Starting with a crippled team is never a good idea

[Spitfire_x86]

1. Golla must not play again. Starting from the England match. This is a realistic option and must happen for both short term and long term gain.

2. We can score 250 without any so called "solid" contribution from Golla. In the last match, we were never going to cross 200-220, only exceptional batting of Ash/Aftab/Mashrafee saved us.

3. Hablu should retire from ODIs after this World Cup. This is a realistic option and must happen for the greater good of our cricket.

(I never posted in any "sack Hablu" thread, but now I think we've had enough. Without Hablu in the ODI team, pathetic losers like Golla can never sneak into the team)

[cricman]

Spitty, get ready for Hablu and Golla lovers to Bash you but I concur with everything you wrote.

[BangladeshCricket]

Spitty on the spots..
but tell me who can replace those slots
all our players shine once in a blue moon
only one treatment for the failures take them straight to the salon
shave their head
and it might motivate them to go ahead

[Rubu]

More or less, I agree with you.

If JO was able to play 5 more overs against SA, we would have lost the game. One of the biggest reason we did so bad against NZ is that he played his usual innings, and everyone coming after him had clock ticking in their mind. So, agree 10000%, JO must not play ODI again. A completely off form SN is much better option for us. About test, we will wait and see, I'll just not decide now.

About Hablu, his captaincy sucks. period. As a batsman, he has shown good work time to time and I would not mind having him as a player when he is in good form. That means, not as captain as you cannot drop captain. He also adds experience to the team, so have him in the squad but not as captain.

Now a days, it is quite hard to win without posting 270+ score on a good pitch. We can never ever do that if JO opens. That is a negative and losing mentality from the beginning and need to stop. Who cares if we lose by 20 runs or 200 runs. A lose is a lose. The sooner selectors realizes it the better.

Talking about who to replace? JO or SN no problem there.

Hablu with Forhad/Rajin. Both can contribute with bat and adds the 6th bowler option.

[Tigers_eye]

Please, it is not Golla lover or hablu lover.

How in the earth we won against SA? sometimes thing does not work as planned. One must adjust and take different route to get the result. That is what has happened to BD team. Noone liked when JO was selected. But we have to live with it. Since they are playing the least you could do is not say anything rather than bashing. Pathetic thread.

Hublu had one vote. There were four others. two must have voted for Golla. So it is not all Hablu's decision alone.

[Rubu]

TE, we won against SA because the plan did not work! Because JO got out early, we won. As I said in earlier post, if he was able to play for 5 more overs, we would have lost the game.

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally Posted by Rubu
TE, we won against SA because the plan did not work! Because JO got out early, we won. As I said in earlier post, if he was able to play for 5 more overs, we would have lost the game.

Not only that, we didn't have the Ash/Aftab partnership or 70 runs in the last 7 overs in the plan either. Our middle/late order overachieved compared to their usual standard. With no Golla in the team, we will regularly have good chance of scoring 250 and if our middle order/late order enjoy such a good day we will get even more.

SN was dropped for not performing in 2 matches (those 20-20 slogfests don't count, these matches don't help a batsman if he's not in great form and we are a very poor 20-20 side anyway). It was said that some break would do him good. He had his break, now it's time to bring him back in the team.

[Mahir]

Originally Posted by Spitfire_x86
Not only that, we didn't have the Ash/Aftab partnership or 70 runs in the last 7 overs in the plan either.

This a good enough example of your endlessly and rather irritatingly negative mindset. It's almost like you never expect anything good from the BD team. It's one thing to be critical and an entirely different think to play your broken old record of pessimism.

Having said that, Javed is not the answer, from a long-term point of view, towards having a stable opening partnership. Bashar needs to step down from the ODI team after the WC (maybe the India series is a more realistic target considering how things really work out there), and that is what I myself have said a few times already. So there's nothing to disagree with the essential idea in your post.

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally Posted by Mahir
This a good enough example of your endlessly and rather irritatingly negative mindset. It's almost like you never expect anything good from the BD team. It's one thing to be critical and an entirely different think to play your broken old record of pessimism.

Records and laws of probability supports my view.

Anyway, I don't think you can deny that our middle order/lower order did their best in that match. If the planning revolves around always expecting the best from middle order/lower order (no plan A, plan B), then the planning is not right. And our middle order is definitely not the #1 in the world.

[Mahir]

Originally Posted by Spitfire_x86
If the planning revolves around always expecting the best from middle order/lower order (no plan A, plan B), then the planning is not right. And our middle order is definitely not the #1 in the world.

Ofcourse our middle order isnt the best in the world. Not even top 3/4 if you ask me. But what we can easily believe in is the fact that it has the potential to produce, and when they do, I dont see why we have to call that over-achievement.

Any team in the world has it in their planning to have some part of their batting lineup click to post a defendable total if batting first, and to chase down a score if batting second. If things always went to the plan, then that team would have won every single match they play!

