbabwe is great but try scoring against better opposition!

cricman · #1 March 21, 2007, 04:50 PM

I Remember "I'd take 10 SN's over 10 Ash's anytime", you know what SN is a genuine Minnow Basher in ODI, this World cup he's scored what 1 run in two matches vs India and Sri Lanka, and I bet he's going to score an unbeaten century vs Bermuda on the 24th. And Mushy at 3? I want to learn when did he start taking lessons from Sunil Gavaskar and Ashraful at 7 is the biggest Waste In all of Cricket. Is Hablu and mushy a better batsmen than Ashraful? Habibul should swallow his pride and Let Ash bat at 5.

Ash/Tamim/Rafique and Aftab get a passing grade for this match mainly because Ash/Aftab/Tamim had the Grapefruits to play attacking shots and they actually knew how to field and made so splendid plays.

amethyst · #2 March 21, 2007, 05:12 PM

hmm Tamim pulled a four, made 6 off 7. And isn't this Rafique's last WC? Hopefully, Hablu's too. And Nafees needs to get his act right. Our captain and co-captain are so lame! can't take the control when the team needs it the most!

arafath79 · #3 March 21, 2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cricman
I Remember "I'd take 10 SN's over 10 Ash's anytime", you know what SN is a genuine Minnow Basher in ODI, this World cup he's scored what 1 run in two matches vs India and Sri Lanka, and I bet he's going to score an unbeaten century vs Bermuda on the 24th. And Mushy at 3? I want to learn when did he start taking lessons from Sunil Gavaskar and Ashraful at 7 is the biggest Waste In all of Cricket. Is Hablu and mushy a better batsmen than Ashraful? Habibul should swallow his pride and Let Ash bat at 5.

Ash/Tamim/Rafique and Aftab get a passing grade for this match mainly because Ash/Aftab/Tamim had the Grapefruits to play attacking shots and they actually knew how to field and made so splendid plays.

hehehehe ....u bet he will score unbeaten century against bermuda in this WC ??

May be he will.

Murad · #4 March 21, 2007, 06:02 PM

ashraful showed his classs today.....after long time..we saw him playing nice shots..

but shahriar nafees..man.. hes stupid.. baaje team er sathe run korte parbe...but valo team er sathe.. zero r zero... i thought hes the one whos gonna be consistent in batting.. but i guess my thoughts are wrong...

Rubu · #5 March 21, 2007, 06:30 PM

Yes, but not one, but three players who everyone thinks are superstars are yet to prove their worth against quality opponents. I would have to leave India game out of this equation because that was an exception: SN, Shakib and Razzak.

BostonTigers · #6 March 21, 2007, 06:39 PM

I think Ashraful showed come in at 2nd down because he has the talent and the ability to pace the innings. I think he has matured as a cricketer and will be very effective as the pace setter in the middle overs. Saqibul is good but he is yet very young to take that kind of responsibility. Definately Ash so down the order is not productive for the team.

Yet it must be noted that all the batsmen totally failed today and thus put Bangladesh in such an awkward situation. I think we all knew that BD won't be able to get the 300+ total, instead if the batsmen would have batted sensibly and got around 250 or so, the RR difference with India would not have been as great as it is now. Let's all pray that we get the easy pass to the super 8's with SRL beating IND.

jabbar · #7 March 21, 2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cricman
I Remember "I'd take 10 SN's over 10 Ash's anytime", you know what SN is a genuine Minnow Basher in ODI, this World cup he's scored what 1 run in two matches vs India and Sri Lanka, and I bet he's going to score an unbeaten century vs Bermuda on the 24th. And Mushy at 3? I want to learn when did he start taking lessons from Sunil Gavaskar and Ashraful at 7 is the biggest Waste In all of Cricket. Is Hablu and mushy a better batsmen than Ashraful? Habibul should swallow his pride and Let Ash bat at 5.

Ash/Tamim/Rafique and Aftab get a passing grade for this match mainly because Ash/Aftab/Tamim had the Grapefruits to play attacking shots and they actually knew how to field and made so splendid plays.

uurrm... didn't shariar nafees score a century against australia?

