Bangladesh will commission first ever 2 submarines on 12th march

[Vixen]

The two submarines, first of its kind, bought from China at a cost of $203 million, reached Chittagong port jetty on December 22, 2016. They were shifted to navy submarine jetty after two days, the navy officials said.

http://www.newagebd.net/article/1058...ed-on-march-12

[Vixen]

Congrats to BC forum members and Bangladesh Navy.

[bujhee kom]

Much thanks Vixen, great news.

Nuclear powered or diesel powered, do you know?

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by bujhee kom
Much thanks Vixen, great news.

Nuclear powered or diesel powered, do you know?

welcome bro.

these are diesel powered submarines. These are the Type 35G Ming class submarines that Bangladesh bought from China.

IMO , a good choice.



and The sale of nuclear submarines isn't allowed as per international law. but a country can lease a nuclear submarine from others , like indian navy have russian nuclear submarines on lease.

[roman]

Heard it's a 70s model and refurbished in the 90s. Can anyone please share some real info on this?

Just don't want to see another Mig case

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by roman
Heard it's a 70s model and refurbished in the 90s. Can anyone please share some real info on this?

Just don't want to see another Mig case

these are Type 35G Ming class submarines, total 12 were built from 1990-2000s era.
this variant of submarine is first of its kind for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) role in Type 35G ming class. ASW plays a huge role in this era if its supported by proper AWACS. it will be a huge punch from Bangladesh navy if you add AWACS.

[tonmoy.dhaka]

Originally Posted by roman
Heard it's a 70s model and refurbished in the 90s. Can anyone please share some real info on this?

Just don't want to see another Mig case

You can read up on the submarine here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_035_submarine

Bangladesh bought the variant type 35G.

These are mainly being used as Training Subs. As per forces Goal 2030 Bangladesh plans to procure couple more advanced version sub before 2030.

[roman]

Good info. Thanks to both of you

[Mas_UK25]

Old news, heard and discussed about this on defence thread. But good to see it's opened here, being discussed about it. Credit to op opening the thread.

Good job, BA. Credit to SHW and AL. More needed to strengthen the army,navy, border security. Yes, that's right, the way world is heading, no one can be trusted. No harm, in being ready for anything.

[mufi_02]

I wonder if these luxuries are good for a third world country. These millions of dollars could have been better spent of roads/infrastructures and other job creating programs.

[tonmoy.dhaka]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
I wonder if these luxuries are good for a third world country. These millions of dollars could have been better spent of roads/infrastructures and other job creating programs.

You are right, I hate Defense spending. Whenever I see the cantonment in the middle of Dhaka city, it really pisses me off. We had to delay our metro rail project because of objection from the army. I would rather spend the money on Police/RAB (people who actually fight for ordinary citizens) than Army/navy/air-force.

[Roy_1]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
I wonder if these luxuries are good for a third world country. These millions of dollars could have been better spent of roads/infrastructures and other job creating programs.

Nothing wrong in defense spending, with growing economy a robust defense force is a must, no matter how friendly your neighborhood is.

In India too many are skeptic about our defense expenditures, but national security comes first especially when we have two nuclear powers who are armed to the teeth with conventional weapons as well is casting evil eyes upon our territories.

[Jadukor]

Originally Posted by Roy_1
Nothing wrong in defense spending, with growing economy a robust defense force is a must, no matter how friendly your neighborhood is.

In India too many are skeptic about our defense expenditures, but national security comes first especially when we have two nuclear powers who are armed to the teeth with conventional weapons as well is casting evil eyes upon our territories.

Spending on national security can be a good move but I am not sure submarines should be our top priority. A military confrontation with India or Pakistan or China is not really an option for Bangladesh. Myanmar is the only one, probably, to worry about and I suppose that is why we are beefing up the Navy.

However in terms of priority, I would rather see us spending more money on modernizing our Police Force and Counter Terrorism Units rather than buying submarines.

[shoibboshach]

Utter waste of poor peoples money. Corrupt politicians would make millions. I am not a defense expert but I don't think most countries would need submarines- definitely not Bangladesh. This money should be spent on employment, education, health or other infrastructures -Not wasted on "defense".