[Mahir]

Originally Posted by Spitfire_x86
Records and laws of probability supports my view.

In that case, anything that was once bad, will never have the inspiration to do better in the future, since their past 'record' would indicate similar future outcome, regardless of any hint of development that may have taken place to make the future better.

It doesnt work that way Spitty.

[Tigers_eye]

Wrong! The plan was to have SN bat like the savior. and that did not work. Only then Golla got a chance. Kick SN for making room for JO.

[BangladeshCricket]

Eng will do extremely good just because of few of their inform batsmen...also there seamers are doing great job so far. Most of the people knew before if 4 teams go to semi Eng may be one of them unless otherwise SA slips out or SL gets eliminated.

The big problem will be how we can limit our limitations. It's too late but still whatever we have we have to use it in a such a way that we can turn around the result in our favor. So far, that win will make selectors, coach everybody stick with the same team!! I hope they realize that not all teams are same Aus,NZ, Eng play diff cricket than SA. you guys tell me how successful oru spin trio attack against all teams in WC?

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by BangladeshCricket
The big problem will be how we can limit our limitations.

I think you are right, if you want to limit our limitations, it will be a BIG problem.
I think it will be much smaller problem if we try to break our self imposed limitation. i.e. stop thinking that we need a ball killer (as well as run killer) opener to build a innings. If you can't score runs even with 1s and 2s then you don't build anything... just waste an opportunity to win.

[cricket_dorshok]

Originally Posted by Fazal
I think it will be much smaller problem if we try to break our self imposed limitation. i.e. stop thinking that we need a ball killer (as well as run killer) opener to build a innings. If you can't score runs even with 1s and 2s then you don't build anything... just waste an opportunity to win.

ditto

[cricman]

Lemme Ask 1 question, If Hablu wins the toss He's gonna send England to Bat (Thank God no more Tresco) and if they manage to score 275+ do you want Javed Omar opening, sans bashar giving the other 9 players a heck of alot of pressure?

I've seen it with my own eyes Sakib and Mushy have issues dealing with high RRR. They first try to consolidate by playing out a few over with out attacking and after X amount of balls they hit the ball too hard or slash the ball right to a fielder. Ash and Aftab are the only 2 that can rotate strike when theres a high RRR and there gonna bat at 5 and 6 how you gonna chase a RRR of 7.5 when your 5 down with 25 overs to go

[akabir77]

Faltu thread thank god Bd selection doesn't happen reading these stuff.

[cricman]

Originally Posted by akabir77
Faltu thread thank god Bd selection doesn't happen reading these stuff.

Too Bad they usually do , in my hearts of hearts i believe Ash and SN were dropped at there selective times because of pressure created by BC. Faruq where are you just come out wherever you are and give me a u2u and it'll be our little secret.

[allrounder]

Losing wickets early is a big concern for Bangladesh, because right from the beginning we are put under pressure and we keep losing wickets on a regular interval. Our batsmen are not great against quality swing and spin.

[Hatebreed]

You are beating the same drum again. JO played in the previous match as SN needed a break amidst his poor form. JO saw off the first 10 overs against SA while Tamim went for shots, and it went well. SN could be out cheaply and we'd be 1 down for 20.

Anyway, there's a good chance SN will play against England, so hold your horses.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by Hatebreed
...Anyway, there's a good chance SN will play against England, so hold your horses.

We all hope he does and stays in the wicket till the 15 over no matter what runs he have. That would take care of things.

Spitty,
I understand your concern. To a degree it is a concern for everyone including me. But there are two evils. 1. losing early wickets and the flood gate opens within the powerplay. or 2. very slow RR. Obviously, for any coach and admin they would choose the 2nd. The lesser of the two evil.

[BANFAN]

Point is who replaces JO & Hablu

JO - A moving snail is better than a dead tiger
Hablu - Nai Mamar cheye kana mama Bhao

[kalpurush]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
Point is who replaces JO & Hablu

JO - A moving snail is better than a dead tiger
Hablu - Nai Mamar cheye kana mama Bhao

- Bagh bagh-e....pocha shamuk-a pa katey ebong durghondho choray.
- Prochur mama achey BD-tey...kana mama'r proiojon nai.
-!!

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by kalpurush
- Bagh bagh-e....pocha shamuk-a pa katey ebong durghondho choray.
- Prochur mama achey BD-tey...kana mama'r proiojon nai.
-!!

Bhai, Mora Bagh eo gondho choraye
Habluke baad die aar ekjon mamar nam koren na...

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by kalpurush
- Bagh bagh-e....pocha shamuk-a pa katey ebong durghondho choray.
- Prochur mama achey BD-tey...kana mama'r proiojon nai.
-!!

Do you smell something?? I do.

This thread is a perfect example of how to criple a winning team.