BostonTigers · #8 March 21, 2007, 07:09 PM

That century is in the test match which is very different, but I think Shahriar nafees has the talent and the class to be a great opener for BD. He is just going through a bad patch in this WC but that should not make us think that he is awful, the other BD batsmen need to step in when SN is not able to give BD a proper start.

Mahir · #9 March 21, 2007, 07:53 PM

there it starts again... now the game against India has quickly turned into an exception. Wah!

al Furqaan · #10 March 21, 2007, 08:09 PM

it was just one innings from ash...yes he is in form, but lets not tinker with our set lineup after just 2 games (and 1 loss)...it worked against india and it will work again.

kaisermatin · #11 March 21, 2007, 08:14 PM

SN is a big flop in this WC. may be 2011 will be one to show his batting if he is around

samjad · #12 March 21, 2007, 08:22 PM

Comon guys.. we came in this world cup hoping for two wins(which on a normal day will take us to second round!).. I think bd team did the job.
Loosing against SL was on the card all along..

sadi · #13 March 21, 2007, 08:34 PM

Here starts bashing.

Protic · #14 March 21, 2007, 08:55 PM

SN is just going through bad times.. he's a minnow basher..but not that he doesnt score runs against good opposition.

Duck · #15 March 21, 2007, 09:05 PM

haha............here we go again! Start bashing for so-called-soul-searching!!

By the way did you find the soul? BD team is an enigma, so as its fans!!
bo-bo-bo korey fander mood ghoorey!

cricman · #16 March 22, 2007, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by al Furqaan
it was just one innings from ash...yes he is in form, but lets not tinker with our set lineup after just 2 games (and 1 loss)...it worked against india and it will work again.

Chasing 300 and SN does us the great favor of scoring 0 runs but to top that we have Mushifiq playing a Khaled Mashud type innings 6(32) and the second he opens up Dilshan took a catch, but he should been playing those cuts in the beginning of his innings

Chasing a low target I don't mind seeing Mushy at 3, but Hablu shouldn't bat ahead Ash

Spitfire_x86 · #17 March 22, 2007, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mahir
there it starts again... now the game against India has quickly turned into an exception. Wah!

That match was exception.

Anyone who believes otherwise is only fooling himself.

Shehwar · #18 March 22, 2007, 05:31 AM

Give SN a break please guys!....He just got two very good balls in two matches...thats all.....The guy is a class act.....Did u see how Vaas got him out out yesterday..?....Three picture perfect out swingers and then an unplayable in swinger which came in very very sharply.....No need to say he is a minnow basher....Unless you guys consider The Aussies minnows!

Spitfire_x86 · #19 March 22, 2007, 05:34 AM

Let's not forget that Ash's 45* was not really of a useful innings. He got some runs when the fate of the match was sealed, and both him and the Srilankans player were playing without any pressure.

So was Sakib's 67* against Srilanka in CT. But Ashraful's innnings was better, he was far more in control, and numbers also prove that it was a better paced innings. If one valueless 67* can cement the #4 slot for Sakib, then Ash should definately bat at #5 or higher. #6 or #7 is not the place for him. Mushy is not a #3/top order material. Playing him at #3 was a sensible gamble against India, and it paid off. His regular batting position should be #6 or #7. And I agree with cricman, Bashar should just swallow his pride and bat at #6 or #7. He doesn't like batting at #3 in ODIs anymore, and now we have Aftab, who isn't bad for that position when he gets going. There is just no place for Bashar in the ODI team really. He's there mainly because we still need a senior pro as captain.

Spitfire_x86 · #20 March 22, 2007, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Shehwar
Give SN a break please guys!....He just got two very good balls in two matches...thats all.....The guy is a class act.....Did u see how Vaas got him out out yesterday..?....Three picture perfect out swingers and then an unplayable in swinger which came in very very sharply.....No need to say he is a minnow basher....Unless you guys consider The Aussies minnows!

It is perfectly right to criticize SN. If a batsman's job is getting out to a good ball whenever he faces one, then what's the difference between a specialist batsman and a tailender? In both occasions he was guilty of not playing with his bat.

In ODIs, so far he played ZERO innings that had any impact on the result of match apart from that 75 against Australia in his first ODI series.