[shoibboshach]

Originally Posted by Vixen
these are Type 35G Ming class submarines, total 12 were built from 1990-2000s era.
this variant of submarine is first of its kind for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) role in Type 35G ming class. ASW plays a huge role in this era if its supported by proper AWACS. it will be a huge punch from Bangladesh navy if you add AWACS.

I am sorry but why many Pakistanis are so obsessed with these military toys? Does it make your country or any country for that matter more safer or advanced than it is?

Why hand over your country's hard earned cash to a murderous war and death merchant? Military spending isn't going to make your country or my country more safer. It will make our countries more poorer and our enemies richer.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by shoibboshach
I am sorry but why many Pakistanis are so obsessed with these military toys? Does it make your country or any country for that matter more safer or advanced than it is?

Why hand over your country's hard earned cash to a murderous war and death merchant? Military spending isn't going to make your country or my country more safer. It will make our countries more poorer and our enemies richer.

no one is obsessed, its the need of the hour.

bro, look at our geographical location, we have borders with 2 nuclear states, china and india , others are Afghanistan which is destabilized from last 70+ yrs, and iran which have enemies around the world looking to invade it anytime.

in this era, one should have a maximum conventional capabilities for any conflict. such as Turkey etc
or one should have minimum nuclear capabilites such as Pakistan.


becoz without it, a country survival is on stake, whether they like it or not.
just look what happend to Iraq, Libya etc

its not about only military spending, its also about self reliance on your own. in military tech with ToT agreements etc.

with ToT now pakistan is selling, jets, training aircrafts, military tanks , MRAPs , UAVs , Radars etc.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Spending on national security can be a good move but I am not sure submarines should be our top priority. A military confrontation with India or Pakistan or China is not really an option for Bangladesh. Myanmar is the only one, probably, to worry about and I suppose that is why we are beefing up the Navy.

However in terms of priority, I would rather see us spending more money on modernizing our Police Force and Counter Terrorism Units rather than buying submarines.

bro, just want to correct one thing here, china or pakistan isnt your enemy, and you dont need submarines for myanmar, you can handle them without it.
but you have borders with india, and india is the only one whos objecting to have you these submarines.
submarines isnt a defensive system,they are offensive weapons, and you are going to get more submarines in future.
i am sure Bangladesh army knows better whos friend and foes in this region in the future.

[mufi_02]

Originally Posted by Roy_1
Nothing wrong in defense spending, with growing economy a robust defense force is a must, no matter how friendly your neighborhood is.

In India too many are skeptic about our defense expenditures, but national security comes first especially when we have two nuclear powers who are armed to the teeth with conventional weapons as well is casting evil eyes upon our territories.

I don't think Bangladesh's national security is under threat from her neighbors or regional powers. I would hate to be entangled or get caught between Ind/Pak fights. They can fight among themselves and enhance their nuclear arsenals (which is so unnecessary to begin with when half of the country is still dirt poor).

I would rather have millions of people getting out of impoverished poverty than to have a nuclear weapon or first class defense just for the sake of "protecting our borders".

[NoName]

It's a waste, if we were to get into a war with any of our neighbors they can very well carpet sweep us in a matter of hours, these submarines won't do jack.

Lol @ using it for Myannmar

[tonmoy.dhaka]

Originally Posted by NoName
It's a waste, if we were to get into a war with any of our neighbors they can very well carpet sweep us in a matter of hours, these submarines won't do jack.

Lol @ using it for Myannmar

Here is the thing. You need a boogeyman in order to demand that they buy you expensive toys. For Bangladesh, Myanmar is the boogeyman. For Pakistan, India is the boogeyman. For India, China is the boogeyman. For China, USA is the boogeyman.

Anyways truth be told, Bangladesh cannot be invaded by any country. It can be obliterated (using nukes) but cannot be invaded. You can bring all your advanced weaponry, but with those you can only kill people not rule people.

