Test Playing Teams Weak Against Spin

[alibangali]

Hello Fellow Brothers and Sisters

Apart from West Indies who else do you think is weak against good spin bowling?
Please state your reasons and any performances that demonstrate it.

I think England is weak against spin. This is because the pitches in england our pacer friendly and thus most top bowlers that come through are pacers. they do have some spin bowlers to practice against however these spinners do not compare to that of the subcontinent (in my opinion).

A strong example of this was displayed against us in 2007 WC when if our batting was better we would have beaten them. There are numerous examples when their batsmen were outfoxed by the indian spinners.

For this weakness they are avoiding playing as much as possible espicially on slow and turning pitches making silly excuses. I cant remember the last time we played them in an ODI apart from WC 2007.

[bangla-red]

2005 in the Natwest Tri-Series, and 2003 in BD.

New Zealand... we should target them, they are just above West Indies, and we can beat them if Oram retires from Tests...

[alibangali]

Originally Posted by bangla-red
2005 in the Natwest Tri-Series, and 2003 in BD.

New Zealand... we should target them, they are just above West Indies, and we can beat them if Oram retires from Tests...

New Zealand do have some strong hitters like Ross Taylor, Brendon McCullum and Jessie Ryder. I do recall they recently played very well against the Indian spinners in New Zealand but may be the conditions were not suited to spin bowling.

I do agree though that we have a very good chance of winning against them in both ODI's and Tests.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by alibangali
New Zealand do have some strong hitters like Ross Taylor, Brendon McCullum and Jessie Ryder. I do recall they recently played very well against the Indian spinners in New Zealand but may be the conditions were not suited to spin bowling.

I do agree though that we have a very good chance of winning against them in both ODI's and Tests.

So does Gayle, Sarwan, Chandurpaul, Bravo, Bravo's brother. They made Panesar cry!!

[WarWolf]

Any test playing country should struggle against our spin attack in favorable condition.

[abz..+]

i think we can trouble south africa in our home codition

[beshideshi]

SA used to be pretty weak against spin, but now they are up for it. And they play spin as well as anybody. Besides Windies I think NZ hanlde spin worst, that's probably why they struggle in India/BD. England play spin pretty well[especially in England] I dont think any other team has weakness against spin. But weakness against pace??? 1. Bangladesh probably India and Pakistan too[in aussie or english condition]

[alibangali]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
So does Gayle, Sarwan, Chandurpaul, Bravo, Bravo's brother. They made Panesar cry!!

i dont rate him highly but the players you mentioned espically sarwan and chanderpaul are good players of spin. Gayle is inconsistent but on his day even an edge can go for a six

[Akib]

Originally Posted by WarWolf
Any test playing country should struggle against our spin attack in favorable condition.

Not if we use the strategy we used against WI. Constant use of spin won't get us anywhere. I know its our strength but we need to improve our pace attack.


Also, I don't think the main WI team is that bad against spin. Just this bunch of players.

[alibangali]

i dont think any test playing team is that bad playing spin but generally some teams are weak against a specific type of bowling.

For us its pace bowling.

[alibangali]

Originally Posted by Akib
Also, I don't think the main WI team is that bad against spin. Just this bunch of players.

Except for Gayle, Sarwan and Chanderpaul i dont think anyone else is good at playing good spin bowling. even the commentators said that WI's players are weak against spin. they are weak against their own mediocre spin bowlers. They also said that these mediocre spin bowlers are top wicket takers in domestic competitions.

[betaar]

This thread is two folds…..

There are a quite few test teams that are comparatively weaker playing spins than pace bowling because of the nature of the wickets they play in….but whether we can beat them because we have 3-4 spinners in our stock begs argument.

BD definitely relies on spinners because of lack of good fast bowlers who can take wickets in test…even Mash is a novice when it comes to be a penetrative wicket taking bowler. So we have no option but to depend on our spinners. But most of our spinners, to be honest, are not wicket taking bowlers, other than Shakib and Enamul, in tests……they are more of a one day bowlers who could be difficult to put away for runs. Just because bowlers like Riyadh and Naeem took wickets against the weak WI batsmen doesn’t mean now all of a sudden we are a great nation of spin bowling.

And winning test using just spinners against any other team is not going to be as easy……we could gain an upper hand because of spinners but remember, we have to bat too against their pace bowlers….and knowing the limitation of our batsmen against pace bowling….I will leave that to our previous records and to your imagination.

[Eshen]

Our own batsmen generally don't do that well against quality spinners either.

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally Posted by Eshen
Our own batsmen generally don't do that well against quality spinners either.

Or quality pacers either. We suck.

[AsifTheManRahman]

It's important to note that our spinners leave a lot to be desired, more so in test matches. Razzak's an ODI specialist in the process of making a comeback, Riyad and Nayeem are untested against better opponents (need a sizable sample of matches before judging them), Enam's just alright, Rubel's still on probation and Rafique has retired.

Only Shak is test class and proven to be ODI class. Razzak was proven, until he got banned, so we'll see how things go.

[alibangali]

Originally Posted by betaar
This thread is two folds…..

There are a quite few test teams that are comparatively weaker playing spins than pace bowling because of the nature of the wickets they play in….but whether we can beat them because we have 3-4 spinners in our stock begs argument.

BD definitely relies on spinners because of lack of good fast bowlers who can take wickets in test…even Mash is a novice when it comes to be a penetrative wicket taking bowler. So we have no option but to depend on our spinners. But most of our spinners, to be honest, are not wicket taking bowlers, other than Shakib and Enamul, in tests……they are more of a one day bowlers who could be difficult to put away for runs. Just because bowlers like Riyadh and Naeem took wickets against the weak WI batsmen doesn’t mean now all of a sudden we are a great nation of spin bowling.

And winning test using just spinners against any other team is not going to be as easy……we could gain an upper hand because of spinners but remember, we have to bat too against their pace bowlers….and knowing the limitation of our batsmen against pace bowling….I will leave that to our previous records and to your imagination.

Valid points and i agree unless we improve our pace bowling, one dimensional spin bowling in itself will not win us matches (even against teams that have difficulty playing spin).

However if spin is a strong point of our team then we need to help these bowlers develop in to world class level.

[alibangali]

Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
Or quality pacers either. We suck.

I feel (generally) our poor batting against pacers is due to technique and skill deficiencies but against spin its poor application and temperament.

Our batting needs to be improved in all levels full stop.

Is it impossible to create a pitch with pace and bounce in bd (even in some remote location near the himalayas where its cooler )due to the climate or is it because we either choose not to or dont have a curator that can??

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally Posted by alibangali
I feel (generally) our poor batting against pacers is due to technique and skill deficiencies but against spin its poor application and temperament.

You're right about skill deficiencies, but I've always thought technique is overrated. Granted, you need to know the basics to survive in international cricket, but there are many instances where people have been successful with ugly techniques. What some lack in technique they make up for with hand-eye coordination and in general - as you rightly pointed out - skill.

Again, it all boils down to our domestic cricket being crap. As we improve as a cricketing nation, so will the quality of our domestic bowlers (pacers and spinners alike) and so will the batsmen.

[Ajfar]

Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
Or quality pacers either. We suck.

you don't have to be a quality bowler to get BD batsman out

[alibangali]

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