Warlock · #21 March 22, 2007, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cricman
I Remember "I'd take 10 SN's over 10 Ash's anytime", you know what SN is a genuine Minnow Basher in ODI, this World cup he's scored what 1 run in two matches vs India and Sri Lanka, and I bet he's going to score an unbeaten century vs Bermuda on the 24th. And Mushy at 3? I want to learn when did he start taking lessons from Sunil Gavaskar and Ashraful at 7 is the biggest Waste In all of Cricket. Is Hablu and mushy a better batsmen than Ashraful? Habibul should swallow his pride and Let Ash bat at 5.

Ash/Tamim/Rafique and Aftab get a passing grade for this match mainly because Ash/Aftab/Tamim had the Grapefruits to play attacking shots and they actually knew how to field and made so splendid plays.

Furstrated, are we!?

Shahriar Nafees is a genuine minnow-basher but he is also a decent player against other big teams too. Minnow-basher or not, how many people have 4 centuries in a career that barely spans a couple of years? His efforts (albeit mostly against the minnows) brought a lot of notice from the cricketing community for Bangladesh.
I am also pissed off at the performance against SL. But hey why are we fans for? We got to support the team through good times and bad times, right? And being BD fans we have more practice in containing our frustrations than other teams fans, right?

I don't want to sound like Hablu in his Prothom Alo interview. But I will say we have more or less done what we wanted to do in the WC. Completing an expected win over Bermuda will give us 4 points. If India wins against Srilanka (which is 50-50) they will still have 4 points, like us. In that case the runrate will see them through. But hey- just think, BD fighting neck to neck to Ind and Sl and giving them a hard time all the way, it is not so bad- is it?
About Ashraful- I think he is regaining his form. He is finally showing the hints to fulfil the talents that he has aplenty. But we know putting too much pressure on Ash will do no good. (When I am talking about pressure I mean "Fan Pressure", I don't think Ash is scared of the opponent players, but he can chicken-out from the expectations that we place on him).
SO keep the fingers crossed, may be tomorrow will be a better day. SL may give the same medicine to our Indian friends that they administered to us. Then we will see...

Shehwar · #22 March 22, 2007, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire_x86
It is perfectly right to criticize SN. If a batsman's job is getting out to a good ball whenever he faces one, then what's the difference between a specialist batsman and a tailender? In both occasions he was guilty of not playing with his bat.

In ODIs, so far he played ZERO innings that had any impact on the result of match apart from that 75 against Australia in his first ODI series.

I understand your frustrations. Im sure you have played some sort cricket or still do...You can be in the form of your life and score a 0 and a 1.....and you can also be in the worst possible form of you r life and still scratch ur way to fifties if things go ur way...The guy just got two very good balls...dont u get it?.....He did not throw his wicket away unlike some other players we have got....There would be days when one will get 12 unplayable balls and get away with all of them..either missing the ball or getting away with lucky lbw decisions or catches being dropped of him....This will not make any sense to you unless u have seen both his dismissals.....I have and I know what I am talking about and I have a fair bit knowledge of playing and knowing the game.....Two bad knocks and we start bashing our players is not the attitude one shud have...

mhj007 · #23 March 22, 2007, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Shehwar
I understand your frustrations. Im sure you have played some sort cricket or still do...You can be in the form of your life and score a 0 and a 1.....and you can also be in the worst possible form of you r life and still scratch ur way to fifties if things go ur way...The guy just got two very good balls...dont u get it?.....He did not throw his wicket away unlike some other players we have got....There would be days when one will get 12 unplayable balls and get away with all of them..either missing the ball or getting away with lucky lbw decisions or catches being dropped of him....This will not make any sense to you unless u have seen both his dismissals.....I have and I know what I am talking about and I have a fair bit knowledge of playing and knowing the game.....Two bad knocks and we start bashing our players is not the attitude one shud have...

i agree with you.from the first ball of indian innings i understood that sn is not in good form at all.he is having a bad time,but u know he is a very good batsman for our team.we cant bash him after two bad knocks.there have been times when sachin was awful for three four or more innings.so,be patient with shahrira also.
Junior

CTazim · #24 March 22, 2007, 08:35 AM

The problem is Dav Whatmore and Habibul Bashar. In order for the team to go to the next level new leadership is needed.

CTazim · #25 March 22, 2007, 08:36 AM

P.S. Sri Lanka knew it and that is why they did not renew his contract!!