[Shingara]

Originally Posted by tonmoy.dhaka
You are right, I hate Defense spending. Whenever I see the cantonment in the middle of Dhaka city, it really pisses me off. We had to delay our metro rail project because of objection from the army. I would rather spend the money on Police/RAB (people who actually fight for ordinary citizens) than Army/navy/air-force.

We delayed our metro rail because of an unused BAF airport. BAF complained and it was then classed as a domestic airport but no domestic flights have yet to fly from here.

You want to spen money on BD police. Bhai, matha thik asey to ? Policerey taka diley ora ki vodro professional hoye jabey ? AHAHAHAHAH

[shoibboshach]

Originally Posted by Vixen
no one is obsessed, its the need of the hour.

bro, look at our geographical location, we have borders with 2 nuclear states, china and india , others are Afghanistan which is destabilized from last 70+ yrs, and iran which have enemies around the world looking to invade it anytime.

in this era, one should have a maximum conventional capabilities for any conflict. such as Turkey etc
or one should have minimum nuclear capabilites such as Pakistan.


becoz without it, a country survival is on stake, whether they like it or not.
just look what happend to Iraq, Libya etc

its not about only military spending, its also about self reliance on your own. in military tech with ToT agreements etc.

with ToT now pakistan is selling, jets, training aircrafts, military tanks , MRAPs , UAVs , Radars etc.

Dear Vixen brother, Bangladesh most certainly doesn't share border with China or Afghanistan. Stocking nukes or arming yourself to teeth is still an utter waste of nation's resources and rich boys pass time -almost akin to hunting games for trophies and sticking those on the walls. The drama of the "cold war" was great for both the Soviet and US military complexes and, of course, the big Bankers. The fact is despite the proliferation of nukes and conventional weaponry the mighty old Soviet Union disintergrated and Russia today only serves as the much needed Big Bad Guy (beside the Terrorists) so that the corrupt (big) governments may continue squandering nations resources and poor taxpayers money. Please read up on how Nuclear technology was leaked to the Soviets by the US and read between the lines and ask yourself some probing questions.

Coming back to regional history, Bangladesh was never invaded by India or China. It was Pakistani military who invaded Bangladesh, committed genocide and rape on mass scale. Pakistan still owes us an official apology. The fact is Pak government and army has committed historical crimes and blunders and continues to do so till this day. Pak publics are duped and oblivious to this. They must realize that their goverment and the army isn't a benevolent one. In fact, it is one of the most corrupt in the world. You guys really need to wake up. This isn't meant to be Pak bash post but your country is in a mess. I sincerely hope Pak public will forgo their arm fetishes and instead hold their army and government responsible for current mess and instability.

The future is not built on an Arms Race. If Libya and Iraq (or Soviet) with all their petro-dollars and advanced infrastructures couldn't survive the International Mafia, I'm sure Bangladesh or Pakistan will not either. The future belongs to making regional political and economical treaties with China and India. There are only mutual benefits in this. China and India are both old high civilisations and knows very well what will bring their nations stability, peace and prosperity. India -with all her modern problems and shortcomings -shouldn't be automatically seen as a foe. We have so much cultural and historical commonalities. We must remind India about her glorious history, tradition and culture and the danger of the current unholy alliance with the NWO for short term benefits (traditional Indian culture is crumbling fast). We should cooperate with each other for our mutual benefits and not be antagonistic towards each other. A reasonable mind should be able to grasp this without much difficulties.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by shoibboshach
Dear Vixen brother, Bangladesh most certainly doesn't share border with China or Afghanistan. Stocking nukes or arming yourself to teeth is still an utter waste of nation's resources and rich boys pass time -almost akin to hunting games for trophies and sticking those on the walls. The drama of the "cold war" was great for both the Soviet and US military complexes and, of course, the big Bankers. The fact is despite the proliferation of nukes and conventional weaponry the mighty old Soviet Union disintergrated and Russia today only serves as the much needed Big Bad Guy (beside the Terrorists) so that the corrupt (big) governments may continue squandering nations resources and poor taxpayers money. Please read up on how Nuclear technology was leaked to the Soviets by the US and read between the lines and ask yourself some probing questions.

