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June 16, 2005, 10:58 AM
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Nazmul is not good enough...never will be
Now that I have seen his bowling...he is not a genuine pacer. He doesn't have the physique nor the strength nor the flair to ever become a threat to any good batsman in international cricket. Whether he is 17 years old or 28.
These bowlers shouldn't even be considered for the inernational team. They should play in the domestic leagues to entertain the local crowd.
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June 16, 2005, 11:05 AM
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Be easy on him Webmaster, everyone is getting smacked in this match.
Nazmul played too few matches to be judged how good he is, also too young to be called a looser. But, obviously he needs to build up some muscle.
Anyway, you don't need to be express to bother Test class batsmen, as McGrath has shown for years.
Edited on, June 16, 2005, 4:08 PM GMT, by TheWatcher.
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June 16, 2005, 11:12 AM
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mr know-it-all....if nazmul's not good enough in your esteemed opinion who is? nazmul has consistently performed in the ODIs for bangladesh. he has a long way to go but he definately has potential...if not as a test bowler then at least in the ODIs!
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June 16, 2005, 11:14 AM
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Thanks god, you were not in the stadium, else you'd go on to say about others too
They should stop your feed by now or repeat a previous winning match for your eyes only
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June 16, 2005, 11:19 AM
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So Nazmul is no good for a team like BD after one ODI in England. This may be because of
Great Performances by:
Shahadat Hossain Rajib
Talha Jubair
Anwar Hossain Monir
Khaled Mahmud
And an Improved Performance by:
Rafique and
Tapash
So far!
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June 16, 2005, 11:29 AM
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I am comparing Nazmul's abilities against the world standard, not his team mates. And he is nowhere near it.
There have to be better bowlers in BD than this. You do not build fast bowlers. You pick bowlers with already good genes and then fix the kinks. Nazmul just doesn't have the genes.
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June 16, 2005, 11:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Arnab
There have to be better bowlers in BD than this.
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Who? Hasibul Hossain Shanto? Alamgir Kabir? Mohammad Shahzada?
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June 16, 2005, 11:33 AM
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Nazmul should not open the bowling. He is at his best when he bowls at no. 3. Masree and Taposh should open the bowling.
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June 16, 2005, 11:38 AM
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lol...absurd point. if you wanted to pick players according to world standand we would come to the field with 2 players....masri and mashud. the simple fact of the matter is nazmul is among the 3 best ODI bowler in the country right now. agreed that nazmul is not an express bowler, neither does he have the build or the height of a fast bowler. but he does bowl tightly and has the ability to swing the ball.this is a belter of a pitch and judging nazmul by this one performance is exptremely unfair on the young lad. stop baying for blood of players after every game!
Edited on, June 16, 2005, 4:39 PM GMT, by roaring tigerz.
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June 16, 2005, 11:45 AM
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Tigerz....do you really think anyone performed well in the field at all today to earn any praise?
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June 16, 2005, 11:49 AM
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nazmul had one bad game...i suspect that our bowlers will be getting smacked all around the country for the next 5 matches.
this series is proving that under these conditions we are thoroughly outclassed by even newbie bowlers. nothing to be ashamed about , really. at present we can't compete here.
in the subcontinent, i think we have the ability to compete against most test nations.
and something should be done about ash...he IS the most talented batsmen we have, and among the most talented in the world. but he repeatedly gets out to out-swingers which he tries to defend. no stupidity, just inability.
we need to correct the problem ASAP, otherwise he might as well be called mohammad trashraful.
btw, aftab is 100% USDA pure class.
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June 16, 2005, 11:49 AM
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June 16, 2005, 11:50 AM
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if you wanted to pick players according to world standand we would come to the field with 2 players....masri and mashud.
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I would add Aftab to that. So, three world class players. Actually, two and a half. Masud's half world class.