Coming back to regional history, Bangladesh was never invaded by India or China. It was Pakistani military who invaded Bangladesh, committed genocide and rape on mass scale. Pakistan still owes us an official apology. The fact is Pak government and army has committed historical crimes and blunders and continues to do so till this day. Pak publics are duped and oblivious to this. They must realize that their goverment and the army isn't a benevolent one. In fact, it is one of the most corrupt in the world. You guys really need to wake up. This isn't meant to be Pak bash post but your country is in a mess. I sincerely hope Pak public will forgo their arm fetishes and instead hold their army and government responsible for current mess and instability.

The future is not built on an Arms Race. If Libya and Iraq (or Soviet) with all their petro-dollars and advanced infrastructures couldn't survive the International Mafia, I'm sure Bangladesh or Pakistan will not either. The future belongs to making regional political and economical treaties with China and India. There are only mutual benefits in this. China and India are both old high civilisations and knows very well what will bring their nations stability, peace and prosperity. India -with all her modern problems and shortcomings -shouldn't be automatically seen as a foe. We have so much cultural and historical commonalities. We must remind India about her glorious history, tradition and culture and the danger of the current unholy alliance with the NWO for short term benefits (traditional Indian culture is crumbling fast). We should cooperate with each other for our mutual benefits and not be antagonistic towards each other. A reasonable mind should be able to grasp this without much difficulties.

brother, as you have assumed yourself here that i dont know about the history of cold war / US or Soviet era. thn whatever i tell you here, its not worth of your time.

secondly, i am happy you got independence from pakistan, i wish you best of luck in future with your friendly and loving neighbouring countries. becoz pakistan isnt in your neighbour so you shouldnt be worried about pakistan .

your country, your rule. its upto your govt or army whatever they want to do with it.
you dont want to bash my country, fine. but even if you or someone want to bash my country thn its your choice. i was expecting it, the bangladesh war 71 and all, and i know i will face it in every thread i will create. i know each and every bangladeshi member will remind me about 71 war whether its a thread topic or not.

I have just created this thread to congratulate the bangladeshi countrymen/army to get thre first ever Submarine in the history of Bangladesh army.

pakistan's policy is alway Minimum Credible Deterrence for the country, and thats whats our goal regarding defence.
about economy thn one should read bloomberg reports about pakistan economy from last couple of years.

economic growth is good thing. but one cant have economic growth without having a good and potent defence.

and someone should have told US about the Iraqi civilizations and culture before carpet bombing it.

[adamnsu]

IMO all I can say is some people must have made a fair bit of money.

What will we do with a submarine? Even Godzilla wont bother coming to our shores

[shoibboshach]

You're missing the point, Vixen. The US/Globalists don't have to carpet bomb Pakistan. The drones can and are killing many. Your nukes ain't gonna save you if THEY decide to come after you like they did against Iraq or Libya. Eventually, they WILL come after you. Once, you have served their geo-political agenda and have nothing else to offer. They can/will sanction you. They will take you down in stages. They have already helped creating the Pakistani Taliban and they will exploit your internal tribal and regional skirmishes. They will use your intelligence, base and army and will discard you when the utility is over. Believe you me US or Nato are not your allies. Also, don't be deluded with your military "prowess".

I am not a Pak hater but you see your attitude towards the 1971 Liberation war is a typical one of many Pakistani. You still think Bangladesh was your Lebensraum and you have not committed any crime. You must learn to see from different perspective and have a good knowledge of history. It is a gross ignorance when people don't acknowledge their mistakes nor learn from it. You think we have no reason to remind you about '71 -especially when you talk about borders and invading neighbours! You cannot blame India for everything. There is a rogue element to India no doubt but I am thinking of great many decent Indian people who are not natural enemy of Bangladesh or Pakistan. I think you're too involved in India-Pakistan identity politics. I find it futile. The subcontinental people must unite -not necessarily geographically- despite our religious or linguistic differences. We were united once and we can be again. We need to have the right will and a vision.

Back to topic, I thank you for your congratulations but I don't agree with wasting resources for futile competitions, reasons or fetishes.