Although my comment is coming off the heels of a lost match, but then again, ALL my comments would have come off a lost match in this series anyway. So, my observation has nothing to do with this partiicular loss.
My point is if this is what we have to offer for a fast bowler at the world stage, we will keep losing. It seems that we have a large population, but either a dearth of people with good genes or some incompetent selectors who can't pick up players with good genes.
Mashrafe has good genes. He is a rough diamond that can be shaped to shine.
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June 16, 2005, 11:52 AM
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Nazmul is better than what we have got right now.......so he is playing..........but i agree he is not international level........but in ODIs........he is the best 3/4 bowlers that we have now.
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June 16, 2005, 11:52 AM
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Today our bowlers were worse than any clunb level bowlers!!
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June 16, 2005, 11:53 AM
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I said many times BD needs a bowling coach who can help pacers to adapt to English conditions. None of our pacers are bowling at their best.
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June 16, 2005, 11:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Arnab
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if you wanted to pick players according to world standand we would come to the field with 2 players....masri and mashud.
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I would add Aftab to that. So, three world class players. Actually, two and a half. Masud's half world class
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you can add Rafique and Bashar in the "half world class" list.
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June 16, 2005, 12:02 PM
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I agree with Arnab. I have always said, Nazmul does not have the height or pace to trouble top class batsman, and on a good wicket like the one they played on today, he will get hammered no matter what he does.
Someone mentioned McGrath in connection with not needing pace to trouble world class players. Kar shathey kar tulona!! McGrath bowls at about 82-83 as opposed to Nazmul's 74-75 and has a one foot height advantage, which McGrath uses to full advantage. Nazmul is short and doesn't have a high arm action either. He has a bit of natural in-swing, out-swing to the left-handers, but at his pace, it won't get people out. So, the best he can hope for is to get the ball in exactly the right area. Everytime he errs just a little bit, he will get smacked.
Today, he erred way too much. I think he will improve from that, but generally, he is a nothing bowler and I really can't see him ever proving to be anything more than mediocre.
I don't want to hear people retorting by saying crap like, but who is better? This is not a comparison, its a comment on Nazmul. If we had anyone better, he would never have been anywhere near England in the first place.
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June 16, 2005, 12:09 PM
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Absolutely, Nazmul is no match for the conditions here although he did look good in WI.
For all those who has been asking "Who's better?", I have two words for you: Tapash Baisya. The gap b/w BD pacers after Masri and Tapash is a lot!
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June 16, 2005, 12:11 PM
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So scapegoat of today's match is Nazmul!!!
Who is next???
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June 16, 2005, 12:12 PM
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And yeah I agree with TheWatcher that we really do need a bowling coach for the english condition. We should have hired one specialist batting and bowling coach (temporary) for the english condition before the Test matches got underway.
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June 16, 2005, 12:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Arnab
I am comparing Nazmul's abilities against the world standard, not his team mates. And he is nowhere near it.
There have to be better bowlers in BD than this. You do not build fast bowlers. You pick bowlers with already good genes and then fix the kinks. Nazmul just doesn't have the genes.
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I have a question - How tall are these bowlers? None of the websites I visited gives about a player's physical attributes. Any idea?
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June 16, 2005, 12:17 PM
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Nazmul is not a scapegoat at all. After scoring just 190, the only question wass how long England will take to get the runs, so there is not question of a scapegoat! But you have to call a player what he is. Nazmul is what he is. Its not his fault that God didn't give him the height or the pace to play at this level. I agree with Ehsan, we should just stick to Mashrafe and Tapash no matter what form of cricket we play, where we play and who we play against. They are the best two we have.
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June 16, 2005, 12:21 PM
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Not going into the argument of 'who is better' - I'm feeling absolutely disappointed in Mashrafee.
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June 16, 2005, 12:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by NoboBarta
I have a question - How tall are these bowlers? None of the websites I visited gives about a player's physical attributes. Any idea?
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Nazmul is 5"7/5"8
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